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Subject: The Only BR Thread

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5 vs 1 now? Sounds fun. :)

I see a lot of crap on these forums, but nothing quite as ironic and hypocritical as this. You are lying to yourself if you really think that clip wasn't on LAN just because you can't stand the idea that Bungie actually made a mistake. All I'm reading from this is "BUT WAIT... BUNGIE CAN'T MAKE MISTAKES!!!" What possible motivation would the poster have had for lying?

Because, people like to complain. It makes them feel bigger than they actually are. If they can't and they are dishonest enough, they lie about it. Think about it this way too, if you were just randomly surfing MLGPro, what is more likely to make you respect someone, someone who praises Bungie for absolutely everything they do or someone who can find a huge flaw in the gameplay? I think it's pretty obvious. Also, that is the only clip on the internet of that happening. I think it's pretty obvious that it's faked just down to the fact that it's never happened to anyone else before and recorded. Either that or for some strange reason he has the motivation to record it when so many other people just couldn't be bothered.

Sadly the majority of MLG feel the need to find problems with everything Bungie does, the only thing I have against Bungie is the slightly messed up spawning system. But I don't complain about it, I know that if I go into matchmaking a consiquence of playing on Standoff or Narrows is that spawn camping is inevitable. I know that and I accept it rather than complaining about it and ruining the game for other people. By complaining about aspects of the game you just kick the fun out of it, it's not helping you, it's not helping Bungie better their games, it's not helping the community and it's not helping your friends. What is the point of complaining anyway?

Making the BR consistent wouldn't make it overpowered. The Sniper Rifle is consistent but not overpowered.

It depends what you define consistency as, I like to think of it as spread + kickback = innaccuracy, but this only happens beyond a certain range. Using all weapons evenly to their effective ranges is the correct way to play Halo, sure, using a Sniper to no-scope is fine. But if you play a whole game by no-scoping with a Sniper then you'll get it taken from you eventually. At such a close range, use an AR or a Shotgun, and at a mid-range use a BR.

Why don't you go over to the Halo 2 Board, or Halo CE? The people there will tell you that the H2 BR, or the CE Pistol, were fine, for the most part (some will disagree, just as some in this forum disagree with the H3 BR).

That's due to the fact that they are playing Halo 2 and Halo CE. I think the Halo 2 BR worked very differently due to the hitscan and as a result the H2 BR and H3 BR are very different weapons, the same goes for the different Pistols. If you don't like the way Halo 3 works then play Halo 2 or Halo CE instead, why play a game you don't enjoy?

I find it odd that you claim you've played Halo 1 or 2: you continue to insist that the Halo 3 Scorpion is easier to take down and the fact that your linked gamertag, which has over 10,000 Halo 3 games, has not played Halo 2 online.

Ah you are right, but you see the auto-update erased all my Halo 2 games, the level reset affected me and prior to that I modded and was banned from matchmaking as a result and afterwards I was unable to get my levels back after being banned. So you see, there is an explanation for everything. :)

Oh and about the 10,000 Halo 3 games, the majority of that is saving and ending in Forge to get things to float in the air.

It doesn't matter if there are "more" ways, it matters what percentage of weapons/tactics players can use that are effective against the Scorpion, and as Jiggly (I think) pointed out earlier Halo 1 has the higher percentage. Additionally, the Halo 1 Scorpion had lower rate of fire, significantly weaker secondary turret, and less armor. The only person you're fooling is yourself.

It also matters what is more available to players at the start of the game (e.g weapons nearby). And Halo 3 has the original Halo beat on that. I agree with you about the lower rate of fire, weaker secondary turret and less armor. But the Primary Turret still had ultimate range and power. If you were hit by the splash damage even a little you'd die instantly. The Halo 3 Scorpion's splash does nearly not as much damage.

To be honest I don't know if it does have a higher percentage. I'd guess you'd need a similar map from Halo 3 and Halo CE (e.g Avalanche and Sidewinder) and compare percentages of effective weapons on my list to overall weapons on each map, then take into consideration what you spawn closer to in contrast to where the enemy spawns and how much time you had to get the weapons you needed before the enemy Scorpion tank rolled around the corner.

