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Subject: The Only BR Thread

The battle rifle is amazing as is plz don't change it.

  • 02.10.2009 10:48 AM PDT

soooo ahh yeah actually the br is a very very bad gun i bet u love it.........cant use a manly assault rfle i bet if u ever used a m16 in real life ud go straight for the 3 shot burst mode phag.....

[Edited on 02.10.2009 3:49 PM PST]

  • 02.10.2009 3:46 PM PDT

Lol

I want everything fixed. The law of online gaming states that the most devoted and skilled should always be victorious regardless of the situation. And Halo 3 clearly defiles it. No noob using an AR should killed a skilled BR user in any situation. I want Bungie to make their OWN servers instead of being lazy bums and using an outdated host bast system that clearly allows casuals to beat the hardcore which is clearly unacceptable. I beleive halo started out for the hardcore therefore by right Bungie cannot even tho as the games developer make it for casuals. The law of online gaming must always be followed with or without the game developers wants and needs concerned!

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I want everything fixed. The law of online gaming states that the most devoted and skilled should always be victorious regardless of the situation. And Halo 3 clearly defiles it. No noob using an AR should killed a skilled BR user in any situation. I want Bungie to make their OWN servers instead of being lazy bums and using an outdated host bast system that clearly allows casuals to beat the hardcore which is clearly unacceptable. I beleive halo started out for the hardcore therefore by right Bungie cannot even tho as the games developer make it for casuals. The law of online gaming must always be followed with or without the game developers wants and needs concerned!


I agree, Bungie should have their own server to help lag and host connections.

  • 02.11.2009 11:12 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Neveri
The more "dynamic" you make a game, the more skill you take out of it.

Grenades blowing you in different directions.
Grenades blowing up other grenades, or changing trajectory.
Bullets blowing up Grenades
Giving dead players and weapons laying on the ground collision.
Giving the battle rifle a realistic "spread"
Bullet lag (taking time to reach target)
Recoil (sniper kicking up)

All of these things take away from fundamental gameplay, and balance. It is impossible to balance something that is dynamic. Let me repeat that.

******It is IMPOSSIBLE to balance something that is handled dynamically by the game******

Making things more dynamic and complicated takes away certainty, which means players can't plan their next move accordingly. Yes, I know that it takes 4 bursts from the battle rifle to kill a player, ideally. But who knows if those shots will register, if they'll *spread*, or just not travel fast enough.

I'm actually surprised that they didn't give the bullets a random travel speed, seeing as somewhere along the lines Halo turned into this hyper realistic shooter. *rolls eyes*

Not to mention how they had to make all the multiplayer levels look next gen, by adding little cracks and crevices. Not stopping there they proceeded to do a "per polly collision" on the whole level. Every little nook will have an effect on the bounce of your grenades.

I'm trying really hard to like Halo 3. I love the features, I love all the things they've done with forge, and saving your gameplay clips, and fileshare, and watching replays. I love all of that, but when the fundamental gameplay isn't there, it's hard to keep coming back. It's kinda like Halo 3 is an extremely well polished piece of poo.

They could at least give the players the option to change something in the settings. An option like... "turn off dynamic gameplay" or something of the like, that would get rid of those things I listed above.

I know Bungie doesn't care, because they don't care about a minority like the MLG crowd. Not enough to spend money to develop an option for a more old school BR. But I think they should realize that Halo 3 can and *is* becoming more than just a game that 10 year olds play to jack around in. When your game is something as big as MLG's flagship title, I think you're obligated to recognize that, and reflect that when designing the multiplayer elements of a game.

I'm not even entirely sure why bungie created "The only BR thread", if they aren't even going to respond to people's comments about the BR, or take our comments/suggestions into consideration. Even in the Beta people were saying how the BR was broken, yet no fix, no adjustments. Just an adjustment that takes more skill out of melee's.

Well, they might as well go the whole 10 yards and make the following changes.

