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Subject: The Only BR Thread

If you have any problems whatsoever that you are complaining about, please, stop complaining and get the f**k over it. :)

the BR is looks and acts fine

  • 03.30.2009 6:40 PM PDT

If you can't do without a BR, then you're not as pro as you think.

  • 03.31.2009 3:45 AM PDT

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BR greatest gun in the game!!

Nuff said!

  • 03.31.2009 4:15 AM PDT

BEWARE! Even Grunts can own you on Ledgendary.......

the BR is the gun for ppl who can actually AIM. it takes skill to use a BR right. its the best in the game.

  • 03.31.2009 6:50 AM PDT

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I like the Carbine better so Yes I would say it's fine how it is

  • 03.31.2009 7:07 AM PDT
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The halo 3 BR is fine how it is... I was fine with the halo 2 BR until everyone started double shotting and such noob tricks as that The halo 3 Br can still take out any charching assault rifle noob in the area :)

  • 03.31.2009 10:13 AM PDT

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The BR should be less frequent

  • 03.31.2009 5:17 PM PDT
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Its fine how it is.

  • 03.31.2009 5:24 PM PDT

i seriously can't believe people still post in this thread...

  • 03.31.2009 9:02 PM PDT

BEWARE! Even Grunts can own you on Ledgendary.......

the only thing wrong with it is it only has 4 spare clips, and the ar has about 15. what were they thinking putting so little ammo?

  • 04.01.2009 5:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: KingLeonidaz369
the only thing wrong with it is it only has 4 spare clips, and the ar has about 15. what were they thinking putting so little ammo?


Yeah they should increase the ammo to 52 rounds but keep the 4 clips!

  • 04.01.2009 10:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: KingLeonidaz369
the only thing wrong with it is it only has 4 spare clips, and the ar has about 15. what were they thinking putting so little ammo?


Yeah they should increase the ammo to 52 rounds but keep the 4 clips!
BTW, the rounds in a clip for the BR should be divisible by 3.

And, just for clarification, the BR has a max ammunition of 36 rounds/mag and 3 magazines, rather the AR has a max ammunition of 32 rounds/mag and 12 magazines.

Also, running short of ammo with both the BR and AR is of a rare occurrence. If there was a larger skill gap in this game, then maybe I would notice this "running out of ammo" issue a little more frequently.

  • 04.01.2009 4:33 PM PDT

The Carbine is better than the BR
It's harder to use, takes more skill, and more shot leading
plus it kills faster

  • 04.01.2009 6:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ryu Wes
The Carbine is better than the BR
It's harder to use, takes more skill, and more shot leading
plus it kills faster


However it has a larger random spread than the BR.

You see, the fact is that skill is not down to what weapon you are using or one weapon being more skillful than another, it's being able to use all weapons effectively and efficiently and working with your team along with mastery of movement and tactics.

  • 04.01.2009 8:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Air Sparrow
Posted by: Ryu Wes
The Carbine is better than the BR
It's harder to use, takes more skill, and more shot leading
plus it kills faster


However it has a larger random spread than the BR.
The spread width between the BR and Carbine are not much different. It's just that with the BR, you can hit someone from farther away easier; the time it takes to kill someone at similar ranges are still about the same. However, since the BR is easier to hit someone at longer ranges, it makes it more effective against the Sniper.

Some people need to understand that the RoF has a play in something being "harder" to use. The Carbine has a very fast rate of fire and therefore isn't much harder to use than the BR. A missed shot from the Carbine does not punish you as much as a missed shot with the BR and M6G does, in other words.

You see, the fact is that skill is not down to what weapon you are using or one weapon being more skillful than another, it's being able to use all weapons effectively and efficiently and working with your team along with mastery of movement and tactics. You shouldn't really state that as fact.