  • 01.21.2009 8:14 AM PDT

Posted by: Air Sparrow
Thanks, now it all makes sense. :)
Oh, I get it now. You blatantly misunderstood my post.

"Do you think people would really be that desperate to show that this game has bullet registration issues? What incentive is there for people to do that?"

I'll rephrase this so it is more simple for you. I presented a clip from a LAN game. You claimed that the user who uploaded the video had lied about the game taking place on LAN. I then asked, "why would someone lie about that?" What incentive is there to fabricate or lie about evidence concerning flaws in the game?

"But... But IT WAS ON LAN U NOOB! STOP DENYING IT!!!"

That's all I'm reading from this, you need to have evidence or common sense to support everything. This can't be supported through common sense so you would need evidence. There is none, you can't support it. The clip is void. :)
Fine. If you wish to ignore what's in front of you, that's your choice. My point was that you are providing irrational explanations for the issues shown in that video.

Have you considered that occurrences like the one in that clip are not isolated incidents? That clip was provided as further proof of a problem that most people were already aware of and had experienced on both LAN and Live.

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  • 01.21.2009 8:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: Air Sparrow
5 vs 1 now? Sounds fun. :)

Just to let you know, no one cares. You brought this on yourself.

Because, people like to complain. It makes them feel bigger than they actually are. If they can't and they are dishonest enough, they lie about it.
This admittedly could have been his motivation, but it's far more likely that he was actually playing on LAN. Despite the fact that I'm sure the poster doesn't hold Bungie in high regards, if he didn't have any legitimate evidence for registration issues he probably would have complained about something else.

Also, that is the only clip on the internet of that happening.
Guess again.

Sadly the majority of MLG feel the need to find problems with everything Bungie does, the only thing I have against Bungie is the slightly messed up spawning system.
I bet that's your justification for every complaint thrown Bungie's way. God forbid anyone have any legitimate complaints.

But I don't complain about it, I know that if I go into matchmaking a consiquence of playing on Standoff or Narrows is that spawn camping is inevitable. I know that and I accept it rather than complaining about it and ruining the game for other people.
Sorry we're somehow ruining the game for you.

By complaining about aspects of the game you just kick the fun out of it,
Part of having fun in Halo 3 is reading Bungie's forums? What?

What is the point of complaining anyway?
What's the point of sucking up to them like you are right now? You aren't going to be getting anything out of it.

It depends what you define consistency as,
As in, the bullets always go in the same place.

I like to think of it as spread + kickback = innaccuracy, but this only happens beyond a certain range. Using all weapons evenly to their effective ranges is the correct way to play Halo, sure, using a Sniper to no-scope is fine. But if you play a whole game by no-scoping with a Sniper then you'll get it taken from you eventually. At such a close range, use an AR or a Shotgun, and at a mid-range use a BR.
The problem is, the BR isn't consistent at medium range. Aiming for the upper chest or neck, the farthest distance at which you can reliably four shot, where the random tendencies will not have any effect, is about 44 meters. That is not by any means medium range.

That's due to the fact that they are playing Halo 2 and Halo CE.
Exactly, they won't see anything wrong with it just because they're fans of those games in particular. Just as how the people in the general Halo 3 forum wouldn't see anything wrong with the current BR.

I think the Halo 2 BR worked very differently due to the hitscan and as a result the H2 BR and H3 BR are very different weapons, the same goes for the different Pistols. If you don't like the way Halo 3 works then play Halo 2 or Halo CE instead, why play a game you don't enjoy?
How about, trying to think up ways to improve the game I play? Play the only game that Bungie currently seems to have any interest in maintaining?

It also matters what is more available to players at the start of the game (e.g weapons nearby). And Halo 3 has the original Halo beat on that.
No, it doesn't. In Halo 3 you spawn with either AR, BR, or M6G. None of those are effective against the Scorpion. In Halo 1, you spawned with Pistol, AR, or Plasma Pistol, all of which were effective to some degree against the Scorpion - not to mention the grenades were significantly more powerful, too.

