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The BR is broken to all people who cannot aim.

  • 03.24.2009 2:38 PM PDT

It's harder to aim with the AR-It doesn't have a scope!!!

  • 03.24.2009 2:56 PM PDT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMmyfMNWiCE < Video displaying bullet return. I dont know how accurate his statistic his, but nevertheless it exists.

  • 03.24.2009 4:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: soterious
It's harder to aim with the AR-It doesn't have a scope!!!


Lol, no. How is it harder to aim?

BR = You need headshots.

AR = Head, body, dosn't matter. The AR is a mid - close range weapon. Not long range.

  • 03.25.2009 5:28 AM PDT
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if they would fix the spread and the shots not registering,then the BR would be amazing.I cant tell you how many times i got/could of got out br'ed because of my shots not connecting.All we ask is FIX THE BR

  • 03.25.2009 6:35 PM PDT
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i was thinking the same thing, the BR from H2 was very poweful and i understand why they wanted to tone this one down. The BR of H3 is a joke right now people do not fear this weapon like they should. All Bungie needs to do is improve the accuracy of the BR and leave the power of the bullets the same and it would still be a fair weapon and not nearly as beastly as the H2 BR plz Bungie for the love of all things holy, fix this dam gun........

  • 03.26.2009 12:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Quetzocoetl
The BR is fine the way it is,
Decreasing it's spread increases it's range, which would result in more spawn kills and less snipers.
Upping it's damage would cause it to be more effective in close range, lowering the use and effectiveness of all other CQB weapons.

Adding in button combos.... would be just a terrible idea. It would result in the BR being a close range, mid-range, and far range death machine.

The whole "everybody knew the combos" argument is BS, only a small minority looked up the combos (or learned from their friends), and only an even smaller minority used them on a regular basis.
Jeez, most people don't even memorize button combos included in manuals, unless it is an absolute necessity.
How many people know all of the special moves for every character in Mortal Kombat?


did you even play halo 2? or go in the THC playlist once? Its not hard to memorize BXR and BXB, and half the time you dont even have to think about using them because they are so easy. And those werent even "combos" they were button glitches. No one is asking for there to be glitches in halo 3, although they added a more indepth gameplay imo. We are asking for a more effective BR, because as of now with the terrible netcode in this game, the BR is useless at long range unless you are team bring, and you have to lead your shots when someone is 10 feet away. It also takes 4 shots to kill someone who has no shields that is running away. Then "bullet return" is another issue, when someone is no shields and you put 3 shots in him, and he runs away scot free, and you see your bullets return back to your ammo slots, meaning the game didnt register any of those shots, is unexcusable. there is a video of this of this happening over a LAN connection, which is unspeakable in not only a non-competitive environment, but a tournament environment. And since this is happening on LAN, this problem is much worse over Xbox Live. Ill post videos of this later.


1.Yes, I have played Halo 2 (mostly local customs, didn't have XBL for a LOONG time). I'm just saying that not everyone knew the combos, the majority of the casual crowd would maybe know 1, while they'd be decimated by the "pros" who have only practiced with one weapon.

2. 4 shots to kill without shields? Are you really that bad? 1 headshot is all it takes, and the first bullet always goes straight. It's 4 if you keep aiming at the body. I can usually make a 4 shot within the BR's intended range (3 body, 1 head), if you follow the 3 body, 1 head formula, while firing within the BR's range, then the spread doesn't affect much.

  • 03.26.2009 12:51 PM PDT
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BR is best non power weapon in the game
Cookies...are....Delicious!

i try to use the AR but it pretty much always ends in a beatdown...

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  • 03.26.2009 1:11 PM PDT
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It is not true that there is "nothing" wrong with the BR. Sure it's good but I think it's ridiculous that it has spread. There is no room for "Randomness" in competitive gaming. Sure, to make a game realistic and "fun" you put spread on weapons and random events, but for a game like halo that is competitive and consistent, there should be no random elements such as spread.

I am not saying to take away the instant hit detection. I believe that that was a good addition because at range in halo 2 there was no need to lead off, making it use much less skill. In halo 3 long range BRing takes a lot more skill.

Many people say the spread does not affect anything, but it does. No matter how good you are, it is impossible to consistently four shot at medium/long range. The spread makes it so that randomly bullets will miss the head, causing many people to miss out on a very important four shot. It may not be as noticeable in relaxed, social play, but in upper level ranks it can be very frustrating.

