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the br is the perfect mid range wepon thats what it is a MID RANGE Wepon i see people all the time trying to use it as a long range or short range wepon going against an ar in short range combat isnt smart the br is perfect for what its supposed to be used for thanx bungie for an awesome wepon

  • 01.07.2009 3:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: bleednbuckeye
the br is the perfect mid range wepon thats what it is a MID RANGE Wepon i see people all the time trying to use it as a long range or short range wepon going against an ar in short range combat isnt smart the br is perfect for what its supposed to be used for thanx bungie for an awesome wepon
Well, the Manual and Specs of the Battle Rifle will say otherwise. It clearly states that it is a Mid to Long range weapon. That's fine that it is working how Bungie intended and how you like it, but they should at least update their Specs on the weapon so people don't get false information on its intended and effective range.

The Specs of the BR should also state that it uses a random number generator at an attempt to imitate real life bullet trajectory due to recoil (assuming that's why it's there). I'm sure it's just there, because...umm...actually there is no reason, other than maybe it makes things interesting and unpredictable. An unpredictable game with unpredictable results...that sounds like fun. I would say that the AI in campaign is more predictable than the weapons.

As for close range use, the BR is much more effective than the AR when coupled with Grenades. For example, if I know there is someone camping with a Sword or a Shotgun, I have no fear to just Grenade their ass and run in there and Headshot them. I would never do that with an AR. So, now you know why people may use the BR at close range, because it gives you easy kills with Grenades and it is more effective at Mid-range (which, btw, is the range that most of the fighting happens, along with long-range, considering the size of the maps).

I use the Magnum at close range. You know why? Because it gives me easy kills with grenades, and I can 5-shot AR users before they can kill me. Plus, it is an extremely useful Team weapon since it deals Headshots. So, now you know why people may use the Magnum at close range, because it gives you easy kills with Grenades and it is more effective at Mid-range. Now, of course, the M6G requires more of a Halo 1 style gamer that is good with precision.

Sorry, for all my punctuation. Hope you can read this. Not quite a run-on like yours.

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I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.

I feel the same way


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  • 01.07.2009 4:36 PM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
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Posted by: Nokterne
You know that Halo isn't real right? And that real bullets aren't fired in the game? All the properties you apply to real life firearms don't apply here.

His question was, "How can somebody control bullets once they have left the gun?"

My (simplified and sarcastic) answer to him was that our only method of control to the trajectory of our bullets is aim. An increase in spread is therefore equivalent to a loss of control as to the in-game outcome created by our shots. I see this as a bad thing.

I was the one that asked that question "How can somebody control bullets once they have left the gun?"

I figured you weren't being sarcastic, but we all know that all WE can do is aim.

  • 01.07.2009 4:43 PM PDT

LOOK OUT!!!.......ooh he's dead

i like the BR just the wayn it is but the only thing i wish was that it reloaded like the one in halo 2

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my opinion on the Battle Rifle? Best weapon ever. I mean Sniper Rifle and Rocket is good, but BR just out-pwns them.
Then you play lone wolves and try to br and get shot about 50 times by everyone else using an ar.
This is just some kid saying "OMGz BR PWNS ALL." However, you saying that BRing in LWs will get you AR'd 50 times is even more ignorant. OK, sorry. I lost it for a second. I didn't mean to call you ignorant. But, I will take my BR killing spree, while stealing all the kills and performing the noobish Grenade+Headshot spray combo, any day over the AR. The BR is the weapon to have when fighting AR users. The only benefit of an AR that a BR doesn't give you is that you can cheaply do a double beatdown when someone that spawns right on top of you comes recklessly down to melee you.
Reason why your a colonel grade 3..........
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You're absolutely right. I have no business pointing out the obvious, cause I'm a colonel grade 3. Your 45 after 2541 ranked games is SOOO much better than my 43 after 608 games.
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If you haven't noticed, rank is not a good assessment of skill. Halo 3 has been dumbed down and lacks a good skill gap. An example of this is someone who has a rank in the mid-40s with Melee as their ToD. That should never happen in ranked.

I think you may have already used my rank as a reason why you disagree in a early post. I could be wrong, though. Next time, when you disagree make an intelligent reply.

Now that I've probably pissed you off more, I think I'll add another FACT. The BR is better than the AR, ESPECIALLY in FFAs. Kill Stealing? Yes. Easier? Yes. Of course, there are times to use the AR, but if you have grenades and a BR, you are just gonna noob your way to a victory.

