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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: TheBigShow
Oh no! One of the most disgraced posters on Bungie.net! What a travesty! How can he even show his face after being designated the most disgraced poster on the Bungie.net!? I don’t think a finer collection of intelligent, witty, and eloquent people exists. Gah! What a disgrace, nothing he says should even be considered now!


Pretty much. He's a tool. One who made a promise that he was done with this website dozens of times and has yet to live up to that promise. Although most of his posts are pretty hilarious so at least he has that going for him.

A poll is not automatically discredited due to its creator. There was no bias in the options, it was a simple yes or no poll; no one was being coerced into voting one way or the other. Just because you disagree with the results doesn't mean the poll is pointless.

I'm far less likely to participate in a thread/poll if it's made by DanBauer. As are a lot of people. I've seen subsequent threads after (some with polls) that asked the same question with very different results. But then again, it still doesn't matter a bit.

Is it 100% definitive and exact? No, of course not, but it was the largest poll we've had on the subject, and the results spoke quite clearly. I'm sure you and your friends sat back and laughed about it and those results are much more viable. But to those of us who are actually interested in having an intelligent discussion on the subject, we’re more into actual numbers.

It was a biased poll. If he wanted an unbiased poll he would have keep his dim-witted opinion to himself on it and just put the poll options out there. Let alone the fact that his name alone makes a poll biased. Go back through this thread and count how many unique posters have said that either the spread is fine or that they prefer it this way. Go ahead. I already know the results. But I guess since it's not in a convenient "poll" form it changes the fact of how many people have said it's fine.


"You've seen far more people agree that that current BR is either "fine" or they like the fact that there is a spread on it." Seriously? You're going to use that as an argument right after you attempt to discredit an actual tally, in the form of a poll, on the subject? Your biased guesstimate on the opinions of 114 pages worth of posts is somehow more legitimate thatnan actual recorded number? That’s amazing.

How about this: I'VE seen far more people agree that the current BR is not fine!

ZOMG!! What are we going to do now!?!?!?! We have quite the conundrum!
How about we refer to the poll that physically recorded people’s yes or no votes in an unbiased manner? The poll that showed roughly 66% for a tightened BR spread and 33% against.


My opinion is biased because I can look back and see what people are saying? Okay, that makes sense. Prove me wrong BigShow. Go back and tabulate who's saying what. Prove me wrong. But you can't because you don't have the numbers. And you know it. Count the unique people in this thread that has commented and see who's "winning". But as I've been saying, that proves just as much as that poll did. Which to be clear is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It's not representative of anything and it's inherently biased. Which was my point from the beginning.


And you keep trying to say that you aren't, yet continue to show your ignorance with each post you make. Actions speak louder than words, as they say. So instead of dressing up your posts with fluffy language and attempting to appear above it all, how about you show me that you're not ignorant with something substantiative?


Again, BigShow, prove me wrong on this. Go back through this thread and see how many unique posters are saying what. I did it with the first 50 pages and it's not even close. But I'm biased right. So how about you do it? Prove me wrong. Go ahead. I'll wait.

~B.B.
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  • 01.03.2009 2:27 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
Posted by: Sacred Thorn
my opinion on the Battle Rifle? Best weapon ever. I mean Sniper Rifle and Rocket is good, but BR just out-pwns them.
Then you play lone wolves and try to br and get shot about 50 times by everyone else using an ar.
This is just some kid saying "OMGz BR PWNS ALL." However, you saying that BRing in LWs will get you AR'd 50 times is even more ignorant. OK, sorry. I lost it for a second. I didn't mean to call you ignorant. But, I will take my BR killing spree, while stealing all the kills and performing the noobish Grenade+Headshot spray combo, any day over the AR. The BR is the weapon to have when fighting AR users. The only benefit of an AR that a BR doesn't give you is that you can cheaply do a double beatdown when someone that spawns right on top of you comes recklessly down to melee you.
Reason why your a colonel grade 3..........
[sarcasm]
You're absolutely right. I have no business pointing out the obvious, cause I'm a colonel grade 3. Your 45 after 2541 ranked games is SOOO much better than my 43 after 608 games.
[/sarcasm]

If you haven't noticed, rank is not a good assessment of skill. Halo 3 has been dumbed down and lacks a good skill gap. An example of this is someone who has a rank in the mid-40s with Melee as their ToD. That should never happen in ranked.

I think you may have already used my rank as a reason why you disagree in a early post. I could be wrong, though. Next time, when you disagree make an intelligent reply.

