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Subject: The Only BR Thread

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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
This test that I performed proves that the BR actually kills slightly quicker than the Carbine; this does not include the use of a modded controller.

The testing procedure was as follows: 5 tests per weapon, lowest and highest values dropped for the sake of human imperfection, the average of the middle 3 tests. The testing medium was as follows: on top-mid of Guardian, against an AFK user at nose-to-nose range, on a split-screen local connection.

BR ( 4-shot kill )
:01.514

Carbine ( 8-shot kill )
:01.550

M6G Magnum ( 5-shot kill )
:01.889


As you can see from the testing data, the Carbine is indeed slower than the BR at close-range. Take note that the times listed were rounded to the nearest 1000th of a second. Also, notice that the Magnum as a 5-shot is only about .4 seconds slower than the BR's 4-shot.

One cool stat is that if you calculate the RoF speed, you will find that the BR's and M6G's RoF is accurately the same. I found that extremely interesting, considering how many complaints there are regarding the M6G's slow RoF.

Now, that this is settled, it is up to the player to decide which weapon they find more enjoyable to use. I, personally, like using the Carbine more than the BR, but that has to do with its single-shot functionality more than anything.

Hopefully, this test cleared up the whole "BR vs. Carbine" debate.

Have a good day. : )


I don't have anything to say to that. Other than the fact that I've tested this with a few friends over Live on Guardian in the top center of the map. Now we would stand facing each other and begin shooting at the same time, the Carbine would always come out on top up to a range of the distance across the entire center platform. Further than that though and it would miss shots and be beaten.

But that's just my experience, it could just be lag causing it for all I know.

Also I believe that the Carbine is a 7 shot kill.

[Edited on 04.03.2009 8:16 AM PDT]

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  • 04.03.2009 11:19 AM PDT

Posted by: Air Sparrow
Posted by: Jiggly Luv
This test that I performed proves that the BR actually kills slightly quicker than the Carbine; this does not include the use of a modded controller.

The testing procedure was as follows: 5 tests per weapon, lowest and highest values dropped for the sake of human imperfection, the average of the middle 3 tests. The testing medium was as follows: on top-mid of Guardian, against an AFK user at nose-to-nose range, on a split-screen local connection.

BR ( 4-shot kill )
:01.514

Carbine ( 8-shot kill )
:01.550

M6G Magnum ( 5-shot kill )
:01.889


As you can see from the testing data, the Carbine is indeed slower than the BR at close-range. Take note that the times listed were rounded to the nearest 1000th of a second. Also, notice that the Magnum as a 5-shot is only about .4 seconds slower than the BR's 4-shot.

One cool stat is that if you calculate the RoF speed, you will find that the BR's and M6G's RoF is accurately the same. I found that extremely interesting, considering how many complaints there are regarding the M6G's slow RoF.

Now, that this is settled, it is up to the player to decide which weapon they find more enjoyable to use. I, personally, like using the Carbine more than the BR, but that has to do with its single-shot functionality more than anything.

Hopefully, this test cleared up the whole "BR vs. Carbine" debate.

Have a good day. : )


I don't have anything to say to that. Other than the fact that I've tested this with a few friends over Live on Guardian in the top center of the map. Now we would stand facing each other and begin shooting at the same time, the Carbine would always come out on top up to a range of the distance across the entire center platform. Further than that though and it would miss shots and be beaten.

But that's just my experience, it could just be lag causing it for all I know.

Also I believe that the Carbine is a 7 shot kill.


the Carbine does kill faster than the BR his data is wrong or maybe he just has a slow trigger finger from using the Br so much. the magnum is not that much slower than the other either but it is the slowest. unless you duel wield the pistols then it is 7 head shots with the duals but u shoot two at a time making it 4 head shots instead of 5. then the pistol kills faster than the BR, but i never compaird it to the carbine...