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Yep. I'm a colonel grade 3. That means I suck and know nothing about the Halo Series. Ignore everything I say.
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look at the games history got 41 lone wolfs then 41 doubles then got35 swat all in about 500 ranked games give or take 1-2 hundred then got 45 in doubles and got 2 of my friends 40 in doubles oh ya and another 42 in team slayer . that enough or want me to keep goin? you got 1 40 in 600 or so games? i got 4 of them in my 2000 or so ranked games not including team control and rbtb. and no im not pissed im sorta laughing at how much effort you put into this. I have no logic.

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one thing to say: BR is the new AR = its the new n00b weapon. your not pro your a follower

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BR should start in Team Doubles Objective.

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Posted by: MarcelSi12
one thing to say: BR is the new AR = its the new n00b weapon. your not pro your a follower



Have you even played Halo 3? You know what a BR is right? Doesn't sound like it.

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  • 01.08.2009 11:19 AM PDT

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Unfreakenbelievable!!

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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
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If you haven't noticed, rank is not a good assessment of skill. Halo 3 has been dumbed down and lacks a good skill gap. An example of this is someone who has a rank in the mid-40s with Melee as their ToD. That should never happen in ranked.

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look at the games history got 41 lone wolfs then 41 doubles then got35 swat all in about 500 ranked games give or take 1-2 hundred then got 45 in doubles and got 2 of my friends 40 in doubles oh ya and another 42 in team slayer . that enough or want me to keep goin? you got 1 40 in 600 or so games? i got 4 of them in my 2000 or so ranked games not including team control and rbtb. and no im not pissed im sorta laughing at how much effort you put into this. I have no logic.
You really should've stopped after your first run-on sentence like last night before you edited it.

I never said you're bad at Halo, and I'm still not gonna say it cause I haven't seen you play. The only way to tell if someone is good is by seeing them in action. Not some rank from a poor ranking system.

But, since you really want to get into it...let's start with the obvious. I'm a 43 in LWs and a 43 in Team Slayer after 600 games. I'm ranked in other playlists, too, but I won't include those. So, 600 games for 2 40s = 300 games each. OK, how about yours...4 40s after 2000 games = 500 games each. Hmmm, that's interesting. It's irrelevant and doesn't mean much, but it's interesting.

How about your win% (aka EXP efficiency)? Yours is 43.7% and mine is 66.2%. Your dealing with a Math/Engineering major. Your not going to win.

Another thing...Your highest rank is in Doubles, clearly the easiest playlist to rank up. And, you used your friend's low rank to boost up to a Brigadier. I'm by NO means saying you boosted. I'm just saying the ranking system allowed you to play easier competition. But, who really cares.

And, if you didn't notice, the bolded text above was talking about you. Same goes for your Brigadier friend that you Multi-team with, who has under a 1 K/D ratio with Melee has ToD. I think the only reason why you even have some BR kills in ranked is because you played the Swat playlist, which requires the lowest amount of effort (spray in the general direction for a random headshot), but who's to judge.

My whole initial point was that Rank means crap in Halo 3 and you were calling out my rank when you are only 2 ranks higher (wow, amazing). It doesn't declare someone as more skillful or knowledgeable of the Halo Series. What does? My 7+ years of playing every single Halo game that has come out.

Continue to get the last word in. I don't care. I won't reply, unless your thought process becomes a little more intelligent and a little more on topic.

Good thing Bungie doesn't read this thread, because this is WAAAAAY off topic. This discussion belongs in one of those pointless Rank=Skill threads.

Oh well, I will add something about the BR. Hmmm, how about something positive? It has a scope. There you go, but that was hard to think of something good to say about it.

EDIT: I bolded "a little more intelligent...," cause you obviously didn't comprehend or read anything I posted. Your replies below this post is of little intelligence.

[Edited on 01.08.2009 5:32 PM PST]

  • 01.08.2009 12:59 PM PDT

Posted by: bleednbuckeye
the br is the perfect mid range wepon thats what it is a MID RANGE Wepon i see people all the time trying to use it as a long range or short range wepon going against an ar in short range combat isnt smart the br is perfect for what its supposed to be used for thanx bungie for an awesome wepon


No one is confused as to what role the BR is intended to play. No one is confused as to what its most effective range is. We know that it is working by design. The point is that the design could be better. Slight adjustments would make the game play better over all and be more balanced.

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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
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If you haven't noticed, rank is not a good assessment of skill. Halo 3 has been dumbed down and lacks a good skill gap. An example of this is someone who has a rank in the mid-40s with Melee as their ToD. That should never happen in ranked.

