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Yeah I love using the battle rifle, and I do think I have acquired MLG skill with it, but most people would rather hop into a warthog, banshee, ghost, or tank these take no skill whatsoever then have the nerve to say there good players when they blind side people. It's just sad.

  • 03.07.2009 3:46 PM PDT
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The BR actually takes skill because its not a stupid hitscan weapon anymore.
THANKS BUNGIE :)

  • 03.08.2009 6:44 AM PDT

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I have over 1,200 kills with the BR, and is my number 1 tool of distruction. I love the BR, nuff said.

  • 03.09.2009 12:37 AM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: JQBARRON
I have over 1,200 kills with the BR, and is my number 1 tool of distruction. I love the BR
That's nice to know but isn't relevant at all to the discussion.

nuff said.No u

  • 03.09.2009 12:57 AM PDT

R.I.P at the throne of judgment

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: XArcanumOrderX
Wow. If Bungie wanted the BR to be a "god" weapon, they would have called it "Halo 3 Battle Rifle." The Magnum is completely not underpowered; It's a pistol for cryin' out loud. I think the Battle Rifle is perfect the way it is. It rewards experienced accurate players with 4 shot kills and it is still good for less experienced players. It is the perfect change from Halo 2 and is not overpowered. I completely disagree with the idea of changing it. But, when people I know only use the Battle Rifle and then complain about being killed by an AR-wielder or another weapon, it's just crazy. Like I said, it's called Halo 3...not "Halo 3 BR," and there are faaaar more features to this game than a massively debated gun.

EDITED by Jiggly, for numerous accounts of lazyness, in order for a less distracting post.

Your statement about the BR rewarding more experienced players is a bit inaccurate. The BR is random after a certain range. So, yeah, the BR rewards more skillful players with a 4sk, but only within a pretty close range (barely Mid-range). It also rewards more skillful players with a 5sk within a certain range, while rewarding those who are lucky with a 4sk at that same range. It also rewards more skillful players with a 6sk within a certain range, while rewarding those who are lucky with a 5sk and those who are really lucky with a 4sk at that same range. You see? It is random. It does allow more skillful players to usually defeat lesser skilled players, but it also allows skillful players to lose due to randomness. That's the nature of spray weapons, and that is the nature of weapons that are less skillful.

Whenever you design a weapon to have random elements, it becomes less skillful, which is pretty much what Prodigy was stating. That doesn't mean the BR is not a skillful weapon. The BR is just not as skillful as it would be if lacked randomness. The same goes for all weapons (Shotgun, Carbine, Plasma Rifle, etc.).

The phrase "Spray n' Pray" is referred to in most FPSs has a weapon that randomly shoots, thus why you must "pray" in order for you to hit your target. This style of weapon and tactic is usually used by the "noob-style" gamer and is laughed upon by many. The AR is a good example of this, however, its bullets can be manipulated by burst-firing which decreases its "Spray n' Pray" property a little. The BR has taken a turn towards a "Spray n' Pray" weapon. It isn't an automatic like the AR, but it definitely has a spray property and a pray property.

The Halo 3 BR probably takes more skill (for 4,5,6,7,8-shotting, anyway) than the Halo 2 BR, but it is a lesser skilled weapon. The Halo 2 BR is more of a precision weapon. This has to do with the amount of randomness involved in using the weapon. For example, if the Sniper shot randomly, it would become a lesser skilled weapon. Is the Sniper overpowered? Yes, well, in AR starts. Maybe they should design that weapon to shoot randomly as well. Would you agree with that? Probably not: It's a Sniper for cryin' out loud.

If you've made it this far, then good for you. Now, you'll understand why the more mature gamers complain about such things as the BR. Those that complain about things such as getting killed from certain weapons while BRing are simply just too inexperienced (*cough* or immature *cough*). The AR should be a weapon with a role. And, that role is as a close-range weapon when a more powerful weapon like the Shotgun is unequipped, as it once was in Halo:CE with Pro settings. If you die while using a BR to an AR-wielder, then you just simply did not use Grenades wisely, did not 4-shot, did not switch to a better suited weapon, *cough* or lag/disappearing nade/bullet issues *cough*.