  • 04.03.2009 3:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: MOOdapiller
the Carbine does kill faster than the BR his data is wrong or maybe he just has a slow trigger finger from using the Br so much. the magnum is not that much slower than the other either but it is the slowest. unless you duel wield the pistols then it is 7 head shots with the duals but u shoot two at a time making it 4 head shots instead of 5. then the pistol kills faster than the BR, but i never compaird it to the carbine...


I thought so. I also thought that the pistol had a more rapid rate of fire than the BR but took 5 rounds to kill. Strangely if you dual wield the pistols then it drops to 4 rounds when logically it should be 2.5 rounds (two shots with one and three shots with the other). So you actually lose firepower when dual wielding pistols.

But then again it would become a sniper without a scope and much more ammo if it kept it's firepower whilst dual wielded so I suppose it's for the best. Bungie probably saw the balance in that.

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Posted by: MOOdapiller
Posted by: Air Sparrow
Posted by: Jiggly Luv
This test that I performed proves that the BR actually kills slightly quicker than the Carbine; this does not include the use of a modded controller.

The testing procedure was as follows: 5 tests per weapon, lowest and highest values dropped for the sake of human imperfection, the average of the middle 3 tests. The testing medium was as follows: on top-mid of Guardian, against an AFK user at nose-to-nose range, on a split-screen local connection.

BR ( 4-shot kill )
:01.514

Carbine ( 8-shot kill )
:01.550

M6G Magnum ( 5-shot kill )
:01.889


As you can see from the testing data, the Carbine is indeed slower than the BR at close-range. Take note that the times listed were rounded to the nearest 1000th of a second. Also, notice that the Magnum as a 5-shot is only about .4 seconds slower than the BR's 4-shot.

One cool stat is that if you calculate the RoF speed, you will find that the BR's and M6G's RoF is accurately the same. I found that extremely interesting, considering how many complaints there are regarding the M6G's slow RoF.

Now, that this is settled, it is up to the player to decide which weapon they find more enjoyable to use. I, personally, like using the Carbine more than the BR, but that has to do with its single-shot functionality more than anything.

Hopefully, this test cleared up the whole "BR vs. Carbine" debate.

Have a good day. : )


I don't have anything to say to that. Other than the fact that I've tested this with a few friends over Live on Guardian in the top center of the map. Now we would stand facing each other and begin shooting at the same time, the Carbine would always come out on top up to a range of the distance across the entire center platform. Further than that though and it would miss shots and be beaten.

But that's just my experience, it could just be lag causing it for all I know.

Also I believe that the Carbine is a 7 shot kill.


the Carbine does kill faster than the BR his data is wrong or maybe he just has a slow trigger finger from using the Br so much. the magnum is not that much slower than the other either but it is the slowest. unless you duel wield the pistols then it is 7 head shots with the duals but u shoot two at a time making it 4 head shots instead of 5. then the pistol kills faster than the BR, but i never compaird it to the carbine...
the br is covenant which normally means it takes the shield down faster.

  • 04.04.2009 4:48 PM PDT

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How far away should you be to lead your shots?

  • 04.04.2009 5:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Air Sparrow
Posted by: MOOdapiller
the Carbine does kill faster than the BR his data is wrong or maybe he just has a slow trigger finger from using the Br so much. the magnum is not that much slower than the other either but it is the slowest. unless you duel wield the pistols then it is 7 head shots with the duals but u shoot two at a time making it 4 head shots instead of 5. then the pistol kills faster than the BR, but i never compaird it to the carbine...


I thought so. I also thought that the pistol had a more rapid rate of fire than the BR but took 5 rounds to kill. Strangely if you dual wield the pistols then it drops to 4 rounds when logically it should be 2.5 rounds (two shots with one and three shots with the other). So you actually lose firepower when dual wielding pistols.