......
look at the games history got 41 lone wolfs then 41 doubles then got35 swat all in about 500 ranked games give or take 1-2 hundred then got 45 in doubles and got 2 of my friends 40 in doubles oh ya and another 42 in team slayer . that enough or want me to keep goin? you got 1 40 in 600 or so games? i got 4 of them in my 2000 or so ranked games not including team control and rbtb. and no im not pissed im sorta laughing at how much effort you put into this. I have no logic.
You really should've stopped after your first run-on sentence like last night before you edited it.

I never said you're bad at Halo, and I'm still not gonna say it cause I haven't seen you play. The only way to tell if someone is good is by seeing them in action. Not some rank from a poor ranking system.

But, since you really want to get into it...let's start with the obvious. I'm a 43 in LWs and a 43 in Team Slayer after 600 games. I'm ranked in other playlists, too, but I won't include those. So, 600 games for 2 40s = 300 games each. OK, how about yours...4 40s after 2000 games = 500 games each. Hmmm, that's interesting. It's irrelevant and doesn't mean much, but it's interesting.

How about your win% (aka EXP efficiency)? Yours is 43.7% and mine is 66.2%. Your dealing with a Math/Engineering major. Your not going to win.

Another thing...Your highest rank is in Doubles, clearly the easiest playlist to rank up. And, you used your friend's low rank to boost up to a Brigadier. I'm by NO means saying you boosted. I'm just saying the ranking system allowed you to play easier competition. But, who really cares.

And, if you didn't notice, the bolded text above was talking about you. Same goes for your Brigadier friend that you Multi-team with, who has under a 1 K/D ratio with Melee has ToD. I think the only reason why you even have some BR kills in ranked is because you played the Swat playlist, which requires the lowest amount of effort (spray in the general direction for a random headshot), but who's to judge.

My whole initial point was that Rank means crap in Halo 3 and you were calling out my rank when you are only 2 ranks higher (wow, amazing). It doesn't declare someone as more skillful or knowledgeable of the Halo Series. What does? My 7+ years of playing every single Halo game that has come out.

Continue to get the last word in. I don't care. I won't reply, unless your thought process becomes a little more intelligent and a little more on topic.

Good thing Bungie doesn't read this thread, because this is WAAAAAY off topic. This discussion belongs in one of those pointless Rank=Skill threads.

Oh well, I will add something about the BR. Hmmm, how about something positive? It has a scope. There you go, but that was hard to think of something good to say about it.
Holy crap dude enough with the 3 page posts i read the first paragraph your wasting your time. If your not gonna pay me for putting periods then im not gona do it another thing look at my games history until you do that im not gonnna read anything else from you unless you look at that.

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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
[quote]Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
[quote]Posted by: Jiggly Luv
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[wow. so your in colledge majoring engineering and math which means fulltime student most likly with part time job. and the rest of your life you spend playing halo. btw i hate the br the only reason i have any kills with that gay ass thing is my friend likes swat..

  • 01.08.2009 4:50 PM PDT

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I like the battle rifle just the way it is.

I don't see whats wrong with it.

  • 01.08.2009 11:11 PM PDT

Because Bungie said so.....

The BR spread isnt even messe up...

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The BR spread is fine, the only people that complain about it, are the people who think it's a sniper.

Even so, it's easy to lead your shots when fighting long range.

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ok if you dont really use the br but if you do use it then you will see why it needs to be fixed.
the br has a spread which we all know but it needs to be fixed.
there is no real reason to change anything else just the spread.
for all the people who use it i think that is the only problem.

  • 01.10.2009 10:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Gazas
The BR spread is fine, the only people that complain about it, are the people who think it's a sniper.

Even so, it's easy to lead your shots when fighting long range.


lol I literally did facepalm on this one. The spread has nothing to do with having to lead, the speed of the bullet and the fact that you fire 3 bullets in a row per burst is why you lead. The spread makes outcomes in the game random, does not reward accurate players enough, does not penalise inaccurate players enough and makes head shots on shieldless opponents too easy.

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Posted by: Prodigy117
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The BR spread is fine, the only people that complain about it, are the people who think it's a sniper.

Even so, it's easy to lead your shots when fighting long range.


lol I literally did facepalm on this one. The spread has nothing to do with having to lead, the speed of the bullet and the fact that you fire 3 bullets in a row per burst is why you lead. The spread makes outcomes in the game random, does not reward accurate players enough, does not penalise inaccurate players enough and makes head shots on shieldless opponents too easy.
I may have misunderstood this. So the spread is just random?