  • 03.26.2009 3:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Quetzocoetl

2. 4 shots to kill without shields? Are you really that bad? 1 headshot is all it takes, and the first bullet always goes straight. It's 4 if you keep aiming at the body. I can usually make a 4 shot within the BR's intended range (3 body, 1 head), if you follow the 3 body, 1 head formula, while firing within the BR's range, then the spread doesn't affect much.


I'd quite like to respond to this point. If someone runs away and looks at he floor then yes it quite possibly can take 3 or 4 shots to finish them off when they are no shields especially online. The registration and magnetism at the back of the head is all messed up and it is way too easy to get into a bad situation and just run away.

As to making the BR more effective at range rendering snipers useless this is a ridiculous argument that is totally flawed. At the moment the sniper is grossly overpowered and at anything over mid-range a sniper can just sit there and laugh uncontested because you can barely land a shot on them. If the BR was single shot with minimal spread it would be more effective at range however it would also be harder to use at all ranges. The BR would still take a minimum of 4 shots to kill, it would still require significant leading at range, it would have way less magnetism at long range, it will be harder to see the target due to less zoom. All these characterisitics make it significantly less effective at range than a sniper. The sniper with its one headshot / two bodyshot kill capability would still be an incredibly powerful weapon in this scenario, just not as grossly overpowered as it is now.

No you cannot usually 4 shot within the BRs intended range, in regular matchmaking nobody can, fact. It takes luck for all 3 bullets from the last burst to land with the final bullet being a headshot, it doesn't matter how good you are if you're not lucky you're not getting a 4 shot. Now in MLG settings this is a bit different as you only need 2 bullets to land from the final burst however I don't think even MLG competitors have high enough 4 shot percentages to claim they 'usually 4 shot'.

  • 03.27.2009 6:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Quetzocoetl

2. 4 shots to kill without shields? Are you really that bad? 1 headshot is all it takes, and the first bullet always goes straight. It's 4 if you keep aiming at the body. I can usually make a 4 shot within the BR's intended range (3 body, 1 head), if you follow the 3 body, 1 head formula, while firing within the BR's range, then the spread doesn't affect much.


I'd quite like to respond to this point. If someone runs away and looks at he floor then yes it quite possibly can take 3 or 4 shots to finish them off when they are no shields especially online. The registration and magnetism at the back of the head is all messed up and it is way too easy to get into a bad situation and just run away.
This, here, is something that has been a part of Halo since day one. Though, it seems odd that this is the only FPS that I can think of that uses this tactic. In Halo:CE, looking down to evade a 3-shot from someone was a tactic that was used frequently. In Halo3, and even Halo2, evading is easier since the BR is only at best a 4-shot. Also, in Halo 3 there is less bullet assist which probably adds to the frustration. But, you have to admit, looking straight down at your feet while blindly guiding through the map can be quite funny.

As to making the BR more effective at range rendering snipers useless this is a ridiculous argument that is totally flawed. At the moment the sniper is grossly overpowered and at anything over mid-range a sniper can just sit there and laugh uncontested because you can barely land a shot on them. If the BR was single shot with minimal spread it would be more effective at range however it would also be harder to use at all ranges. The BR would still take a minimum of 4 shots to kill, it would still require significant leading at range, it would have way less magnetism at long range, it will be harder to see the target due to less zoom. All these characterisitics make it significantly less effective at range than a sniper. The sniper with its one headshot / two bodyshot kill capability would still be an incredibly powerful weapon in this scenario, just not as grossly overpowered as it is now.Sniping in Halo:CE was never a huge nuissance as I believe it should be, but aiming in that game was more about keeping the reticule over the target, rather Halo 3 is more about keeping the center of the reticule over the target (which btw adds to the randomness). But, anyway, Sniping would still be easy, since having the reticule over your target is no longer enough...you must have the center of your reticule over your target. However, with the BR having a very tight spread or a single-shot functionality like the M6D would make standing still while sniping less effective. As it is right now, you can be getting shot or pinged but without any fear of getting BR'd.

