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BR bullets should travel faster.

  • 03.04.2009 7:56 AM PDT
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The BR is the best overall gun in Halo 3, It's great in Mid to Long range battle and it is still decent in close range.

  • 03.04.2009 9:12 PM PDT

"Bungie controls everything. You have no rights. Play nice."

For the last time its TURRETS not TORRENTS. A TORRENT is either a peer to peer file sharing protocol or a violently fast stream of water. A TURRET is a self-contained weapons platform housing guns and capable of rotation. And TURRENT isn't even a word.

Posted by: xMNVikings789x
The BR is the best overall gun in Halo 3, It's great in Mid to Long range battle and it is still decent in close range.

Agreed, though I am not to good with it in the short range, it is the best all purpose weapon. Sniper rifles are unwieldy in the close range, swords are useless far a way, the BR can be used in both scenarios and is an excellent mid-range weapon, which is what it was designed to be.

  • 03.04.2009 11:15 PM PDT
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Bungie broke the BR just like they broke the ranking system

[Edited on 03.04.2009 11:34 PM PST]

  • 03.04.2009 11:32 PM PDT
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Let me start by saying why people play halo 3. People play halo 3 because its a decent game that everyone else plays. Now as for the BR.....hit scan has proved to be the best choice for every fps ever made. HL2 uses it. UT3 uses it. Hell even COD4 uses it. To try and make a game that is no where near realistic somewhat real by giving the br its own physics engine is unreasonable. Hears a list of pros and cons. These are completely factual not opinion:

H3 br
Pros: Less godly, takes a bit more skill

Cons: Performs horrible during lag because its not a hitscan weapon, is terribly inconsistent

H2 br
Pros: Consistent weapon and performs well during lag.

Cons: Too godly and takes less skill (more about who got the first shot)

Solution: Update every weapon. More weapons than the br are broken. The AR needs a slight damage increase. Spiker rounds should travel alittle faster. Trust me if the AR recieves a damage boost and (since u cant change it to hitscan because of coding) make the br bullets travel faster. Problem solved. AR kids will be happy because they can kill a BR kid easier as well as actually be able to do something with the starting weapon. And BR kids on both sides will be happy because the BR will still be the h3 br just with faster bullet travel.

  • 03.05.2009 9:57 AM PDT

HARV

theres nothing wrong with it

if it was like a SMG when it shoots

[Edited on 03.05.2009 2:05 PM PST]

  • 03.05.2009 2:01 PM PDT
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I like the BR too its an all around great gun (good substitute for the sniper) =)

  • 03.05.2009 2:32 PM PDT

R.I.P at the throne of judgment

i think everyone completely obsesses about the battle rifle and it will come to a point were nobody uses aaanything else. your all crazy about it. if i had it my way i would make it realistic, take that how you want to. people i know are completely terrible with every other weapon in the game and are constantly complaining because they dont have a battle rifle. complaining just like everyone in this thread. so if you want to have a good time take in the whole experience of the game like you did at lan parties with halo 1 and quit making yourself battle rifle slaves

  • 03.05.2009 2:52 PM PDT

Yes, I'm a furry. And yes, I like men. So what?

For all those that hate the BR: If it sucked so bad, I wouldn't get Overkills with it.

For AR supporters: It IS a great weapon. Good for stripping shields so a teammate can get the easy clean-up.

Bam. Win.

  • 03.05.2009 10:42 PM PDT

Posted by: XArcanumOrderX
i think everyone completely obsesses about the battle rifle and it will come to a point were nobody uses aaanything else. your all crazy about it. if i had it my way i would make it realistic, take that how you want to. people i know are completely terrible with every other weapon in the game and are constantly complaining because they dont have a battle rifle. complaining just like everyone in this thread. so if you want to have a good time take in the whole experience of the game like you did at lan parties with halo 1 and quit making yourself battle rifle slaves


No people complain about not having a BR because there are few other weapons that actually require skill to use, they get frustrated when they are forced to tie AR beatdown battles or die simply because the other person came out on top in the rock, paper scissors joke of close combat. They also get frustrated when they spawn in the open with a useless weapon and cannot defend themselves against spawncampers with BRs. The only other weapons that take as much skill as the BR to use are the carbine (not many around), the magnum (severely underpowered) and the sniper rifle (rare - 1 or 2 every 3 mins).

IMO it is perfectly legitimate to complain about not having a BR as having a BR allows skillful players to be rewarded for their skill and for players to have a fighting chance in most situations.