After a certain amount of running your spartan gets fatigued, and must sit to rest
Grenades will now always go a random distance
Grenades will now have a random explosion radius and explosion damage
Guns will now randomly jam
After being shot without a shield active, you will lose accuracy, movement speed, and focus.
Environments are now completely destructable
To fire the sniper you must go prone or mount it on a wall, and have another player spot for you.
Melee's will now do random damage, based on fatigue from running and shooting.
When you die, you won't respawn.
Dead players and weapons will no longer dissapear, instead they'll litter the ground till the end of the match.
You will now trip over dead bodies and weapons on the floor.
Jumps will now be a random height within maximum jumping height.
Flags must now be physically carried back to your base to return.
If the oddball falls off the edge, it will be a draw game.
If the oddball sustains enough damage, it will be destroyed and end in a draw.
etc etc etc.

I don't care about the campaign, go crazy, do everything you want in campaign. Make it required to eat, I don't care. But when it comes to multiplayer, please keep it balanced, and fundamental. You do not need to overcomplicate everything.

Thanks for reading.

hahaha!

Good stuff.

  • 02.11.2009 4:49 PM PDT

stupid no good coin...

Not only is the BR fine as it is, it is great as it is. Makes so much more sense.

"No noob using an AR should killed a skilled BR user in any situation."

Wow, um, the AR is designed for close range. It is better at close range than a BR. Therefore the noob should beat you and hump the crap out of your body for your ingnorance. And if you were so skilled you would deal with that fact while playing.

[Edited on 02.11.2009 7:20 PM PST]

  • 02.11.2009 7:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: NOT SCARED OF U
soooo ahh yeah actually the br is a very very bad gun i bet u love it.........cant use a manly assault rfle i bet if u ever used a m16 in real life ud go straight for the 3 shot burst mode phag.....


Haha my friend. You make me laugh. Your new to the game and all of a sudden you think you know all about it. Hate to break it to you, but during Team slayer games, everyone runs for the battle rife. If you want to play with a M16 play COD4. As for your whole me holding an M16 argument thing.... well. I have nothing to say to that.

Also..... you can't spell worth -blam!-. Where do you come off trying to talk down to me?

  • 02.11.2009 9:14 PM PDT

Posted by: soooo ahhh yea
Posted by: NOT SCARED OF U
soooo ahh yeah actually the br is a very very bad gun i bet u love it.........cant use a manly assault rfle i bet if u ever used a m16 in real life ud go straight for the 3 shot burst mode phag.....


Haha my friend. You make me laugh. Your new to the game and all of a sudden you think you know all about it. Hate to break it to you, but during Team slayer games, everyone runs for the battle rife. If you want to play with a M16 play COD4. As for your whole me holding an M16 argument thing.... well. I have nothing to say to that.

Also..... you can't spell worth -blam!-. Where do you come off trying to talk down to me?


true dat bro, true dat, I only got the game in January and after dreaming over the game months before at my friends place, my friend told me that the BR was much better. I quickly realized this by playing social slayer games and getting owned everytime.I then asked my friend to teach me how to BR, I then started to quickly own. When I finally got my own copy I quickly began to own in lone wolves because all the new players have no idea how to use a ranged weapon. I then rose to highest skill 35 and was finally paired with my equals, this is how a game is meant to be played. BR owns hands down.

And our friend NOT SCARED OF U seems to have failed english class a couple of times.

  • 02.12.2009 6:57 PM PDT

Posted by: soooo ahhh yea
Posted by: NOT SCARED OF U
soooo ahh yeah actually the br is a very very bad gun i bet u love it.........cant use a manly assault rfle i bet if u ever used a m16 in real life ud go straight for the 3 shot burst mode phag.....


Haha my friend. You make me laugh. Your new to the game and all of a sudden you think you know all about it. Hate to break it to you, but during Team slayer games, everyone runs for the battle rife. If you want to play with a M16 play COD4. As for your whole me holding an M16 argument thing.... well. I have nothing to say to that.

Also..... you can't spell worth -blam!-. Where do you come off trying to talk down to me?
Excuse me, did someone call for the Troll Detector Repairman?

  • 02.12.2009 7:37 PM PDT

to fix the randomness you could just shoot an enemy's body three times and then once in the head. Since the body is a bigger target the spread won't matter. Headshots DO NOT do more damage with shields up. The only exception is with the sniper rifles. and only with shields ALL the way down will BRs, carbines, etc instantly kill someone

  • 02.12.2009 11:42 PM PDT

To neveri

Wouldn't bullet spread and leading you targets add skill opposed to taking skill away. And if you want a more "old school" game, shouldn't you play Halo 2 or even more old school how about Goldeneye 64?