No you cannot usually 4 shot within the BRs intended range, in regular matchmaking nobody can, fact. It takes luck for all 3 bullets from the last burst to land with the final bullet being a headshot, it doesn't matter how good you are if you're not lucky you're not getting a 4 shot. Now in MLG settings this is a bit different as you only need 2 bullets to land from the final burst however I don't think even MLG competitors have high enough 4 shot percentages to claim they 'usually 4 shot'.Unfortunately, the "intended range" in our eyes is far too short to fit our desired range, which is kind of why I think every weapon should get a range boost. During MLG matches, well when the pros play, you don't see many 1on1s. Most of the kills are team-oriented. However, I have seen many times where one player had an apparent advantage, not because of the range they were in, but because their reticules were slightly to the side of their target, causing the random spread to determine the winner. Now, some may say, "well, their aim was off so that is on them." Randomness determined the winner. That fact just puts a bad taste in my mouth.

  • 03.27.2009 8:15 AM PDT
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http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/BROmcQhtFzg.html

  • 03.27.2009 1:51 PM PDT

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I'm sorry but I have to admit that I drop back in from time to time to check this thread and I just have to reply to you this time.

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Unfortunately, the "intended range" in our eyes is far too short to fit our desired range, which is kind of why I think every weapon should get a range boost.


Thank God you aren't the Bungie head then, otherwise every playlist would be Team Snipers. :)

During MLG matches, well when the pros play, you don't see many 1on1s. Most of the kills are team-oriented. However, I have seen many times where one player had an apparent advantage, not because of the range they were in, but because their reticules were slightly to the side of their target, causing the random spread to determine the winner. Now, some may say, "well, their aim was off so that is on them." Randomness determined the winner. That fact just puts a bad taste in my mouth.

It's called adjusting for bullet lag, most 'pros' do it. You aim slightly ahead to delay the bullet flying past them, basically it's lining up a shot.

Well I hope I was of help to your conversation.

Please continue. ;)

  • 03.28.2009 7:35 PM PDT

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Thank God you aren't the Bungie head then, otherwise every playlist would be Team Snipers. :)
While I find Sniper games more enjoyable than Default games (mostly because there is no weapon advantage being the determining factor in a fight), I think there is a huge contrast between a Sniper's range and the effective killing range of the BR. I also stated that all weapons should get a range increase. That doesn't really change the balance any...it just makes the range more to some of our likings (mostly those who think the BR's range is too short, which is one of the reasons why it is so random at times)

Hey, but if I WAS head of Bungie...
You would see no Equipment in MM (only in Customs if wanted).
You would see Vehicles better balanced...*points at Halo:CE Vehicles*
You would see the BR and AR be combined into one weapon, keeping the name of AR.
- which would basically combine their functionalities...Automatic with a headshot bonus, with somewhat of a wide spread, but tightens to H2 tightness when burst-fired.
You would see a similar thing with the Carbine
You would see the addition of the M6D Pistol
You would also see the M6C Magnum along with the M6G, both of which would have 0 randomness.
You would see the remaining single shot weapons have 0 randomness.
You would see the SMG have more powerful bullets with an increase of range.
You would see the Melee kill only when the shields are out, keeping the double beatdown.
You would see similar or less magnetism and auto-aim.
- which would also make using the M6D harder, in case you're wondering.
You would see the new AR/BRish weapon be the Default spawn weapon.
You would see more symmetrically balanced maps.
You would see a more predictable spawn system where the locations depend on the gametype.
You would see use of a more simplistic and difficult ranking system that makes sense.
You would see more customization with the gametype settings and Forge.

I think I got carried away, and I'm sure I could think of more improvements.

I guess, for you, it WOULD be a bad thing if I was head of Bungie, huh. ; )

During MLG matches, well when the pros play, you don't see many 1on1s. Most of the kills are team-oriented. However, I have seen many times where one player had an apparent advantage, not because of the range they were in, but because their reticules were slightly to the side of their target, causing the random spread to determine the winner. Now, some may say, "well, their aim was off so that is on them." Randomness determined the winner. That fact just puts a bad taste in my mouth.

It's called adjusting for bullet lag, most 'pros' do it. You aim slightly ahead to delay the bullet flying past them, basically it's lining up a shot.

Well I hope I was of help to your conversation.

Please continue. ;)

I'm slightly unsure of what you meant. I'll assume you meant having to lead. My point was I have seen 1on1 fights, which tend to usually be at closer ranges, where you get a sense of confusion as to why a person lost. Like a feeling of disbelief. It's not because of poor aim. It's because one person had a random spread as the 4th shot that favored his aim, while the one who lost had a random spread that didn't favor his aim.

  • 03.28.2009 8:22 PM PDT

it could be worse, it could be call of duty. but besides that, if it werent for the BR it would be about who is better.