All the spread and its randomness does is make the BR a less skillful weapon and the game a less skillful game (I guess most people who post in here must just like the game to be easy). Limiting the range also detracts from individual and team skill as less skilled weapons are overpowered and players do not suffer for making poor decisions.

  • 03.06.2009 5:52 AM PDT

the br is a great gun, i dont have any problems with it, as a matter of fact it is really the only gun i use

  • 03.06.2009 5:59 AM PDT

R.I.P at the throne of judgment

Posted by: Prodigy117
[quote]Posted by: XArcanumOrderX


No people complain about not having a BR because there are few other weapons that actually require skill to use, they get frustrated when they are forced to tie AR beatdown battles or die simply because the other person came out on top in the rock, paper scissors joke of close combat. They also get frustrated when they spawn in the open with a useless weapon and cannot defend themselves against spawncampers with BRs. The only other weapons that take as much skill as the BR to use are the carbine (not many around), the magnum (severely underpowered) and the sniper rifle (rare - 1 or 2 every 3 mins).

IMO it is perfectly legitimate to complain about not having a BR as having a BR allows skillful players to be rewarded for their skill and for players to have a fighting chance in most situations.

All the spread and its randomness does is make the BR a less skillful weapon and the game a less skillful game (I guess most people who post in here must just like the game to be easy). Limiting the range also detracts from individual and team skill as less skilled weapons are overpowered and players do not suffer for making poor decisions.



wow if bungie wanted the br to be a god weapon they would have called it halo 3 battle rifle. the magnum is completely not underpowered, its a pistol for cryin out loud. i think the battle rifle is perfect the way it is, it rewards experienced accurate players with 4 shot kills and it is still good for less experienced players. it is the perfect change from halo 2 and is not overpowered. i completely disagree with the idea of changing it. but when people i know only use the battle rifle and then complain of being killed by an AR or another weapon, its just crazy. like i said its called halo 3 not halo 3 br, and there are faaaar more features to this game than a massively debated gun

  • 03.06.2009 11:36 AM PDT

Ice Cold Killa!!!!!!

I don't think the br will changed end of story.

  • 03.06.2009 12:51 PM PDT
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It's not a matter of changing the BR, the main thing here is that we want to start with it as a default weapon.

If we always start with both, beginners can stick with the AR until they're they can aim well enough to BR with a more skilled player. If we only have ARs, it's usually more luck than skill. Who wants a game to be based on luck??

  • 03.06.2009 2:54 PM PDT

we are ODST.
405th:gingersnapples

why complain about halo 3's most kick a** gun?

  • 03.06.2009 3:05 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: XArcanumOrderX
Wow. If Bungie wanted the BR to be a "god" weapon, they would have called it "Halo 3 Battle Rifle." The Magnum is completely not underpowered; It's a pistol for cryin' out loud. I think the Battle Rifle is perfect the way it is. It rewards experienced accurate players with 4 shot kills and it is still good for less experienced players. It is the perfect change from Halo 2 and is not overpowered. I completely disagree with the idea of changing it. But, when people I know only use the Battle Rifle and then complain about being killed by an AR-wielder or another weapon, it's just crazy. Like I said, it's called Halo 3...not "Halo 3 BR," and there are faaaar more features to this game than a massively debated gun.

EDITED by Jiggly, for numerous accounts of lazyness, in order for a less distracting post.

Your statement about the BR rewarding more experienced players is a bit inaccurate. The BR is random after a certain range. So, yeah, the BR rewards more skillful players with a 4sk, but only within a pretty close range (barely Mid-range). It also rewards more skillful players with a 5sk within a certain range, while rewarding those who are lucky with a 4sk at that same range. It also rewards more skillful players with a 6sk within a certain range, while rewarding those who are lucky with a 5sk and those who are really lucky with a 4sk at that same range. You see? It is random. It does allow more skillful players to usually defeat lesser skilled players, but it also allows skillful players to lose due to randomness. That's the nature of spray weapons, and that is the nature of weapons that are less skillful.

Whenever you design a weapon to have random elements, it becomes less skillful, which is pretty much what Prodigy was stating. That doesn't mean the BR is not a skillful weapon. The BR is just not as skillful as it would be if lacked randomness. The same goes for all weapons (Shotgun, Carbine, Plasma Rifle, etc.).

The phrase "Spray n' Pray" is referred to in most FPSs has a weapon that randomly shoots, thus why you must "pray" in order for you to hit your target. This style of weapon and tactic is usually used by the "noob-style" gamer and is laughed upon by many. The AR is a good example of this, however, its bullets can be manipulated by burst-firing which decreases its "Spray n' Pray" property a little. The BR has taken a turn towards a "Spray n' Pray" weapon. It isn't an automatic like the AR, but it definitely has a spray property and a pray property.