Let's quickly look at a weapon that was extremely powerful, the M6D Pistol. The main two Power Weapons used in Halo:CE were the Sniper and Rocket Launcher. The M6D is really one of the main reasons why the Power Weapons were balanced. Let's say the M6D was as accurate as a BR 4sk, or even a 5sk (so it would be very random)...the Sniper would then be extremely overpowered. Ok, now let's say the M6D had a damage reduction to about a 4 or 5sk...the Rocket Launcher would increase its power, if not overpowered. With Halo 3, we see such weapons being overpowered. BR starts help with that a little, but its effectiveness allows for Snipers to just sit back and have their way, while Rocket users can just jump into battle without any fear of dieing. This is why I, and others, enjoyed the Halo:CE gameplay the most out of the Halos.

I really should end my very flavorful thoughts on this topic. I'm beginning to just ramble about this and that.

In regards to the M6G Magnum, it is very useful. If it wasn't, I probably would not press 'Y' when I spawn in AR/M6G starts. That doesn't mean it isn't underpowered, however. To be honest, if the M6G wasn't random, or was very precise in its shooting, my hatred towards Bungie's new direction of the series would turn into love. I would <3 Bungie forever. (It wouldn't even be overpowered since you still have to lead your shots and there is no scope making headshots very difficult at long range)



it doesnt hav anything to do with luck. Ur probly one of those guys that misses shots but is in denial about it so you blame it on luck, when you basically just missed the shots. if i lose a br match its because i missed the shots not from luck. samurai22 is right. and yes you are rambling. if bungie changed the magnum, then you would hav a battle rifle and be geting beat by a pistol all the time and then you would be on here complaining about that as well. play with what bungie gives you, its their game not yours

  • 03.09.2009 12:38 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: XArcanumOrderX
It doesn't have anything to do with luck. You're probably one of those guys that misses shots but is in denial about it so you blame it on luck, when you basically just missed the shots. If I lose a BR match it's because I missed the shots...not from luck.
As a Mathematics major with experience in Engineering and Computer Programming, it is to my knowledge that when something is random, there is an amount of chance, or "luck," involved. Since Bungie has provided us with an explanation of how the BR is designed, which is random, it has been proven that it determines the winner of duels randomly at certain ranges. That is fact. There really is no opinion about whether or not the BR decides battles based on "luck" or the chance that all your bullets will hit your target. Those who don't understand this concept simply do not have very good awareness or have not been educated on the functionality of this weapon. If you don't believe me or Bungie that the BR is random, then test it out for yourself at all ranges. You will find that passed the 4-shot range, the BR becomes inconsistent. The same goes for all weapons (except Sniper and Lasor). It is the nature of this game and its weapons.

I am in no way saying that this is a bad thing. Many people enjoy these inconsistencies designed into the game. It controls range (well, for single-shot weapons at least). But, randomness in anything decreases the amount of skill involved. It, by no means, makes it unskillful...just more unskillful than what it would be without randomness.

Samurai22 is right.He agreed with nearly everything I posted. So you agree with me? The only thing he mentioned was that if the randomness is controlled by the gamer then it can be skillful (which, btw, is unlike the BR). He made a good point, which I agreed with. I nowhere said that having randomness is unskillful. I keep trying to make it clear that having randomness only makes it more unskillful. And, having uncontrolled randomness is even more unskillful than that (which, btw, is like the BR).

Here's a good analogy...In basketball, if the net randomly moved then the game would be less skillful. Now, if the net consistently moved, like in a circle or other predictable pattern, then the game would be more skillful. With randomness timing and precision is almost a guessing game. When it is predictable, however, the player can time his shots, and therefore, the best player usually wins.