  • 03.28.2009 8:59 PM PDT

BR vs AR

BR has scope. Ar has binoculars like every other gun w/o scope.

Br can kill 3 peoples in 1 clip, AR can kill 2.

people say the Br spreads too much, well the Ar spreads more if u don't pump.

a pumped head shot AR can kill a Br faster, but vary few people know this.

a Br at long range will kill an AR at long range/ (excluding children who suffer from mental defficiencys or lack of thumbs.)

the Br can kill the AR at close range too as long as u can aim, if u say its harder, you suck at the Br you should give up for sucking so much with your best weapon.

the BR can be shortcutes in its reload animation, the AR can not.

the Ar can shot smack faster than the BR but keep in mind if your bringing a BR into a close ranged area, your either a noob, or a BR whore and need to put it away for a damn second instead of be soo damn reliant of your equpment to win.

u can say i suck based on my scores and career status, but i know im better because i never uses no one weapon for my wins, i pick what ever weapon is in front of me (excluding the plasma pistol.)

WHY? because its takes skill to use the weapon closest to you as aposed to gaining weapon control to win.

i like to chalange Br with SMg's and pistols, why? because if your good they actualy kill faster.

i use the carbine as my long range, because when i kill i know it was my aim not my spray that killed them, and once again it kills faster if your good.

the Br is not the strongest nor fastest weapon in the game, but it is by far the easiest to you, because all weapons have a catch, you have to learn multiple skills to use most weapons

rocket: aim + leading is essential
sniper: aiming(large) + no-scoping is essential
laser: aiming + precharging is essential
SMG: aiming + pumping (note few know about pumping)
pistol: aiming with an extremely under-handed auto-aim
spiker: aiming +leading
needler: aiming + leading
sword: aiming(little) +timing + radar reading
shotgun: aiming(little) + radar reading
AR: aiming + beat-down timing + pumping

BR: aiming(more than little, but less than normal)

as u can see, the BR only requiers one skill that is learned easy! if you say its hard to learn how to aim the BR you are probably a newbie at FPS. if your not, you probably have a thumb dissorder or mental dissorder, if not, you just plain suck!

i don't like the BR because it does not requireme to work at all for my kill. there is no fun, it is just who sees who first, and d-one. no chalange. nothing. and thats not what halo is about, halo is about showmanship, about sportsmanship.

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Posted by: MOOdapiller
BR vs AR

BR has scope. Ar has binoculars like every other gun w/o scope.

Br can kill 3 peoples in 1 clip, AR can kill 2.

people say the Br spreads too much, well the Ar spreads more if u don't pump.

a pumped head shot AR can kill a Br faster, but vary few people know this.

a Br at long range will kill an AR at long range/ (excluding children who suffer from mental defficiencys or lack of thumbs.)

the Br can kill the AR at close range too as long as u can aim, if u say its harder, you suck at the Br you should give up for sucking so much with your best weapon.

the BR can be shortcutes in its reload animation, the AR can not.

the Ar can shot smack faster than the BR but keep in mind if your bringing a BR into a close ranged area, your either a noob, or a BR whore and need to put it away for a damn second instead of be soo damn reliant of your equpment to win.

u can say i suck based on my scores and career status, but i know im better because i never uses no one weapon for my wins, i pick what ever weapon is in front of me (excluding the plasma pistol.)

WHY? because its takes skill to use the weapon closest to you as aposed to gaining weapon control to win.

i like to chalange Br with SMg's and pistols, why? because if your good they actualy kill faster.

i use the carbine as my long range, because when i kill i know it was my aim not my spray that killed them, and once again it kills faster if your good.

the Br is not the strongest nor fastest weapon in the game, but it is by far the easiest to you, because all weapons have a catch, you have to learn multiple skills to use most weapons

rocket: aim + leading is essential
sniper: aiming(large) + no-scoping is essential
laser: aiming + precharging is essential
SMG: aiming + pumping (note few know about pumping)
pistol: aiming with an extremely under-handed auto-aim
spiker: aiming +leading
needler: aiming + leading
sword: aiming(little) +timing + radar reading
shotgun: aiming(little) + radar reading
AR: aiming + beat-down timing + pumping

BR: aiming(more than little, but less than normal)

as u can see, the BR only requiers one skill that is learned easy! if you say its hard to learn how to aim the BR you are probably a newbie at FPS. if your not, you probably have a thumb dissorder or mental dissorder, if not, you just plain suck!

i don't like the BR because it does not requireme to work at all for my kill. there is no fun, it is just who sees who first, and d-one. no chalange. nothing. and thats not what halo is about, halo is about showmanship, about sportsmanship.
quoted for being epically correct, oh and btw this forum is pretty much for complaints on the br, i seriously don't like the br AT ALL to easy to use the carbine owns it, but 100 pages i doubt there going to change anything

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  • 03.28.2009 10:59 PM PDT

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Unfreakenbelievable!!