But then again it would become a sniper without a scope and much more ammo if it kept it's
firepower whilst dual wielded so I suppose it's for the best. Bungie probably saw the balance in that.


yup, thats exactly it. the pistol does shoot faster than the Br but is by far weaker, shorter ranged, does not burst, and doesnt have a scope. so the Br is all around better than the pistol except when duel wielding in which it kills slightly faster, but then again u have to have better accuracy with the pistol due to its lack of "burst" and its akwardly miniscuel aim assist.
also the Br can kill up to 3 people with 1 clip (once again this is the guns compacity not your skill, or lack there of.) the pistol need 5 head hots to kill only 8 shots in a clip,
7 shots to kill duels and only has 16, therfore u have to finde two pistols just so u can kill 2 people without reloading unlike the BR which u finde one (and there are lots) and u get 3.

the pistol is an underhanded weapon, but i guess bungie didnt want pople bothering them for having a usefull pistol in their game and describing it as "unrealistic" god i hate COD.

P.S. every weapon i weaker when it is duel wielded, if they werent the SMg's would be great instead of decent.and in my personal opinion. bungie should have seperated dualwieldable weapons and made them good, therefore, if u can finde two smgs u deserve to -blam!-!

all in all, the pistl would be usefull if it had a 10 shot clip. u get two kills with one clip, and if u duel u get 3 kills 1 clip. sounds alot more balanced with the BR there.

  • 04.04.2009 7:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Coolones1
How far away should you be to lead your shots?


depends. if u got a spiker. you should do it at what i would assume is ten feet.

with a BR? i say never, if you so far away the bullets dont reach them in the time it takes them to move out the way, i suggest you stop being such a sisy and hiding behinde your long range and go up and actualy fight them instead of just kicking them when they are down.

in my personal past., i never have to lead my shots unless it is laging but otherwise, i still dont have to lead at far enough where if they were standing still the BR's spread is enough to make u miss all 3 bullets. (spartans dont seem to run to fast.)

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Whats a BR

  • 04.04.2009 9:07 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Sorry, I have been gone a while (and still am), but I'll go ahead and make a few comments on this really quick. I'll edit or post more if I think something else to say, when I get back tomorrow night.
EDIT: Ok, I'm back. I didn't really change any of my post, though.


Posted by: MOOdapiller
Posted by: Air Sparrow
Posted by: Jiggly Luv
This test that I performed proves that the BR actually kills slightly quicker than the Carbine; this does not include the use of a modded controller.

The testing procedure was as follows: 5 tests per weapon, lowest and highest values dropped for the sake of human imperfection, the average of the middle 3 tests. The testing medium was as follows: on top-mid of Guardian, against an AFK user at nose-to-nose range, on a split-screen local connection.

BR ( 4-shot kill )
:01.514

Carbine ( 8-shot kill )
:01.550

M6G Magnum ( 5-shot kill )
:01.889


As you can see from the testing data, the Carbine is indeed slower than the BR at close-range. Take note that the times listed were rounded to the nearest 1000th of a second. Also, notice that the Magnum as a 5-shot is only about .4 seconds slower than the BR's 4-shot.

One cool stat is that if you calculate the RoF speed, you will find that the BR's and M6G's RoF is accurately the same. I found that extremely interesting, considering how many complaints there are regarding the M6G's slow RoF.

Now, that this is settled, it is up to the player to decide which weapon they find more enjoyable to use. I, personally, like using the Carbine more than the BR, but that has to do with its single-shot functionality more than anything.

Hopefully, this test cleared up the whole "BR vs. Carbine" debate.

Have a good day. : )


I don't have anything to say to that. Other than the fact that I've tested this with a few friends over Live on Guardian in the top center of the map. Now we would stand facing each other and begin shooting at the same time, the Carbine would always come out on top up to a range of the distance across the entire center platform. Further than that though and it would miss shots and be beaten.

But that's just my experience, it could just be lag causing it for all I know.

Also I believe that the Carbine is a 7 shot kill.


the Carbine does kill faster than the BR his data is wrong or maybe he just has a slow trigger finger from using the Br so much. the magnum is not that much slower than the other either but it is the slowest. unless you duel wield the pistols then it is 7 head shots with the duals but u shoot two at a time making it 4 head shots instead of 5. then the pistol kills faster than the BR, but i never compaird it to the carbine...
First of all, don't state that my data is wrong when you clearly have no data of yourself to back it up. The only way you can prove that my test is wrong is to test it yourself.