If Bungie changed the Magnum, then you would have a Battle Rifle and would be getting beat by a Magnum all the time. Then you would be on here complaining about that as well.Well, considering that I already prefer to use and enjoy using the M6G Magnum over the BR anyway, I would bet I would not be complaining. But, either way, the BR is a 4sk where Grenade+Headshot is as easy as using a Rocket Launcher, except with more range. The M6G is a non-scoped, single-shot 5sk weapon where Grenade+Headshot requires precision. Increasing the Magnum's range would have little effect on the BR's use. And, please don't come on here and comment on the M6G, when you lack any experience with that weapon (.71% kills to be exact).

Play with what Bungie gives you. It's their game...not yours.Ok. *shakes head*

[Edited on 03.09.2009 3:00 PM PDT]

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To clear up what is wrong with the BR here is video by everyone's favorite person, Dan91Bauer. LINK See how sometimes even though he is aiming at the head it will sometimes 4 shot and other times it won't. There is nothing we can do as explained by Bungie's update a while back. It is within its intended range since the reticule still turns red. This means you have to get lucky to four shot and that is not right. You should not have to get lucky to use a precision weapon.

  • 03.09.2009 4:27 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

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Actually, it just proves that Dan has poor aim.

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  • 03.09.2009 5:09 PM PDT

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Actually, it just proves that Dan has poor aim.

~B.B.


It could be that or lag?

  • 03.09.2009 5:43 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Pro Kendog
It could be that or lag?
It was done on a local connection, so lag wasn't an issue. However, he was aiming at the head, which at that range means the 4sk will be inconsistent.

This test was also done before anyone knew the functionality of the BR. It was done about 11 months ago. So, really? Why did someone post this? All this does is show that the BR is random. We've known that for quite some time, now.

  • 03.09.2009 5:54 PM PDT

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BR = ....the word will just get BLAMMED so -blam!- it

  • 03.09.2009 7:36 PM PDT
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That would be cool if the BR had a br counter so you can tell for sure you had a 4 shot.

  • 03.09.2009 7:39 PM PDT

CANADA RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sure complain about u sucking with the BR so they can take the realism out of the game

  • 03.09.2009 7:44 PM PDT

You, like many many others, are a casual a gamer. I know this because people who understand competitive gaming know that having a "god weapon" is vital to competitive play. Reach's sandbox makes you choose a weapon and stick to it's niche. But when you have a dominant all-purpose weapon, you are free to move around the map. When you can navigate the entire map, you are suddenly given many more options strategically, and being able to find the best option is indeed a skill.

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: Pro Kendog
It could be that or lag?
It was done on a local connection, so lag wasn't an issue. However, he was aiming at the head, which at that range means the 4sk will be inconsistent.

This test was also done before anyone knew the functionality of the BR. It was done about 11 months ago. So, really? Why did someone post this? All this does is show that the BR is random. We've known that for quite some time, now.


You sir, and your posts, are some of the most well thought out and well made posts... in the forum probably. Keep it up, maybe you could be the one that could change this whole thing around.

  • 03.09.2009 8:32 PM PDT
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i didnt know there was something wrong with it :)

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the problem most people have with it is that it does take skill and a significant amount of practice to use. as i leveled up on my brother's old account i and just about everyone else realizes the better u get the more the competition uses BR's. the fact that it is so much stronger than most other weapons and with good range and accurracy, is why people use it. because it takes skill and i personally hardly used it because it was difficult to use effectively at first. after enough practice though you get the hang of it. people who want it dumbed down or weakened are just people who have played and gotten used to a certain style of playing, that doesnt involve BRs, and so instead of basically re-learning a styl they'd rather be lazy and complain. personally i see nothing wrong with it. it is easily the best #1 option of the guns in Halo 3. I personally feel there is nothing better than a BR on BR matchup.