EDIT: A facepalm? Well, whatever makes you feel better ;-)

[Edited on 01.12.2009 2:53 AM PST]

  • 01.12.2009 2:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Prodigy117
Posted by: Gazas
The BR spread is fine, the only people that complain about it, are the people who think it's a sniper.

Even so, it's easy to lead your shots when fighting long range.


lol I literally did facepalm on this one. The spread has nothing to do with having to lead, the speed of the bullet and the fact that you fire 3 bullets in a row per burst is why you lead. The spread makes outcomes in the game random, does not reward accurate players enough, does not penalise inaccurate players enough and makes head shots on shieldless opponents too easy.
I may have misunderstood this. So the spread is just random?

EDIT: A facepalm? Well, whatever makes you feel better ;-)


That literally was my reaction, so many people post when they don't properly understand what the problem is. I didn't mean it in an offensive way though.

The degree of spread is random within certain paramaters, so one time your burst might be very accurate and another quite inaccurate. The bullets leave the BR one after the other and do not reach the target immediately, this is why leading is necessary. For example if a player is strafing to the right in front of you, you may aim slightly infront of them and the bullets may hit right shoulder, chest and then left shoulder, this is a very simple example but this is why you lead. The spread and the randomness of it means that however perfectly you aim sometimes all 3 bullets will land sometimes just 1 depending on range. Even if there was no spread you would lead just the same.

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Posted by: Prodigy117
Posted by: Gazas
The BR spread is fine, the only people that complain about it, are the people who think it's a sniper.

Even so, it's easy to lead your shots when fighting long range.


lol I literally did facepalm on this one. The spread has nothing to do with having to lead, the speed of the bullet and the fact that you fire 3 bullets in a row per burst is why you lead. The spread makes outcomes in the game random, does not reward accurate players enough, does not penalise inaccurate players enough and makes head shots on shieldless opponents too easy.


I agree with Gazas. If your reticule is on the opponent and red and you are missing then you are too far away. Find yourself a Sniper.

Seriously, this is the reason the Halo 2 Sniper was so useless on large maps, the hit-scan eliminated the possibility of BR innacuracy at long range. The H2 BR was the unbalanced weapon, not the H3 BR.

[Edited on 01.14.2009 10:41 AM PST]

  • 01.12.2009 4:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gazas
The BR spread is fine, the only people that complain about it, are the people who think it's a sniper.

Even so, it's easy to lead your shots when fighting long range.


lol I literally did facepalm on this one. The spread has nothing to do with having to lead, the speed of the bullet and the fact that you fire 3 bullets in a row per burst is why you lead. The spread makes outcomes in the game random, does not reward accurate players enough, does not penalise inaccurate players enough and makes head shots on shieldless opponents too easy.


I agree with Gazas. If your reticule is on the opponent and red and you are missing then you are too far away. Find yourself a Sniper.

Seriously, this is the reason the Halo 2 Sniper was so useless, the hit-scan eliminated the possibility of BR innacuracy at long range. The H2 BR was the unbalanced weapon, not the H3 BR.


Yes the H2 sniper was really useless. /sarcasm - The most important weapon on several maps actually and hotly contested by good teams but obviously you just jump on the bandwagon like all the other people who have no idea what their talking about.

The spread comes into play at mid range and its not just a matter of what the result is when you have perfect accuracy. 2 players may both miss slightly but one gets a wider spread and gets the kill etc. etc. I see how this is so good for gameplay. I thought 45s would know a bit more about the game but clearly not.

Halo 2 is a poor game anyway in my opinion and is by far the worst of the 3. Halo 1 was and still is the best halo in all respects MP and Campaign. Take a look at the H1 pistol, this was a perfect weapon and balanced everything else in the game. It also took a lot of skill to use well and if you missed it was usually because you weren't accurate enough not because the game decided that the dice did not roll in your favour. Just because the H1 pistol could kill in 3 shots does not mean that players can consistently do that, there is no bullet auto-aim and you are only firing one bullet at a time. Headshots are not easy like halo 3.

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Posted by: Prodigy117
Yes the H2 sniper was really useless. /sarcasm - The most important weapon on several maps actually and hotly contested by good teams but obviously you just jump on the bandwagon like all the other people who have no idea what their talking about.