The Halo 3 BR probably takes more skill (for 4,5,6,7,8-shotting, anyway) than the Halo 2 BR, but it is a lesser skilled weapon. The Halo 2 BR is more of a precision weapon. This has to do with the amount of randomness involved in using the weapon. For example, if the Sniper shot randomly, it would become a lesser skilled weapon. Is the Sniper overpowered? Yes, well, in AR starts. Maybe they should design that weapon to shoot randomly as well. Would you agree with that? Probably not: It's a Sniper for cryin' out loud.

If you've made it this far, then good for you. Now, you'll understand why the more mature gamers complain about such things as the BR. Those that complain about things such as getting killed from certain weapons while BRing are simply just too inexperienced (*cough* or immature *cough*). The AR should be a weapon with a role. And, that role is as a close-range weapon when a more powerful weapon like the Shotgun is unequipped, as it once was in Halo:CE with Pro settings. If you die while using a BR to an AR-wielder, then you just simply did not use Grenades wisely, did not 4-shot, did not switch to a better suited weapon, *cough* or lag/disappearing nade/bullet issues *cough*.

Let's quickly look at a weapon that was extremely powerful, the M6D Pistol. The main two Power Weapons used in Halo:CE were the Sniper and Rocket Launcher. The M6D is really one of the main reasons why the Power Weapons were balanced. Let's say the M6D was as accurate as a BR 4sk, or even a 5sk (so it would be very random)...the Sniper would then be extremely overpowered. Ok, now let's say the M6D had a damage reduction to about a 4 or 5sk...the Rocket Launcher would increase its power, if not overpowered. With Halo 3, we see such weapons being overpowered. BR starts help with that a little, but its effectiveness allows for Snipers to just sit back and have their way, while Rocket users can just jump into battle without any fear of dieing. This is why I, and others, enjoyed the Halo:CE gameplay the most out of the Halos.

I really should end my very flavorful thoughts on this topic. I'm beginning to just ramble about this and that.

In regards to the M6G Magnum, it is very useful. If it wasn't, I probably would not press 'Y' when I spawn in AR/M6G starts. That doesn't mean it isn't underpowered, however. To be honest, if the M6G wasn't random, or was very precise in its shooting, my hatred towards Bungie's new direction of the series would turn into love. I would <3 Bungie forever. (It wouldn't even be overpowered since you still have to lead your shots and there is no scope making headshots very difficult at long range)

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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: XArcanumOrderX
Wow. If Bungie wanted the BR to be a "god" weapon, they would have called it "Halo 3 Battle Rifle." The Magnum is completely not underpowered; It's a pistol for cryin' out loud. I think the Battle Rifle is perfect the way it is. It rewards experienced accurate players with 4 shot kills and it is still good for less experienced players. It is the perfect change from Halo 2 and is not overpowered. I completely disagree with the idea of changing it. But, when people I know only use the Battle Rifle and then complain about being killed by an AR-wielder or another weapon, it's just crazy. Like I said, it's called Halo 3...not "Halo 3 BR," and there are faaaar more features to this game than a massively debated gun.

EDITED by Jiggly, for numerous accounts of lazyness, in order for a less distracting post.

Your statement about the BR rewarding more experienced players is a bit inaccurate. The BR is random after a certain range. So, yeah, the BR rewards more skillful players with a 4sk, but only within a pretty close range (barely Mid-range). It also rewards more skillful players with a 5sk within a certain range, while rewarding those who are lucky with a 4sk at that same range. It also rewards more skillful players with a 6sk within a certain range, while rewarding those who are lucky with a 5sk and those who are really lucky with a 4sk at that same range. You see? It is random. It does allow more skillful players to usually defeat lesser skilled players, but it also allows skillful players to lose due to randomness. That's the nature of spray weapons, and that is the nature of weapons that are less skillful.

Whenever you design a weapon to have random elements, it becomes less skillful, which is pretty much what Prodigy was stating. That doesn't mean the BR is not a skillful weapon. The BR is just not as skillful as it would be if lacked randomness. The same goes for all weapons (Shotgun, Carbine, Plasma Rifle, etc.).

The phrase "Spray n' Pray" is referred to in most FPSs has a weapon that randomly shoots, thus why you must "pray" in order for you to hit your target. This style of weapon and tactic is usually used by the "noob-style" gamer and is laughed upon by many. The AR is a good example of this, however, its bullets can be manipulated by burst-firing which decreases its "Spray n' Pray" property a little. The BR has taken a turn towards a "Spray n' Pray" weapon. It isn't an automatic like the AR, but it definitely has a spray property and a pray property.