Anyway, looking at something as being "skillful" has to do with the scenario and the weapon involved. For example, BR vs. BR, AR vs. AR, and Sword vs. Sword are all skillful fights; the better player within that use of weapon will usually win. A BR 4sk against an AR-wielder outside of the AR's intended range is an unskilled fight (however, skillful for the AR user), and a BR 4sk against an AR-wielder inside of the AR's intended range is a skillful fight (however, unskillful for the AR user). Complicated stuff, huh? In other words, it is mostly about weapon advantage; if you are at the advantage then it is unskillful and if you are at the disadvantage then it is skillful.

I agree with your sentiment on "skill"; though, it really wasn't about this. "Skill," in FPSs, has to do with how good a player is able to adapt to situations and use their weapons efficiently. It's mostly about gaming-smarts. However, if you are a smart player with a lack of headshot abilities, then your "skill" is kind of limited.

  • 04.01.2009 9:21 PM PDT

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The Br is a beautiful thing. I think people have problems with it only when there is lag. It's a precise weapon. So any kind of lag can force you to take 1 or more extra shots giving the other team more time to kill you. Try playing system link.

  • 04.02.2009 12:03 AM PDT

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  • 04.02.2009 7:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
The spread width between the BR and Carbine are not much different. It's just that with the BR, you can hit someone from farther away easier; the time it takes to kill someone at similar ranges are still about the same. However, since the BR is easier to hit someone at longer ranges, it makes it more effective against the Sniper.

Some people need to understand that the RoF has a play in something being "harder" to use. The Carbine has a very fast rate of fire and therefore isn't much harder to use than the BR. A missed shot from the Carbine does not punish you as much as a missed shot with the BR and M6G does, in other words.


Fair Enough, I can't argue with that. However you should note that at a close range the Carbine will always come out on top due to the much more rapid rate of fire.

You shouldn't really state that as fact.

Anyway, looking at something as being "skillful" has to do with the scenario and the weapon involved. For example, BR vs. BR, AR vs. AR, and Sword vs. Sword are all skillful fights; the better player within that use of weapon will usually win. A BR 4sk against an AR-wielder outside of the AR's intended range is an unskilled fight (however, skillful for the AR user), and a BR 4sk against an AR-wielder inside of the AR's intended range is a skillful fight (however, unskillful for the AR user). Complicated stuff, huh? In other words, it is mostly about weapon advantage; if you are at the advantage then it is unskillful and if you are at the disadvantage then it is skillful.


You are completely missing the point. BR vs AR isn't skillful? How about the fact that the BR user chose to use a BR when the opponent is using an AR? That's weapon matchup effectiveness and that is skill. What about his positioning not to stand near anything explosive or any long falls? That's map knowledge, that's skillful. What about not taking on more than one enemy at once? That's playing smart, that's skillful.

People think that skill is purely down to aim and reflexes well here's a truth. Skill is more than that, it's thinking up new uses for old weapons, vehicles and equipment, it's knowing the map like the back of your hand, it's assisting a team mate when they need it and knowing when to not bother them, it's predicting the enemy and much more than all of that. What is skill? Skill is using anything inside of the game effectively and efficiently in order to win.

I agree with your sentiment on "skill"; though, it really wasn't about this. "Skill," in FPSs, has to do with how good a player is able to adapt to situations and use their weapons efficiently. It's mostly about gaming-smarts. However, if you are a smart player with a lack of headshot abilities, then your "skill" is kind of limited.

You could go as far as to break down skill into several different groups, however each one crosses over with the other groups:

Ability: Having good aim, movement, timing and reflexes.
Knowledge: Knowing the maps, the vehicles and the weapons in effectiveness, suitability and value, knowing your opponent also .
Mindset: Being able to use the game physics to your advantage, spontaneous tactical jumps, countering and knowing grenade trajectory.
Determination: Wanting to win, working with your team mates well.

Anything you do in Halo is broken into these four groups, besides Luck/Chance. Most people only think that the first two, especially the top one are what 'skill' is.

I hope this provides a little insight.

[Edited on 04.02.2009 12:22 PM PDT]

  • 04.02.2009 12:20 PM PDT

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OK, Mr. Sparrow. I'm not going to comment on the whole "skill" debate, because, quite frankly, I agreed; and, it has to do more with the perception one takes while looking at it.