Second of all, I thought the Carbine was a 7 shot too, until I checked it out. Unless my counting was awful at the time, it was a 8 shot. Check that out for yourself, and if you count 7 shots then don't hesitate to let me know. But, until then, it is an 8-shot.

Now...regarding the test. It was done at point-blank range, meaning there was no bullets missing due to randomness and human error. When you increase the range, the chances of a BR bullet missing becomes greater since the aim will not be perfect and the randomness will affect things. At a certain point, which may be the distance of top-mid of Guardian as was tested by you, Sparrow, the Carbine is easier to land all the shots even with human error as compared to the BR. However, once you are passed where the Carbine is consistent it will begin to miss, and then the BR becomes more easier. But, the Carbine is hit or miss versus the BR will continue to hit over time. Overall, the speed at which your opponent will die is not that much different "within a certain range." But, of course, at certain longer ranges the BR is easier since at least one bullet will most of the time.

Also, I tried firing the Carbine as fast as I can, it would not allow my to fire beyond its maximum fastest RoF, which apparently it had. Maybe it was my controller, though it was quite new. But, please don't question my testing until you have done a similar test for yourself. And, I'm not saying the Carbine is a slower kill. I'm saying that the Carbine is a slower kill when the shots are "close to perfect" aim within the BR 4-shot range.


Now...regarding the M6G and dualing them. The M6G Magnum has a slightly slower Rate of fire than the BR. It isn't that much slower, but it is definitely slower. When dualing the RoF does not change. The only things that change is that the M6Gs get a decrease in power to balance it out better and you are able to alternate shots if one pleases. The downside is that you won't be able to use grenades. Anyway, when dualing with a M6G, the sole purpose of that weapon is to give you headshot capabilities. For example, deciding to dual M6Gs instead of running over a few steps to the Plasma Rifle on Guardian is a little foolish, unless of course you would rather dual M6Gs or are just too lazy to go out of your way. I do agree that the M6G should get a clip size increase. (FYI: the Manual says the M6G has a clip size of 12, but the game has it as 8)

I will still use a single M6G over dualing them, anyday. That's my style, and that's what I find enjoyable.

(sorry for any misunderstandings with what I just typed. I did not reread this as I usually do)

[Edited on 04.05.2009 6:52 PM PDT]

  • 04.04.2009 11:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: MOOdapiller
Posted by: Coolones1
How far away should you be to lead your shots?


depends. if u got a spiker. you should do it at what i would assume is ten feet.

with a BR? i say never, if you so far away the bullets dont reach them in the time it takes them to move out the way, i suggest you stop being such a sisy and hiding behinde your long range and go up and actualy fight them instead of just kicking them when they are down.

in my personal past., i never have to lead my shots unless it is laging but otherwise, i still dont have to lead at far enough where if they were standing still the BR's spread is enough to make u miss all 3 bullets. (spartans dont seem to run to fast.)



Awesome info, man. You're awesome. I love it when people know nothing about my playing style and try to bring me down with an assumption!

  • 04.04.2009 11:48 PM PDT

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Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
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Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Coolones1
How far away should you be to lead your shots?
Yes, you have to lead your shots with the BR. Actually most of the time. I would say lead anywhere passed a long 4-shot range. Aim at about the shoulders at a 5-shot range, and a little more as you get farther away.

If you don't lead at certain ranges, a bullet will usually miss depending on the randomness.

With other guns. You will need to lead all the time, regardless, unless you are right on someone's grill.

[Edited on 04.04.2009 11:56 PM PDT]

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I love the BR. Best weapon out of them all. Other than the snipers. =)
The BR is my main tool of destruction.