The Halo 3 BR probably takes more skill (for 4,5,6,7,8-shotting, anyway) than the Halo 2 BR, but it is a lesser skilled weapon. The Halo 2 BR is more of a precision weapon. This has to do with the amount of randomness involved in using the weapon. For example, if the Sniper shot randomly, it would become a lesser skilled weapon. Is the Sniper overpowered? Yes, well, in AR starts. Maybe they should design that weapon to shoot randomly as well. Would you agree with that? Probably not: It's a Sniper for cryin' out loud.

If you've made it this far, then good for you. Now, you'll understand why the more mature gamers complain about such things as the BR. Those that complain about things such as getting killed from certain weapons while BRing are simply just too inexperienced (*cough* or immature *cough*). The AR should be a weapon with a role. And, that role is as a close-range weapon when a more powerful weapon like the Shotgun is unequipped, as it once was in Halo:CE with Pro settings. If you die while using a BR to an AR-wielder, then you just simply did not use Grenades wisely, did not 4-shot, did not switch to a better suited weapon, *cough* or lag/disappearing nade/bullet issues *cough*.

Let's quickly look at a weapon that was extremely powerful, the M6D Pistol. The main two Power Weapons used in Halo:CE were the Sniper and Rocket Launcher. The M6D is really one of the main reasons why the Power Weapons were balanced. Let's say the M6D was as accurate as a BR 4sk, or even a 5sk (so it would be very random)...the Sniper would then be extremely overpowered. Ok, now let's say the M6D had a damage reduction to about a 4 or 5sk...the Rocket Launcher would increase its power, if not overpowered. With Halo 3, we see such weapons being overpowered. BR starts help with that a little, but its effectiveness allows for Snipers to just sit back and have their way, while Rocket users can just jump into battle without any fear of dieing. This is why I, and others, enjoyed the Halo:CE gameplay the most out of the Halos.

I really should end my very flavorful thoughts on this topic. I'm beginning to just ramble about this and that.

In regards to the M6G Magnum, it is very useful. If it wasn't, I probably would not press 'Y' when I spawn in AR/M6G starts. That doesn't mean it isn't underpowered, however. To be honest, if the M6G wasn't random, or was very precise in its shooting, my hatred towards Bungie's new direction of the series would turn into love. I would <3 Bungie forever. (It wouldn't even be overpowered since you still have to lead your shots and there is no scope making headshots very difficult at long range)

The first paragraph is completely true. However the second paragraph is not completely true. You can still have randomness and still require skill IF the randomness is controlled by to player to a point where almost every time the better player wins. By almost I mean like 99% of the time. The fourth paragraph proves exactly what is wrong with the BR. You cannot have an inaccurate accurate weapon. What was Bungie thinking? Everything else I completely agree with.

Have you ever played Quake III Arena or Quake Live Beta. The weapons in that game are all consistent. The only reason I don't play it very often is because I don't like the weak starting weapon, my internet sucks, and I am not very good at it. When I do get a good game I enjoy it very much. Here's a link to the Quake Live Beta.

  • 03.06.2009 4:02 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: The Samurai22
Have you ever played Quake III Arena or Quake Live Beta. The weapons in that game are all consistent. The only reason I don't play it very often is because I don't like the weak starting weapon, my internet sucks, and I am not very good at it. When I do get a good game I enjoy it very much. Here's a link to the Quake Live Beta.
I've heard good things about Quake III Arena. I haven't tried it, though. Maybe I'll check it out some time.

  • 03.06.2009 4:51 PM PDT

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  • 03.06.2009 5:42 PM PDT
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Why do people say that the BR is not useful enough for long range?

When I'm playing Team BR's on The Pit I find myself easily getting a 4 shot on the noob camping at sniper tower while I'm all the way over at rocket hall.

As for mid-range, there is no question that in this category the BR thrives.

It's only flaw is how easily defeated it is in short range, when fighting the AR.

  • 03.06.2009 6:51 PM PDT

RAGE -

i Laugh at people that Suck at halo 3.

  • 03.07.2009 2:50 PM PDT
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I agree the BR can be and in my opinion is one of the most powerful and well rounded weapons in Halo but it does take a lot of skill and practice to master but once you do your kill death ratio will skyrocket. The same goes for the sniper rifle.

  • 03.07.2009 3:38 PM PDT

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  • 03.07.2009 3:41 PM PDT