But let's get this whole Carbine vs. BR debate over with: which one is more effective within the close-mid ranged scenario, when used with the same amount of aim precision; BR or Carbine?
Posted by: Air Sparrow
Posted by: Jiggly Luv
The spread width between the BR and Carbine are not much different. It's just that with the BR, you can hit someone from farther away easier; the time it takes to kill someone at similar ranges are still about the same. However, since the BR is easier to hit someone at longer ranges, it makes it more effective against the Sniper.

Some people need to understand that the RoF has a play in something being "harder" to use. The Carbine has a very fast rate of fire and therefore isn't much harder to use than the BR. A missed shot from the Carbine does not punish you as much as a missed shot with the BR and M6G does, in other words.


Fair Enough, I can't argue with that. However you should note that at a close range the Carbine will always come out on top due to the much more rapid rate of fire.

This test that I performed proves that the BR actually kills slightly quicker than the Carbine; this does not include the use of a modded controller.

The testing procedure was as follows: 5 tests per weapon, lowest and highest values dropped for the sake of human imperfection, the average of the middle 3 tests. The testing medium was as follows: on top-mid of Guardian, against an AFK user at nose-to-nose range, on a split-screen local connection.

BR ( 4-shot kill )
:01.514

Carbine ( 8-shot kill )
:01.550

M6G Magnum ( 5-shot kill )
:01.889


As you can see from the testing data, the Carbine is indeed slower than the BR at close-range. Take note that the times listed were rounded to the nearest 1000th of a second. Also, notice that the Magnum as a 5-shot is only about .4 seconds slower than the BR's 4-shot.

One cool stat is that if you calculate the RoF speed, you will find that the BR's and M6G's RoF is accurately the same. I found that extremely interesting, considering how many complaints there are regarding the M6G's slow RoF.

Now, that this is settled, it is up to the player to decide which weapon they find more enjoyable to use. I, personally, like using the Carbine more than the BR, but that has to do with its single-shot functionality more than anything.

Hopefully, this test cleared up the whole "BR vs. Carbine" debate.

Have a good day. : )

[Edited on 04.02.2009 6:19 PM PDT]

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BR greatest gun in the game!!

Nuff said!

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  • 04.02.2009 9:50 PM PDT

i think you may want to reread what u typed. because you most definatly did not "say that" as you so vagly discribed. secondly, if anyone reads these post im sure they will realise how in appropriate you are being, your beligerence is more than obvious for me to repot you. but then again i cant blame you for being angry considering i am discrediting with perfect logic your favorite weapon, which being the same weapon than you can not use well enough to get past a colonel rank.

i already apologized if i had offended you but obviously your estrogen levels are far too high to remain objective. (J.I.C. men do also have estrogen, and even boys.)

try to shortcut the reload for the brute shot. i dare you.

im sorry to break this to you, and there is no way i could say this without hurting your fealings. but obviously you cant use the BR as well as i can if you for even a second contemplate if the Br is easier that every other weapon, here u want flawless logic? if it werent the easiest, why would it be the prefered? its the favorite for a reason. and just like the most popular girl in school, the BR only got there because "she" is easy.

now you can make fun of my spelling as much as you like but anyone who reads all of your replys will see your contredicton, and in debate, its not the spelling but the message that counts.

good day, if you want to keep arguing i sugest you "keep your cool" and bring up VALID arguments as to WHY the BR is NOT overpowered or easier than any other weapon. and i will do my best to rebutle.

  • 04.02.2009 9:55 PM PDT

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  • 04.02.2009 9:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Ryu Wes
The Carbine is better than the BR
It's harder to use, takes more skill, and more shot leading
plus it kills faster


seee this guy knows

  • 04.02.2009 9:59 PM PDT

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Unfreakenbelievable!!

I really am truly sorry, MOOdapiller, if you read me as being aggressive.

  • 04.02.2009 11:22 PM PDT