  • 02.12.2009 11:49 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

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To neveri

Wouldn't bullet spread and leading you targets add skill opposed to taking skill away. And if you want a more "old school" game, shouldn't you play Halo 2 or even more old school how about Goldeneye 64?
I'm not Neveri. However, to answer your question...anything "random" programmed into a game takes skill away. As quoted by Lukems, himself, about Halo:CE, "Victory is determined by skill rather than the randomness of the weapon." After all, one reason why Bungie patched the Melee was because fights were determined by randomness.

And, I wouldn't consider Halo 2 as an old school game. I don't even consider it a classic. It just had waaay too many problematic gameplay issues. But, Goldeneye brought back some good memories.

[Edited on 02.13.2009 12:44 AM PST]

  • 02.13.2009 12:43 AM PDT
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There is truly nothing wrong with the BR. There is something wrong, however, with the people who use modded controllers to get continuous 4-shot burst streams and not have to individually squeeze the trigger for each burst.

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I dont like the BR that much tbh. The AR is a much better gun in my opinion.

  • 02.14.2009 4:50 PM PDT

I just realized how awesome wrecking the enemy team with a Focus Rifle from atop the Spire is. It's magical. It's like Concussion Rifle vs Sword/Shotgun.

Its fine i mean yeah the kills are random today it could be a 5 kill headshot next day could be 10 next day 15 whatever who gives a blam!Whoever whines can go drop dead i mean seriously just deal with it oh and DONT USE IT BLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 02.14.2009 10:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

As far as I'm concerned the players who have the most experience with the game know more about issues with balance than those who barely play the game or are not good at it to begin with. So how could Bungie know more about how the game should play out when they don't even play their own game enough to notice it?

I think Bungie should start letting the hardcore fans play a multiplayer Beta with their next game for a full year... that way poor gameplay design won't rear it's ugly head again.

[Edited on 02.15.2009 12:50 AM PST]

  • 02.15.2009 12:50 AM PDT
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me comming as a highest skill of 50 in 5 different playlists

i dont think there is a many problems with the game. if you complain about the br chances is its becuse your using it in the wrong situation the battle rifle is ment for medium range us it at MEDIUM RANGE NOT POINT BLANK
the assault rifle is probably the best wepon to take out ppl with brs dont complain about your brs people about all these shots spread, leading shots.NO PRACTICE WITH IT GET BETTER
be accostume to the randomnessof the shot spread. im ure most of you played HALO2 and the br was the most domanant wepon in the game. it was as accurate as a sniper rifle and was almost a strong considering you can kill in 4 shots. bungie wanted to create a balance between wepons. meaning that if you have a br in lets say halo 2. and you where plying something like avalance size calibur. every one on the other team has smgs which is the spawning wepon. you could kill all of them with 0 problem frm acros the map. if you where the people with the smg. youd be like "wow the smg sucks i need a br" your only chance to kill him is with a sniper or another br and slim chance with snipe. halo 3s about adapting to the situtation you have put our self in and using NO matter what it is to your advantage.

no 1s gonna read this tho lol

  • 02.15.2009 5:21 AM PDT

The br looks cool but looks like a gun in rainbow six Vegas, the name i cannot remember but if you have played it online you will know what i mean

  • 02.15.2009 6:20 AM PDT

Posted by: soooo ahhh yea
Posted by: Iapetus
Everybody needs to cut the MLG crap, and play the game for fun. The BR isn't "broken", whiny 14 year old's just need something to blame their failure on. That's all it is.


Actually the majority of MLG players are mature high school and college students. Merriam Webster gives the definiton of error as an act involving an unintentional deviation from truth or accuracy. Now when I pull the trigger to tell three bullets to fly into an enemy's head, but the game makes only 2 hit and one fly past his head, that to me is a problem.

Now imagine you in that BR situation and you die because of a " small margin of error". Because you die the enemy is able to pick up flag and move the flag mid map. But your teammates track him down and kill him. But because time has elapsed since your death, the enemy has had time to regroup with his team and is able to slay your teammates. With your team dead and you chasing far behind, they are able to score and win the game.