Normally I would resist in replying to posts with such flawed logic and completely biased statements, but this post just simply made me ROTFL. I'm not here to flame, but sorry if I offend anyone in advance. And most of what I post will be fact, in case you're wondering.

Posted by: MOOdapiller

BR vs ARThe topic is interesting, but it is also over-discussed. I'd rather see M6G vs AR posts...at least that way the effectiveness of both weapons can be compared.

BR has scope. Ar has binoculars like every other gun w/o scope.And now we know. And knowing is half the battle.

Br can kill 3 peoples in 1 clip, AR can kill 2.The BR has 36 rounds/magazine, which means that it does indeed allow for 3 kills per clip since it kills in 12 rounds. However, since that only includes kills with a headshot and the 4-shot range is quite limited, it is realistically only 2 kills per clip. Noone in the right mind will ever get 3 4-shot kills in one clip. And, with body shots, which means 18 rounds per kill, there are only 2 kills per clip, and a 1 kill per clip with all body shots if a random bullet misses.

The AR, on the other hand, has 32 rounds/magazine, which means that it does indeed allow for 2 kills per clip since it kills in 16 rounds. However, since the AR's range is limited, it realistically only allows for 1 kill per clip.

With Grenades and Melees, this is different for both weapons.

people say the Br spreads too much, well the Ar spreads more if u don't pump.This is true...very true.

a pumped head shot AR can kill a Br faster, but vary few people know this.The AR doesn't have a headshot bonus, so a headshot AR makes you miss more bullets instead. And, the AR only kills faster than the BR, when the opponent is without grenades at close-range.

a Br at long range will kill an AR at long range/ (excluding children who suffer from mental defficiencys or lack of thumbs.)This is true...very true. Especially about the not having thumbs part.

the Br can kill the AR at close range too as long as u can aim, if u say its harder, you suck at the Br you should give up for sucking so much with your best weapon.Actually, you can't kill an AR-wielder with a BR at close-range, unless you are assisted by a Grenade or teammate or the classic Melee+Headshot.

the BR can be shortcutes in its reload animation, the AR can not.This is false...very false.

the Ar can shot smack faster than the BR but keep in mind if your bringing a BR into a close ranged area, your either a noob, or a BR whore and need to put it away for a damn second instead of be soo damn reliant of your equpment to win. Actually, "noobs" would not be using a BR in the first place, because they are oblivious about the fact that the BR is more effective. And, a "BR whore," as you so put it, would be using the BR for good reasons. With Grenades, the BR beats everything. It is also a very good team-weapon. When I die at close-range with a BR, it is because of 3 things: lag, no grenades, and got surprised unprepared to fight. However, if someone is out of Grenades, they should definitely use another weapon when going in for a close-ranged fight...they would be dumb to do otherwise. (And, as a Male, I rely on my equipment all the time. : )

u can say i suck based on my scores and career status, but i know im better because i never uses no one weapon for my wins, i pick what ever weapon is in front of me (excluding the plasma pistol.)So, let me get this right...you are better because you use no one weapon and you pick up whatever is in front of you. That really has nothing to do with skill. It has to do with how you use those other weapons. Teams who tend to carry BRs more will have easier wins since that weapon isn't as limited as much as the others. Does that mean they suck even though they won? No. They used the weapons more wisely.

And, if your scores or career stats are poor like you make them out to be, then maybe you shouldn't rely so much on close-ranged weapons which limit how good you can do in a game. And, if you are good at the game, which is most likely the case, then using the BR more could improve your stats. But, if you prefer to use harder weapons like the M6G, or Carbine (which is more limited to when you can use it), over the BR, then more power to you. I, for one, no longer need to pick up a BR, unless it's Objective, because I have my trusty Magnum.

BTW, I use the Plasma Pistol frequently, even in BR starts. The weapon is very effective, if you use it correctly. But, I suppose it may be too hard for you since it requires leading.