  • 03.10.2009 12:24 AM PDT

DONT BE A LAGGY NOOB ON XBL

i think the br is only good if there is no lag if ther is a tiny bit of lag ppl survive about 7 shots all hitting and thats pritty much the only weapons that does it with me

  • 03.10.2009 3:27 PM PDT

R.I.P at the throne of judgment

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: XArcanumOrderX
It doesn't have anything to do with luck. You're probably one of those guys that misses shots but is in denial about it so you blame it on luck, when you basically just missed the shots. If I lose a BR match it's because I missed the shots...not from luck.
As a Mathematics major with experience in Engineering and Computer Programming, it is to my knowledge that when something is random, there is an amount of chance, or "luck," involved. Since Bungie has provided us with an explanation of how the BR is designed, which is random, it has been proven that it determines the winner of duels randomly at certain ranges. That is fact. There really is no opinion about whether or not the BR decides battles based on "luck" or the chance that all your bullets will hit your target. Those who don't understand this concept simply do not have very good awareness or have not been educated on the functionality of this weapon. If you don't believe me or Bungie that the BR is random, then test it out for yourself at all ranges. You will find that passed the 4-shot range, the BR becomes inconsistent. The same goes for all weapons (except Sniper and Lasor). It is the nature of this game and its weapons.

I am in no way saying that this is a bad thing. Many people enjoy these inconsistencies designed into the game. It controls range (well, for single-shot weapons at least). But, randomness in anything decreases the amount of skill involved. It, by no means, makes it unskillful...just more unskillful than what it would be without randomness.

Samurai22 is right.He agreed with nearly everything I posted. So you agree with me? The only thing he mentioned was that if the randomness is controlled by the gamer then it can be skillful (which, btw, is unlike the BR). He made a good point, which I agreed with. I nowhere said that having randomness is unskillful. I keep trying to make it clear that having randomness only makes it more unskillful. And, having uncontrolled randomness is even more unskillful than that (which, btw, is like the BR).

Here's a good analogy...In basketball, if the net randomly moved then the game would be less skillful. Now, if the net consistently moved, like in a circle or other predictable pattern, then the game would be more skillful. With randomness timing and precision is almost a guessing game. When it is predictable, however, the player can time his shots, and therefore, the best player usually wins.

If Bungie changed the Magnum, then you would have a Battle Rifle and would be getting beat by a Magnum all the time. Then you would be on here complaining about that as well.Well, considering that I already prefer to use and enjoy using the M6G Magnum over the BR anyway, I would bet I would not be complaining. But, either way, the BR is a 4sk where Grenade+Headshot is as easy as using a Rocket Launcher, except with more range. The M6G is a non-scoped, single-shot 5sk weapon where Grenade+Headshot requires precision. Increasing the Magnum's range would have little effect on the BR's use. And, please don't come on here and comment on the M6G, when you lack any experience with that weapon (.71% kills to be exact).

Play with what Bungie gives you. It's their game...not yours.Ok. *shakes head*




im one of the people who likes the inconsistency at long range. You put some effort into that post so you win. I still dont agree at all but your argument is more about statistics and mine is about the atmosphere of the game. we are not on the same page anymore. Thats weird you looked up my profile tho so i dont want you to have to do that again to prove your point haha. consider it proven. its obvious you know what your talking about, so u should make your own game and leave halo 3 to bungie

  • 03.10.2009 11:49 PM PDT
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i like the power but the look and 3 shots a trigger pull that is wrong they should have it the length it can reach and have it eitheir automatic or semi-automatic in the options menu your choice

  • 03.12.2009 6:52 AM PDT

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(¸.•´ __(¸.•I four shot like it's my job.

The BR is fine how it is, if you don't like it, don't use it and get killed by people using it that don't complain.

  • 03.13.2009 5:23 PM PDT

i like the BR, but one time i wuz playin SWAT and the crosshair dot appeared, i shot and the guy didnt die

  • 03.13.2009 6:22 PM PDT

Halo3 is just a game and BR is a powerfull weapon in that game. There is nothing more to say about it.

  • 03.15.2009 3:56 AM PDT