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Posted by: Cynik411
oh yeah and the 1 problem with the BR is that its awful when your opponent is running away with they're back to u - it takes like 10 shots in the body to kill =(!


this...i wish this was fixd

  • 04.15.2009 4:50 PM PDT
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I would say that the aim help suks but the battle rifle is the all pupose weapon. thats why it is the starting weapon in mlg.

  • 04.15.2009 5:09 PM PDT

Hmmmm there is nothing wrong with the Beam Rifle.....oh wait this is a Battle Rifle forum isn't it? I actually like the BR myself its very useful and tatical weapon....ummm both of them =p

  • 04.15.2009 10:38 PM PDT
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this thread is a POS just like the BR and bungie

just push all the real issues to the side bungie...that way you never have to deal with them

good job -blam!-s

  • 04.15.2009 11:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: ItsMonkeyMan
The BR is extremely accurate if you aim like halo 1 not halo 2. In this real world that you speak of you must take in wind, movement, gravity, and the earths rotation for long shots. this means that you must lead your shots the spread has nothing to do with this unless you are playing swat. the aiming at the head argument is moot because as stated you were aiming at his head not in front of his head. If you need proof just watch the pros play or myself in a 1v1 battle.


Your examples of real life shots are kind of extreme. We're not shooting miles with the battle rifle. I'd say 400yards Max. In which case the only thing you have to worry about is gravity compared with bullet velocity, and leading the target.

I do think it should be inaccurate because of bullet spread at long distances... but when your opponent is 40 yards from you, meh I'm thinking it should be a tighter shot.

[Edited on 04.16.2009 1:59 AM PDT]

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Posted by: cehbuy
this thread is a POS just like the BR and bungie

just push all the real issues to the side bungie...that way you never have to deal with them

good job -blam!-s


Genius. Pure Genuis. Love the way you have considered the evidence, listened to what other people think, then said such an intelligent and useful comment. Grow up.

  • 04.16.2009 4:18 AM PDT

i agree, the br is just fine. The only reason people are complaining about it is that they can't use it well. I have no problem using the br. If you have a problem go practice or something. Or watch these cool halo 3 videos below.

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  • 04.16.2009 4:25 AM PDT
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One-two-three-four-five-six-seven-eight, PERFECT NINE SHOT!!!

haha anybody see that mlg top 10 spoof?

-Dew

  • 04.16.2009 6:41 PM PDT

so it is agreed that the Br is the best weapon? right!

so i suggest to you, that it is not a "PRO" weapon because a "PRO" does not need the best weapon to kill, a true pro can snipe with a pistol, point blank with a sniper (not two piece)
collateral with a grenade (not whore the grenades but use the surrounding such as fusion coils and airborne targets off an edge.)
a real "PRO" can use any weapon effectively within its respectable limits (I.E. a plasma pistol to board a vehicle instead of killing or to drain an over-shield, or a rocket to clear enemy territory, not camp in a corner)

if anyone can show me a video where a rocket kills a BR at cross level range (both know of each others position), ill show you a pro. if you can show me someone who can kill a pistol with a Br from across the level, i will show you a coward.

the Br eliminates skill, because it is no longer a players ability to better another but a players capability. a shotgun will never snipe a BR across the map, because the shotgun is incapable of that, therefore the kill is not the players skill., but the player just had a better weapon. although a BR can kill a shotgun at close range, although it is highly unlikly, it is possible. (i have done it my self.)

what happened to the day where people would gloat about humiliating the other team by winning with outlandish conditions? like pistoling someone across the map, or running a victory lap for your last flag capture (driving around the map just to gloat the win.) or playing a game with only beat downs or a handy cap? what happened to showmanship? all i ever hear now is "get four shot!" i question that because isn't it easier to win a fight if you 4 shot? wouldn't it sound better if u said "GET 12 SHOT, i gave you 12 shots worth of time to kill me and u couldn't pull it off!"