I agree with you about the lower rate of fire, weaker secondary turret and less armor. But the Primary Turret still had ultimate range and power. If you were hit by the splash damage even a little you'd die instantly. The Halo 3 Scorpion's splash does nearly not as much damage.
Yet the much higher right of fire overcomes this, plus the fact that in Halo 3, the primary turret always shoots straight, so it's much harder for you to miss.

To be honest I don't know if it does have a higher percentage. I'd guess you'd need a similar map from Halo 3 and Halo CE (e.g Avalanche and Sidewinder) and compare percentages of effective weapons on my list to overall weapons on each map, then take into consideration what you spawn closer to in contrast to where the enemy spawns and how much time you had to get the weapons you needed before the enemy Scorpion tank rolled around the corner.
Um, Jiggly already made a list, and he's still right, Halo 1 beats Halo 3.

  • 01.21.2009 9:11 AM PDT

nothing is wrongf with the almighty br

pls tell all whiny french person to be quiet and sit in the back corner of the pit lol

  • 01.21.2009 10:57 AM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

You'll likely find that 99% of players like the BR just how it is.Is this your idea of common sense, because it seems you pulled that stat out of your ass. This is exactly like people saying that the majority dislikes the BR, which is just an assumption. Although, 99%? Right. Not even close. Also, that stat really doesn't mean much anyway, since most of the "kids" in Bungie.net don't have the experience to really care about the functionality of the weapons. I would assume most of the "Halo 3" fans just play the game and don't pay attention to small details, like getting beat down due to AR bullets disappearing or randomly headshotting with the Magnum.

The "MLG" community, or those who prefer fair, balanced gameplay, dislike the BR because of differences in opinion from the Halo 3 design team about balance and because the BR has a random bullet spread. They don't dislike it because it is their favorite weapon or that's what MLG uses to balance their gameplay. I don't know where people get the impression that MLG is all about the BR. MLG began with Halo 1, which btw didn't have a BR, and is about balance and fair gameplay to allow the best team to win, which btw was Halo 1. The BR is really the only weapon that balances with the Power Weapons so that's what they use. They would much rather have something that resembled the M6D since it allows for precision rather than spraying for headshots, like the Halo 3 BR.

But it makes perfect sense doesn't it?Only to you, my friend. But, that's to be expected considering that my 7+ years of Halo experience obviously differs greatly from your 5 or so years of experience (assuming you even have 5 years).

...realised that Halo 2 was the better game.That is, indeed, the VERY first time I have ever heard that. And, I am being completely honest. If you really think Halo 2 was better than any of the Halos then that just erased what credibility you had left. It's debatable about which one is better between H1 and H3, but nobody ever compares Halo 2 with those. There were just too many flaws in that game. At least the BR vs BR allowed the better player to win, so it kept me playing longer than Halo 3 did.

  • 01.21.2009 12:48 PM PDT

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It is rising every time we fall.

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Meh, I give up. You guys are simply too focused on your own argument that you fail to see the argument. I hope you guys enjoy destroying the game for yourselves through your argument. :)

I think I'll just take B.B's earlier advice and leave now. Ja.

  • 01.21.2009 1:24 PM PDT

Saucing Daily

I think the Br on halo 2 was better simply because it was more "fun" to use... not because there was some .2 millisecond advantage.... Bungie does not realize they made halo 3 a lot less fun then it could have been.

P.S. halo 1 was best

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  • 01.21.2009 1:42 PM PDT

A MAN WANDERING THE WORLD WITH A PURPOSE, HAS NO REASON TO BE WANDERING AT ALL.

Undoubtedly one of the best weapons in the game. Need not change it at all.

  • 01.21.2009 4:51 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

For those who haven't heard or are interrested, there is going to be an Epic Halo 1 LAN broadcasted LIVE Jan. 30-31. If you have never truly experienced the awesomeness of Halo 1, this is an event that you should surely not miss. It will definitely bring back some great memories for those of us who loved Halo 1. It will also feature some custom-made maps.

http://lanfriends.com/

  • 01.21.2009 10:41 PM PDT

I'll definitely watch if I have the time. Sounds sick.

  • 01.22.2009 6:02 AM PDT

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If you want to use the halo 2 BR then idk maybe go play halo 2?