WHY? because its takes skill to use the weapon closest to you as aposed to gaining weapon control to win.So, you support BR starts, then? I doubt it, but by saying that you oppose gaining weapon control to win, which btw isn't just the BR, you imply that you are a mid-ranged, headshot capable weapon (like the BR) start supporter.

And, hate to break it to you, but close-ranged battles actually decrease the skill gap. This doesn't mean that it can't be skillful. Close range is just a danger zone for death. The better player will always have a greater chance at dieing within this range as compared to mid to long range. This goes for fighting in general.

i like to chalange Br with SMg's and pistols, why? because if your good they actualy kill faster.Only within a certain range and dual-wielded. But, the M6G only kills faster if it is dual-wielded with a plasma-based weapon. Even dual M6Gs kill slower than a normal BR, and with less range. However, I do indeed use the M6G frequently (though only singled. I dislike dualing) and am very successful against other BR users. But, that's because I have a consistent 5-shot and the BR usually ends up being a 5-shot anyway.

i use the carbine as my long range, because when i kill i know it was my aim not my spray that killed them, and once again it kills faster if your good.Well, to be fair, if you miss, its fast rate of fire will save you. With the BR, that isn't the case, nor is it with the M6G Magnum. But, the BR does indeed allow for kills based on its wide spread (though only against unshielded enemies). On the other hand, I have been known to accidentally betray my teammate because of the M6G's random bullets, and the same goes for the Carbine. They are all random, which means the spread can save your poor aim sometimes.

the Br is not the strongest nor fastest weapon in the game, but it is by far the easiest to you, because all weapons have a catch, you have to learn multiple skills to use most weapons

rocket: aim + leading is essential
sniper: aiming(large) + no-scoping is essential
laser: aiming + precharging is essential
SMG: aiming + pumping (note few know about pumping)
pistol: aiming with an extremely under-handed auto-aim
spiker: aiming +leading
needler: aiming + leading
sword: aiming(little) +timing + radar reading
shotgun: aiming(little) + radar reading
AR: aiming + beat-down timing + pumping

BR: aiming(more than little, but less than normal)

as u can see, the BR only requiers one skill that is learned easy! if you say its hard to learn how to aim the BR you are probably a newbie at FPS. if your not, you probably have a thumb dissorder or mental dissorder, if not, you just plain suck!
Your flaw with this logic is that close-ranged weapons are limited to close-range. Yes, the BR is the easiest to use at mid-range, well simply because it is one of only 3 weapons designed for it. Killing close-range-wielders with a BR is indeed easy at mid and long ranges.

And, of course this list is also biased. To be good with the BR it requires motion (strafing and jumping), timing, aiming (as in for bodyshots and headshots), awareness of radar and map, grenade throwing, and meleeing. All the weapons require about the same amount of skills, excluding aiming for the head.

i don't like the BR because it does not requireme to work at all for my kill. there is no fun, it is just who sees who first, and d-one. no chalange. nothing. and thats not what halo is about, halo is about showmanship, about sportsmanship.How did "sportsmanship" make it into this post?

Anyway, this is opinion, so there is no right or wrong. But, I will say this, though...the BR having a random spread decreases the amount of "who sees who first" gameplay. This is mainly because a bullet tends to miss a lot due to randomness. In Halo2, this gameplay was due to the BR's 3-bullet burst and a huge amount of magnetism/auto-aim. In Halo:CE, against good players this was sometimes the case due to the magnetism/auto-aim, but you could also dodge the bullet since it didn't have 2 other bullets that could potentially hit you.

What made Halo great for me, was the feeling I got while using the M6D Pistol. Everytime I killed someone or died I knew that it was because of my aim. And, single-shot headshots seem to be so satisfying, which is kind of why I dislike the current design of the BR and the design of the H2 BR, and why I prefer to use the M6G over the BR.


WHEW! That was a mouthfull of goodness.

Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
quoted for being epically correct
Thank you for the laugh. That made my day.

[Edited on 03.29.2009 2:27 AM PDT]

  • 03.29.2009 12:39 AM PDT

It is not never falling that makes us strong,
It is rising every time we fall.

- Ghandi

IF YOU SEND ME A GROUP INVITE I WILL BLOCK YOU

I'm slightly unsure of what you meant. I'll assume you meant having to lead. My point was I have seen 1on1 fights, which tend to usually be at closer ranges, where you get a sense of confusion as to why a person lost. Like a feeling of disbelief. It's not because of poor aim. It's because one person had a random spread as the 4th shot that favored his aim, while the one who lost had a random spread that didn't favor his aim.