Now that I've probably pissed you off more, I think I'll add another FACT. The BR is better than the AR, ESPECIALLY in FFAs. Kill Stealing? Yes. Easier? Yes. Of course, there are times to use the AR, but if you have grenades and a BR, you are just gonna noob your way to a victory.

[sarcasm]
Yep. I'm a colonel grade 3. That means I suck and know nothing about the Halo Series. Ignore everything I say.
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[Edited on 01.03.2009 2:38 PM PST]

  • 01.03.2009 2:37 PM PDT
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they hate it because it swat the spread ruins that game it can have a spread bullet move all the way across the room and hit 2 people also it kinda makes it weaker but i really dont mind i still can 4shot

  • 01.03.2009 2:39 PM PDT
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The BR is fine. The spread simulates the way a real gun acts. Plus the 4 shot is extremely helpful in BR battles.

  • 01.04.2009 4:22 AM PDT
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I've actually gotten a triple kill with one spray in SWAT (46)
I get the double with one shot quite often.

  • 01.04.2009 4:23 AM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: STAFFCAPoCOM
I've actually gotten a triple kill with one spray in SWAT (46)
I get the double with one shot quite often.
Didn't you just say the "BR is fine"? Now, you give a reason why the BR isn't fine. I can't believe that someone would want a weapon that lacks precision and skill. The BR is too easy, just like you explained. What's wrong with a weapon where headshots would be challenging? Maybe "easy" is the way to go, since so many people have fun "noobing" people to death (Ex: PP+BR combo from Halo 2. Although, that actually ruined gameplay). Either way, why are you limiting the weapon to "fine"? Don't you want the game and weapons to be beyond "fine"?

  • 01.04.2009 10:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: STAFFCAPoCOM
I've actually gotten a triple kill with one spray in SWAT (46)
I get the double with one shot quite often.
Didn't you just say the "BR is fine"? Now, you give a reason why the BR isn't fine. I can't believe that someone would want a weapon that lacks precision and skill. The BR is too easy, just like you explained. What's wrong with a weapon where headshots would be challenging? Maybe "easy" is the way to go, since so many people have fun "noobing" people to death (Ex: PP+BR combo from Halo 2. Although, that actually ruined gameplay). Either way, why are you limiting the weapon to "fine"? Don't you want the game and weapons to be beyond "fine"?

let him figure this out through the MLG Playlist, if he can play it :)

  • 01.04.2009 10:31 AM PDT

Posted by: STAFFCAPoCOM
The BR is fine. The spread simulates the way a real gun acts. Plus the 4 shot is extremely helpful in BR battles.


master chief flips tanks, you would think he could control a puny rifle.

  • 01.04.2009 11:44 AM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
-- Direct Control, BAMF

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Posted by: STAFFCAPoCOM
The BR is fine. The spread simulates the way a real gun acts. Plus the 4 shot is extremely helpful in BR battles.


master chief flips tanks, you would think he could control a puny rifle.

How can somebody control bullets once they have left the gun??

  • 01.04.2009 6:41 PM PDT

Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: xl soulburn lx
Posted by: STAFFCAPoCOM
The BR is fine. The spread simulates the way a real gun acts. Plus the 4 shot is extremely helpful in BR battles.


master chief flips tanks, you would think he could control a puny rifle.

How can somebody control bullets once they have left the gun??
...aim?

  • 01.05.2009 6:33 AM PDT

Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: xl soulburn lx
Posted by: STAFFCAPoCOM
The BR is fine. The spread simulates the way a real gun acts. Plus the 4 shot is extremely helpful in BR battles.


master chief flips tanks, you would think he could control a puny rifle.

How can somebody control bullets once they have left the gun??


I think what he is trying to say is that Master Chief would be able to control the recoil, which in real life I believe would be the primary cause of the spread. The first bullet is the most accurate therefore the inaccuracy of this bullet accounts for any factors other than recoil.

[Edited on 01.05.2009 7:42 AM PST]

  • 01.05.2009 7:41 AM PDT

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Here BigShow, I'll start you off. The first 10 pages has a break-down like this:

Likes or indifferent with current H3 BR: 70

Dislikes and wants changes to current H3 BR: 31
For having read so much of this thread, I'm surprised to see you citing the opinions of people posting here as viable data. 95% of the posts made here are completely uninformed. Most don't even try to address the question of the BR spread, and are instead comments of "AR over BR" and other such irrelevant statments. At any rate, changes to the game shouldn't be made based on the number of people supporting them, nor should lack of support be a reason to not change something.

If you want the specific members I have marked down for each, I'll give you those. Do you want me to put it in a pie chart so it is "unbiased"? Any data gathered from this thread, or any other other thread on Bungie.net, is inevitably biased.