The opposing team talks trash to you and calls you a " noob" or what have you, because you were " outplayed" and "out skilled". But your loss was out of your hands. Fact is, you had a better BR than him. But you lost the game because of a "small margin of error". Are you happy with that? Do you mind losing when you should of won?

The outcome of a game should NEVER be decided because of random effect. While that game may sound unrealistic, it happens more often than you think. The sad part is Bungie sees that as the " way the game was designed". That is bull. Something needs to be done......



Best post I've read in quite a while. It speaks so much truth it's not even funny. Bungie will read this and just look the other way or roll their eyes because of their egotistical attitudes. Too bad their "true" fans are the ones that actually give them legitimate feedback and analyze their games. We don't even get paid to do it either...we do it because we're so passionate about Halo, but at the end of the day, they will never care.

  • 02.15.2009 7:42 PM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
-- Direct Control, BAMF

Does anybody have any videos that show the range of the BR, like with still targets and varying ranges that show when all bullets hit consistantly (or consistantly enough) when they start to miss and when its practically impossible, I'd like to know so that I can make a definite decision on the BR.


oh and I'd do it myself but I don't have access to an xbox and halo 3 right now.

  • 02.15.2009 10:47 PM PDT
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Yeah, I don't see why the BR should be changed in any way, but I do see why Bungie is concerned though. Yes, there are some Pros and Cons about the gun, but like any other weapon, it takes some time to learn and understand it. I like it that in hardcore mode the BR has a good chance to kill in about 1 or 2 shots, so you can get a pretty descent round in that. But yeah, it seems people tend to aim at the head most of the time with a BR, so it doesn't really matter. Anyway, It's nice to see that Bungie cares for It's players. ^_^

  • 02.15.2009 11:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: soooo ahhh yea
Posted by: Iapetus
Everybody needs to cut the MLG crap, and play the game for fun. The BR isn't "broken", whiny 14 year old's just need something to blame their failure on. That's all it is.


Actually the majority of MLG players are mature high school and college students. Merriam Webster gives the definiton of error as an act involving an unintentional deviation from truth or accuracy. Now when I pull the trigger to tell three bullets to fly into an enemy's head, but the game makes only 2 hit and one fly past his head, that to me is a problem.

Now imagine you in that BR situation and you die because of a " small margin of error". Because you die the enemy is able to pick up flag and move the flag mid map. But your teammates track him down and kill him. But because time has elapsed since your death, the enemy has had time to regroup with his team and is able to slay your teammates. With your team dead and you chasing far behind, they are able to score and win the game.

The opposing team talks trash to you and calls you a " noob" or what have you, because you were " outplayed" and "out skilled". But your loss was out of your hands. Fact is, you had a better BR than him. But you lost the game because of a "small margin of error". Are you happy with that? Do you mind losing when you should of won?

The outcome of a game should NEVER be decided because of random effect. While that game may sound unrealistic, it happens more often than you think. The sad part is Bungie sees that as the " way the game was designed". That is bull. Something needs to be done......



In my opinion, players who expect all three rounds to have pinpoint accuracy in relation to the crosshairs in the HUD are spoiled. Recoil was implanted into the game, so deal with it. Adapt and overcome.

It's not as if Bungie had the BR55 in Halo 3 on opening day, waited a couple months, and then changed it to HB SR. The spread was there from the begining of this game, so they didn't knife anybody in the back or do anything wrong.

The plain and simple truth is this:

BR55 =/= BR55HB SR

move on to other problems.

  • 02.16.2009 1:13 AM PDT

Ok i get it its a skill weapon but what i dont understand is y i cant get kills with it. ill admit it i love my ar and my sniper but i cant use the br for crap against another person with even moderate skill. so my question is what am i doing wrong???? i aim at head shoot the turn around i shoot again all reddotted head shot and they blow me away somewhere between shots 3 and 4 i need someone to help me understand the br cuz i hate the weapon i pull out my assault rifle first chance i get but if they have even a lil distance i get loaded without touching them. so what do you say any tips?

  • 02.16.2009 7:29 PM PDT
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the BR is the best gun in the game, if u can use it well that is.

  • 02.17.2009 1:07 AM PDT

BR is cool and all, but you just can't pass up that CR.

Gotta love the CR. The QR was cool, but just not my thing.

Seriously though, I enjoy finding BRs, nice gun to have.

  • 02.17.2009 4:14 AM PDT