You mean 1 vs 1 BR strafing battles? Well that is again down to aiming ahead, you strafe sideways, crouch and jump faster than the BR can really be used as it's at such a close range. Meaning basically you have the wrong weapon for the job, a Carbine would be far more effective here or if you are in standard TS I'd advise an AR or Pistols. In any case you do realise random means random right? If something is random it can't favor something, like a player, team or otherwise. I still don't see any issues with the BR.

  • 03.29.2009 7:39 AM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Air Sparrow
I'm slightly unsure of what you meant. I'll assume you meant having to lead. My point was I have seen 1on1 fights, which tend to usually be at closer ranges, where you get a sense of confusion as to why a person lost. Like a feeling of disbelief. It's not because of poor aim. It's because one person had a random spread as the 4th shot that favored his aim, while the one who lost had a random spread that didn't favor his aim.

You mean 1 vs 1 BR strafing battles? Well that is again down to aiming ahead, you strafe sideways, crouch and jump faster than the BR can really be used as it's at such a close range. Meaning basically you have the wrong weapon for the job, a Carbine would be far more effective here or if you are in standard TS I'd advise an AR or Pistols. In any case you do realise random means random right? If something is random it can't favor something, like a player, team or otherwise. I still don't see any issues with the BR.
Thank you for the lesson...

Randomness, in case you're interested.
And, I was referring to particular fights, which are indeed determined by randomness at times. I was not referring to an entire game or an entire course of a tournament. However, randomness can randomly favor a team randomly, though unliikely. That's kind of the nature of randomness. What you are talking about is that randomness is not biased toward one side, which I agree and would kind of defeat the purpose of what randomness is.

You don't see any issues with this randomness, because you have experienced gaming in a different way than I have, and therefore have developed different views than I have.

I find predictability more fun, since it is less frustrating. Frustration isn't good for gaming in my opinion. Now maybe to you it isn't frustrating or you are fine with this frustration of losing and gaining kills based on randomness. And maybe I got spoiled a bit with Halo:CE.

Our opinions are different about how it should be. But, it is fact that the randomness affects a player randomly, and that can be frustrating to some. Halo 3 is by far the most frustrating out of the series. That, to me, is poor design decisions.

[Edited on 03.29.2009 8:23 AM PDT]

  • 03.29.2009 8:18 AM PDT

yeah if you guys can't get kills with the BR, I think YOU'RE broken. The BR is waaaay too good compared to every other gun in the game. It's too useful in any situation, and there are too many of them (plus there are too many BR starts).

  • 03.29.2009 8:52 AM PDT

I dont think there should be a BR thread as most people enjoy it, there should be an AR thread, that would kick up some stink

  • 03.30.2009 10:18 AM PDT

double flawed logic. your discredidation to my 3 kill BR and 2 kill AR is refering to the weapons capabilitys. you mad a big mistake by takeing in account player skill because if that were the case, you could put 4 MLG pro's with plasma pistols only against 4 thumbless orphans with rocket launchers and conclude that the plasma pistol is better. (sorry but thats way wrong.)

my career stats are decent. i have a positive k.o. spread and by what ive seen i have the most balances weapon of destruction that i have ever seen (Br at the top and beat downs, etc. but they are more evenly distributed than most.)


"Your flaw with this logic is that close-ranged weapons are limited to close-range. Yes, the BR is the easiest to use at mid-range, well simply because it is one of only 3 weapons designed for it. Killing close-range-wielders with a BR is indeed easy at mid and long ranges.

And, of course this list is also biased. To be good with the BR it requires motion (strafing and jumping), timing, aiming (as in for bodyshots and headshots), awareness of radar and map, grenade throwing, and meleeing. All the weapons require about the same amount of skills, excluding aiming for the head."

once again, you added an unnecesary variable, strafing and all those other things you listed apply to every weapon, i listed only those that apply exclusivly to the weapon. its not your foult u issenterpruted, i did not clarafy.