FYI, I was around when Halo 2 first got released. I played the original Halo prior to that and prior to that I played it for the PC. I have history behind me in Halo. Secondly, I have modded Halo 2 before and looked through the files for Halo 3 (good practice for in a few years time when I go into the industry but anyways) and I know the statistics built into the games as a result. I also have many hours of combat in-game and I know what the Sniper is like. Typically you'd begin on a large map, say Coagulation or Headlong, then you'd see a player grab the sniper and hide. He pops out to take a shot but oh no! He just got Team BRed by the other team from sniping distance.

I'm not saying that the Sniper was completely useless, I'm saying that the BRs were given far too much range.

Posted by: Prodigy117
The spread comes into play at mid range and its not just a matter of what the result is when you have perfect accuracy. 2 players may both miss slightly but one gets a wider spread and gets the kill etc. etc. I see how this is so good for gameplay. I thought 45s would know a bit more about the game but clearly not.


Have you ever played another game before or fired a real gun? The shot always comes off warped, even a Sniper isn't accurate beyond a certain distance. The BR is only meant for a maximum distance of across a small map from one side to the other such as across Guardian or Blackout. Any further means that you are not using the correct weapon for the job and thus are a bad player. A bad craftsman blame their tools you know.

And you still haven't realised it yet? Rank beyond level 40 means nothing. I was a Colonel Grade 3 until Christmas Day a few weeks ago. I never improved that much besides staying cooler in-game and I made my way to a Brigadier after a year of work (I got my Colonel around January last year). Many people would argue that there is a huge difference between Colonel Grade 3 level 44 and Brigadier 45 but I would say there is nothing. I had a few games where my friend got host and as a result I had no latency handicap, then I got a 45 out of it.

Posted by: Prodigy117
Halo 2 is a poor game anyway in my opinion and is by far the worst of the 3. Halo 1 was and still is the best halo in all respects MP and Campaign. Take a look at the H1 pistol, this was a perfect weapon and balanced everything else in the game. It also took a lot of skill to use well and if you missed it was usually because you weren't accurate enough not because the game decided that the dice did not roll in your favour. Just because the H1 pistol could kill in 3 shots does not mean that players can consistently do that, there is no bullet auto-aim and you are only firing one bullet at a time. Headshots are not easy like halo 3.


Each Halo game is superior to it's decendant if you look at the game from a competitive view. However I will agree that the Halo 1 Campaign felt the most epic but Halo 3's Campaign does have Co-Op...

The Halo 1 Pistol was a portable Mac-Cannon. lol

But seriously, the Halo 1 Pistol was rediculously overpowered. It was a miniature Sniper and is probably superior to the Halo 2 & 3 BRS (three shot and it fires faster). In Halo 3, dual wield pistols, there is a set of two lying side by side on pretty much every map. They kill in four shots and fire faster than a BR. Use those if you like the Pistol so much.

If you decide to use the BR though then remember, don't mash the trigger. It's a common mistake people make that they ram the trigger as hard and as fast as possible. Slow down the pace a little and time your shots, give a split second gap between each shot otherwise the kickback builds up and loses a lot of accuracy over a distance.

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Posted by: Prodigy117
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The BR spread is fine, the only people that complain about it, are the people who think it's a sniper.

Even so, it's easy to lead your shots when fighting long range.


lol I literally did facepalm on this one. The spread has nothing to do with having to lead, the speed of the bullet and the fact that you fire 3 bullets in a row per burst is why you lead. The spread makes outcomes in the game random, does not reward accurate players enough, does not penalise inaccurate players enough and makes head shots on shieldless opponents too easy.
I may have misunderstood this. So the spread is just random?

EDIT: A facepalm? Well, whatever makes you feel better ;-)


That literally was my reaction, so many people post when they don't properly understand what the problem is. I didn't mean it in an offensive way though.

The degree of spread is random within certain paramaters, so one time your burst might be very accurate and another quite inaccurate. The bullets leave the BR one after the other and do not reach the target immediately, this is why leading is necessary. For example if a player is strafing to the right in front of you, you may aim slightly infront of them and the bullets may hit right shoulder, chest and then left shoulder, this is a very simple example but this is why you lead. The spread and the randomness of it means that however perfectly you aim sometimes all 3 bullets will land sometimes just 1 depending on range. Even if there was no spread you would lead just the same.
I simply thought that that was the problem people were talking about and that they never lead their shot, miss, and come back here to complain =)

I didn't know about the whole spread thing.

  • 01.12.2009 7:28 AM PDT