[Edited on 01.05.2009 8:39 AM PST]

  • 01.05.2009 8:37 AM PDT

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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Nokterne
Any data gathered from this thread, or any other other thread on Bungie.net, is inevitably biased.


Again...that was my point from the very beginning of that comment. The first 10 pages of this thread had around 101 unique people chiming in on specifically the BR spread. 70 supported it and 31 were against it. I'd imagine that trend would continue for the rest of this thread. And it still doesn't prove a damn thing. Or really indicate anything.

DanBauer's thread was biased by the way he wrote it. I very much doubt that the percentages of his poll would be the same if the same poll were run today. His poll was run before Bungie's explanation of how they built the BR mechanic in H3. It would have changed drastically when comparing before and after. Why that is BigShow touched on already. A lot of people on this forum have a pseudo-class bias. By which they often relegate their opinion to match that of the "authority" figure they identify with. On this website it's Bungie. On MLG's website it's MLG's.

Again, that was my point. A poll on B.net that is hardly representative of the overall Halo community/population smacks of statistical faults.

~B.B.

  • 01.05.2009 12:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
$.50 in store credit.

Bungie,
Thank you for the br spread. The other day it saved my life in swat twice.

The EAKLE

  • 01.05.2009 1:36 PM PDT

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wouldn't play halo without the br tbh
the assault rifle just doesn't do the job in most situations
and feeling of shooting someone in the face is great. thats not freaky right? XD

-krazy

  • 01.06.2009 4:25 AM PDT
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its simple i think every 1 knows the only people complaining about the BR are the noobs that cant take being owned by it

  • 01.06.2009 12:15 PM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
-- Direct Control, BAMF

Posted by: Nokterne
Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: xl soulburn lx
Posted by: STAFFCAPoCOM
The BR is fine. The spread simulates the way a real gun acts. Plus the 4 shot is extremely helpful in BR battles.


master chief flips tanks, you would think he could control a puny rifle.

How can somebody control bullets once they have left the gun??
...aim?

The bullets spread out after the leave the gun, how could aim control bullet spread? The only way it could be reduced is by reducing recoil, not better aim.

  • 01.06.2009 3:20 PM PDT

Greatest of all time

BR is fine.

Learn to play.

If you actually think the BR spread is the reason you don't play well, you're an idiot.

Jeez, scrubs these days.

  • 01.06.2009 3:40 PM PDT

Posted by: GIR091572
Posted by: mooshmoossh
I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.

I feel the same way


I feel the same too, BR > AR anyday.

  • 01.06.2009 5:54 PM PDT
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the br is a great gun, u just need to learn how to us it now, it takes skill

  • 01.06.2009 7:15 PM PDT

Posted by: nickyfour92
If you actually think the BR spread is the reason you don't play well, you're an idiot.
The complaints about the BR have nothing to do with individuals blaming it for their bad performance. The complaints are more about consistency and individual skill, and how the BR spread hurts these aspects of the game.

  • 01.06.2009 7:35 PM PDT

Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: Nokterne
Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: xl soulburn lx
Posted by: STAFFCAPoCOM
The BR is fine. The spread simulates the way a real gun acts. Plus the 4 shot is extremely helpful in BR battles.


master chief flips tanks, you would think he could control a puny rifle.

How can somebody control bullets once they have left the gun??
...aim?

The bullets spread out after the leave the gun, how could aim control bullet spread? The only way it could be reduced is by reducing recoil, not better aim.
You know that Halo isn't real right? And that real bullets aren't fired in the game? All the properties you apply to real life firearms don't apply here.

His question was, "How can somebody control bullets once they have left the gun?"

My (simplified and sarcastic) answer to him was that our only method of control to the trajectory of our bullets is aim. An increase in spread is therefore equivalent to a loss of control as to the in-game outcome created by our shots. I see this as a bad thing.

  • 01.06.2009 8:07 PM PDT
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It's a great all around gun. It may lack a bit at short range (I use 2 sensitivity) but thats what the AR is for. It cant be the gun of gods...

Incredibly accurate/amazing range. My preferred anti-sniper gun!

  • 01.06.2009 11:27 PM PDT
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The BR is So INCREDIBLY Overrated!

  • 01.07.2009 12:13 PM PDT

Greatest of all time

Posted by: Nokterne
Posted by: nickyfour92
If you actually think the BR spread is the reason you don't play well, you're an idiot.
The complaints about the BR have nothing to do with individuals blaming it for their bad performance. The complaints are more about consistency and individual skill, and how the BR spread hurts these aspects of the game.


Keep complaining then if that is what you think.

  • 01.07.2009 12:50 PM PDT