personally "get four shot" sounds to me like "HA I'm so insecure of my skill to give you a chance to fight me so i killed you from far away as fast as possible so u couldn't possibly beat me!" id rather hear "id let u empty your first clip before i shot 1 round and i still killed u!"

and I'm tired of hearing "I owned you!" after you get double or more teamed. id rather hear "u double teamed me and i still killed both of you!.

and that last thin thats annoying is weapon control wins. may i allude to "Arby and the Cheif"

"awww man i gatta' get the sword! if the sword isn't there im gana be pissed! YES! i got sword! now for rockets! yes i got rockets! im now i just gata camp here... aww man im soo good, im MLG im a pro, im soo damn good, i cant get over it, aww yeah, im soo good!"

i apologize if i got that quote wrong, its been a while since i seen that show.

  • 04.16.2009 8:59 PM PDT

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Honestly dude. I'm am not normally like this (i'm not a guy who argues about weapons in a video game), but dude seriously, grow a pair.

Suck it up. That is how it is now, and you can't change it. If you can make thousands of players to stop using the BR and use guns like the pistol, or maybe running a victory run for the last cap, or stop using words/phrases like PWND, Noob, or 4-shot, then i congratulate you for an outstanding achievement.

Everything changes. Gaming now isn't like gaming years ago. It has slowly turned into just competition and no fun. Yes, some people like to have fun, but if you notice, most people are getting mad cause they got killed, or lost a game.

From getting mad from that, they start to yell, and make fun of the other players just because they lost. Then the people who win get all smug of themselves, and start to make fun of other players.

I kinda went out on a limb on that last part, but i think you may get the idea.

  • 04.16.2009 9:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: MOOdapiller
so it is agreed that the Br is the best weapon? right!

so i suggest to you, that it is not a "PRO" weapon because a "PRO" does not need the best weapon to kill, a true pro can snipe with a pistol, point blank with a sniper (not two piece)
collateral with a grenade (not whore the grenades but use the surrounding such as fusion coils and airborne targets off an edge.)
a real "PRO" can use any weapon effectively within its respectable limits (I.E. a plasma pistol to board a vehicle instead of killing or to drain an over-shield, or a rocket to clear enemy territory, not camp in a corner)

if anyone can show me a video where a rocket kills a BR at cross level range (both know of each others position), ill show you a pro. if you can show me someone who can kill a pistol with a Br from across the level, i will show you a coward.

the Br eliminates skill, because it is no longer a players ability to better another but a players capability. a shotgun will never snipe a BR across the map, because the shotgun is incapable of that, therefore the kill is not the players skill., but the player just had a better weapon. although a BR can kill a shotgun at close range, although it is highly unlikly, it is possible. (i have done it my self.)

what happened to the day where people would gloat about humiliating the other team by winning with outlandish conditions? like pistoling someone across the map, or running a victory lap for your last flag capture (driving around the map just to gloat the win.) or playing a game with only beat downs or a handy cap? what happened to showmanship? all i ever hear now is "get four shot!" i question that because isn't it easier to win a fight if you 4 shot? wouldn't it sound better if u said "GET 12 SHOT, i gave you 12 shots worth of time to kill me and u couldn't pull it off!"

personally "get four shot" sounds to me like "HA I'm so insecure of my skill to give you a chance to fight me so i killed you from far away as fast as possible so u couldn't possibly beat me!" id rather hear "id let u empty your first clip before i shot 1 round and i still killed u!"

and I'm tired of hearing "I owned you!" after you get double or more teamed. id rather hear "u double teamed me and i still killed both of you!.

and that last thin thats annoying is weapon control wins. may i allude to "Arby and the Cheif"

"awww man i gatta' get the sword! if the sword isn't there im gana be pissed! YES! i got sword! now for rockets! yes i got rockets! im now i just gata camp here... aww man im soo good, im MLG im a pro, im soo damn good, i cant get over it, aww yeah, im soo good!"

i apologize if i got that quote wrong, its been a while since i seen that show.

perfectly correct, people need to listen to this, and fyi the sentinel beam is probably a more all around than the br its just not in multiplayer

  • 04.16.2009 9:23 PM PDT

~Drake Sykes Hellion

The real PRO weapon is the pistol, eight shots, accurate, no scope, justy how well you can aim the thing.

at least, I think it is pro.

on topic, the BR needs less threads and a better zooming scope.