  • 04.05.2009 5:58 AM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: Coolones1
Posted by: MOOdapiller
Posted by: Coolones1
How far away should you be to lead your shots?


depends. if u got a spiker. you should do it at what i would assume is ten feet.

with a BR? i say never, if you so far away the bullets dont reach them in the time it takes them to move out the way, i suggest you stop being such a sisy and hiding behinde your long range and go up and actualy fight them instead of just kicking them when they are down.

in my personal past., i never have to lead my shots unless it is laging but otherwise, i still dont have to lead at far enough where if they were standing still the BR's spread is enough to make u miss all 3 bullets. (spartans dont seem to run to fast.)



Awesome info, man. You're awesome. I love it when people know nothing about my playing style and try to bring me down with an assumption!
I have to agree with you so much Coolones1.

As for the leading your shots, have a 1v1 on the Octogon and see how much you need to lead your shots because It's quite a lot.

  • 04.05.2009 6:05 AM PDT

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I just saw another BR thread moaning about the spread, use the carbine it's pinpoint.

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  • 04.05.2009 10:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Dredwerkz
I just saw another BR thread moaning about the spread, use the carbine it's pinpoint.
Definitely not. The Carbine has the same spread issues that the BR does.

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Posted by: Gig4t3ch
Fact 2: European guys are hotter

I guess I can understand if you don't want to make out with guys in the US if they're so ugly, you should just say so though.

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Whats a BR

Bunny rabbit.

  • 04.06.2009 3:45 AM PDT

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wow..i love the BR, just would wish it had more ammo than just the 108 cap it has..precision is key, and head shots are sweet.

  • 04.06.2009 9:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dredwerkz
I just saw another BR thread moaning about the spread, use the carbine it's pinpoint.
Definitely not. The Carbine has the same spread issues that the BR does.
The spread is only an issue to people who daren't get close enough to eliminate it's effect. and the carbine is a lot more accurate in terms of spread then the BR.

  • 04.06.2009 10:49 AM PDT

PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALO 4

I agree with you, the B.R. has changed from h2 to h3, but bungie mad this glorious game and therefore they decide what the calls are. The B.R. is the best overall weapon if used properly. Its a counter to all the power or noob weapons if you prefer it. MlG uses it for a reason, and im sorry that ppl can't aim so they rely on vehicles or rocket launchers. Dont get mad that everytime u charge with a shotgun i shot u twice after throwing a grenade beside u, and you watch me t-bag u holding a B.R., where u camping spot once was.....its hysterical!

  • 04.06.2009 11:27 AM PDT

PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALO 4

Both of u are wrong the B.R is better if you double shot and yes this can be done with tons of practice its just R R with the right timing, tell me if im wrong but it takes about 1/3 of the time to fire the next shot.

  • 04.06.2009 11:36 AM PDT

Posted by: Coolones1
Posted by: MOOdapiller
Posted by: Coolones1
How far away should you be to lead your shots?


depends. if u got a spiker. you should do it at what i would assume is ten feet.

with a BR? i say never, if you so far away the bullets dont reach them in the time it takes them to move out the way, i suggest you stop being such a sisy and hiding behinde your long range and go up and actualy fight them instead of just kicking them when they are down.

in my personal past., i never have to lead my shots unless it is laging but otherwise, i still dont have to lead at far enough where if they were standing still the BR's spread is enough to make u miss all 3 bullets. (spartans dont seem to run to fast.)



Awesome info, man. You're awesome. I love it when people know nothing about my playing style and try to bring me down with an assumption!


same goes for you, i love it when people asume my asumption and try and rebuttle based on their asumption of my asumption. when i say "you" im speeking to the general public, and fyi. my usmption of you is that you do not use the BR too much, because if u did, u wouldent be asking that question would u?

and i personaly finde it admerable that you do not know, it tells me you dont stick to 1 weapon to get all your kills, meaning rounded off skill.

  • 04.06.2009 12:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: sxman
Whats a BR

Bunny rabbit.


WIN

  • 04.06.2009 12:23 PM PDT
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ReG + WL= Heroes of BTB

lols? i is lost when it comes to that last comment

  • 04.06.2009 12:25 PM PDT