  • 01.23.2009 12:11 PM PDT

Posted by: SushiX0
If you want to use the halo 2 BR then idk maybe go play halo 2?


What if we don't want to use the Halo 2 BR? What if thats actually the exact opposite of what we want? What if you understood the complaints before posting?

  • 01.23.2009 2:28 PM PDT
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The BR shouldnt be changed

  • 01.23.2009 10:27 PM PDT
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i think carbine needs to be improved. make the carbine rounds fly faster!!

  • 01.23.2009 10:57 PM PDT

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If a squirrel had a nut and you had a Br, who would win?

The squirrel as he has more nuts than you.

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I have a problem with the BR-

It takes 9 BR bullets to the head to kill an Elite in SWAT matchmaking.

Don't believe me? Look at my file share. "Cheap Elites."

I dare you. O:

[Edited on 01.24.2009 4:32 PM PST]

  • 01.24.2009 4:32 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Jiggaspook
I have a problem with the BR-

It takes 9 BR bullets to the head to kill an Elite in SWAT matchmaking.

Don't believe me? Look at my file share. "Cheap Elites."

I dare you. O:
First of all, the BR ruins the gameplay of "SWAT." To be honest, I have no idea why it's considered a Hardcore gametype. It requires as much skill as the Rockets gametype. I know it is very random, but it should only be Magnums (I would say Carbines too but it can't be a spawn weapon and it has a fast RoF). Back in the old days when getting a headshot was satisfying, the M6D was used with this gametype of everyone having no shields. It was fun and at the same time practices your precision. "SWAT" doesn't help precision aiming at all and, to me, just gets boring and is about who sees who first.

As for Elites in SWAT, the BR is random. It is random because of disappearing bullets and the inconsistent tightness of the spread. Though, this really affects SPARTAN models as well. I wonder if since the SPARTAN models' head is at the top, there is a degree of magnetism that makes you hit as the bullet is close enough. An Elite model's head is surrounded by its shoulders, therefore, having less magnetism for headshots and making the randomness affect it far more than the other model. One thing that helps, though, is sweeping the reticule across your target when you shoot the head. This puts the randomness a little more in your favor.

[Edited on 01.24.2009 8:40 PM PST]

  • 01.24.2009 8:39 PM PDT

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Why should we be worrying about the BR spread when we should be SAVING OUR FIRE FOR THE PROPHETS?

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Posted by: CarnagePWND
Why should we be worrying about the BR spread when we should be SAVING OUR FIRE FOR THE PROPHETS?


I prefer the AR because it lets us SAVE OUR FIRE FOR THE PROPHETS.

  • 01.24.2009 8:54 PM PDT

I wish there was a gun like the BR in halo 3
Squids as well

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Never gonna give u up, never gonna let you down Assault Rifle.

Save your fire for the prophets.

[Edited on 01.24.2009 9:04 PM PST]

  • 01.24.2009 9:04 PM PDT

Our destiny is not frightful because it is unreal, it is frightful because it is irreversible and iron-clad. Time is the substance I am made of. Time is a river which sweeps me along, but I am the river. It is a tiger which destroys me, but I am the tiger. It is a fire which consumes me, but I am the fire.

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Posted by: CarnagePWND
Why should we be worrying about the BR spread when we should be SAVING OUR FIRE FOR THE PROPHETS?


I prefer the AR because it lets us SAVE OUR FIRE FOR THE PROPHETS.
The only place you should save your fire for the prophets is in A WHOLE NEW WORLD

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Let's save our ammo for Duardo!

  • 01.24.2009 9:15 PM PDT

bungie doesnt care what you have to say, this is their game. they probably feel insulted that their community, aka nobodys, disagrees with their so called 'weapon balance'. bunge made this game for sh.its and giggles knowing it would sell millions of copies regardless of how it plays
(i could go on about how funkd up their weapon balance is, but im too lazy)


they made this thread to laugh at all the die hard gamers. the ones that take something so trivial so seriously and decide to post pages and pages complaining about their perfect game. just stop already...

  • 01.25.2009 9:53 PM PDT