FYI: you can skit the BR reload animation, i do it all the time.


once again your logic is flawed in not realising that if you bring a knife to a sword fight, and the knife wins, obviously the knife wielder is the better fighter, and by me using what ever is infront of me, this mean i am constantly fighting Br at long range with a pistol, shotguns at close range with a sniper. and a bear fist to a tank fight. (strategic movement)


im not saying that if you use a Br u suck, but if you rely on the br so much, you need it to get most of your kills, you are a noob.


another missunderstanding you have, you obviously dont know the difference between a "noob" and a "newbie" a "noob is fully awear of the BR's power and capabilitys. because a "noob" is a player who has played the game for a long time yet still has the same skill level as a "newbie." a "newbie is just someone who is new to anything.


and to conclude your missunderstanding, if we were to argue between the AR and the SMG you would get flaged, why? because this is the "BR thread" therefore the BR must be involved some how.


lastly, to all you Br thumbers who say it spread to much or something is wrong with it.

if the BR sucks so much, and needs to be improved so much, WHY IN GODS NAME DO U USE IT? are you retarded or are u awear tha it is obviously the best weapon, and for you to ask bungie to make the weapon better is soo errogant and noobish. bungie sprad it to balance it, and it still is over powerd, for you to need it upgreaded just prove how much you suck. it is the equivilant of asking for a bigger rocket clip and non betraying/suciding rockets.


in conclusion i am not offended by anyone. btw, and i hope i did not offend you. (whom ever i quoted)

all i want is for people to admit that the Br is a noob weapon, and id be fine.
i dont care if bungie adds an automatic sniper/shotgun- that has a 45 round clip with 1shot kill powers as long as everyone aknoleges that only people who need a weapon to compensate for their lack of skill use it.

  • 03.30.2009 5:11 PM PDT

Posted by: CAPTAIN quick
yeah if you guys can't get kills with the BR, I think YOU'RE broken. The BR is waaaay too good compared to every other gun in the game. It's too useful in any situation, and there are too many of them (plus there are too many BR starts).


this guy knows what the game is about!

could be said better any other way

  • 03.30.2009 5:14 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

*facepalm* This is the dumbest discussion I have ever had.

Posted by: MOOdapiller
...something illegible...
Is your keyboard broke, or is English not your first language?

once again, you added an unnecesary variable, strafing and all those other things you listed apply to every weapon, i listed only those that apply exclusivly to the weapon. its not your foult u issenterpruted, i did not clarafy.And to this, I say this:All the weapons require about the same amount of skills, excluding aiming for the head.Yeah, I said that.

FYI: you can skit the BR reload animation, i do it all the time.Are you talking about switching weapons or Meleeing right after your hand puts in the new magazine? Yeah, I knew that. I have known that since 2001 when I began playing Halo. Also, that works for all guns that need to reload.

im not saying that if you use a Br u suck, but if you rely on the br so much, you need it to get most of your kills, you are a noob.If you need a BR to get all your kills with, then chances are, you can't use a BR either. The BR is harder to use than most of the weapons.

another missunderstanding you have, you obviously dont know the difference between a "noob" and a "newbie" a "noob is fully awear of the BR's power and capabilitys. because a "noob" is a player who has played the game for a long time yet still has the same skill level as a "newbie." a "newbie is just someone who is new to anything.Yeah, I knew that, too. Am I sounding like a broken record? This doesn't stop a "noob" from refusing to use the more effective weapon. I have played against many Colonels who only used ARs on Valhala.

all i want is for people to admit that the Br is a noob weapon, and id be fine.
i dont care if bungie adds an automatic sniper/shotgun- that has a 45 round clip with 1shot kill powers as long as everyone aknoleges that only people who need a weapon to compensate for their lack of skill use it.
And, not once did you actually explain why in your opinion it is a noob weapon. Is it because it has more range than most of the weapons? Is it because of how easy it is to finish off unshielded opponents due to its spread? Is it because it is easy to hit your target due to its spread? Is it because it can be used at all ranges, excluding Sniper range? You seem to be stuck on "because it is easy." Not a very good reason. Many weapons are easy, WITHIN THEIR INTENDED RANGES. That's the thing. You seem to think using close-ranged weapons are more skillful when fighting the BR. Well, outside their intended range, the BR is obviously easier against them.

If you want to use close-ranged weapons against longer ranged weapons, and believe you will be successful, then more power to you.




If anyone else is reading this discussion, I truly apologize. Hopefully you got a good laugh out of it, but I think I am now going to take a step back while I still have my dignity. : )

[Edited on 03.30.2009 6:14 PM PDT]

  • 03.30.2009 6:08 PM PDT