  • 04.16.2009 10:10 PM PDT

Posted by: MOOdapiller
so it is agreed that the Br is the best weapon? right!

so i suggest to you, that it is not a "PRO" weapon because a "PRO" does not need the best weapon to kill, a true pro can snipe with a pistol, point blank with a sniper (not two piece)
collateral with a grenade (not whore the grenades but use the surrounding such as fusion coils and airborne targets off an edge.)
a real "PRO" can use any weapon effectively within its respectable limits (I.E. a plasma pistol to board a vehicle instead of killing or to drain an over-shield, or a rocket to clear enemy territory, not camp in a corner)

if anyone can show me a video where a rocket kills a BR at cross level range (both know of each others position), ill show you a pro. if you can show me someone who can kill a pistol with a Br from across the level, i will show you a coward.

the Br eliminates skill, because it is no longer a players ability to better another but a players capability. a shotgun will never snipe a BR across the map, because the shotgun is incapable of that, therefore the kill is not the players skill., but the player just had a better weapon. although a BR can kill a shotgun at close range, although it is highly unlikly, it is possible. (i have done it my self.)

what happened to the day where people would gloat about humiliating the other team by winning with outlandish conditions? like pistoling someone across the map, or running a victory lap for your last flag capture (driving around the map just to gloat the win.) or playing a game with only beat downs or a handy cap? what happened to showmanship? all i ever hear now is "get four shot!" i question that because isn't it easier to win a fight if you 4 shot? wouldn't it sound better if u said "GET 12 SHOT, i gave you 12 shots worth of time to kill me and u couldn't pull it off!"

personally "get four shot" sounds to me like "HA I'm so insecure of my skill to give you a chance to fight me so i killed you from far away as fast as possible so u couldn't possibly beat me!" id rather hear "id let u empty your first clip before i shot 1 round and i still killed u!"

and I'm tired of hearing "I owned you!" after you get double or more teamed. id rather hear "u double teamed me and i still killed both of you!.

and that last thin thats annoying is weapon control wins. may i allude to "Arby and the Cheif"

"awww man i gatta' get the sword! if the sword isn't there im gana be pissed! YES! i got sword! now for rockets! yes i got rockets! im now i just gata camp here... aww man im soo good, im MLG im a pro, im soo damn good, i cant get over it, aww yeah, im soo good!"

i apologize if i got that quote wrong, its been a while since i seen that show.



I respectfully disagree. Some weapons are better for some situations than others, no arguments there, but it is knowing how and when to utilize a particular weapon that defines skill. For example, mindlessly tossing grenades down a hallway is not skill, but timing a perfect grenade BR is. The tools are important to the game, but it's the mind behind the tools that is important.

You are armed with a splazer and sticky grenades. A Warthog is speeding towards you, very close, the gunner just beginning to rotate in your direction. The splaser could absolutely decimate the 'hog, but you know that the gunner would be fully turned around by the time it charged up, or the warthog would hit and splatter you. The skillful player would opt to tag it with a sticky grenade, as it would be faster. It might not destroy the warthog, but at the very least it would flip the vehicle. You would then have time to charge up the splaser to finish it off without the risk of a turret shredding you.

Know what weapon is best for the job at hand and how best to use it, and you're on your way to becoming skilled.

  • 04.16.2009 11:11 PM PDT
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I think the BR is just perfect it's the best all purpose weapon to me.

  • 04.16.2009 11:27 PM PDT

60% of the time.....it hits every time........

Posted by: Prodigy
This is the problem. The spread and it's inconsistency makes the BR easier to use and also unreliable when it comes to decision making as you can't rely on it to deal a consistent amount of damage. This reduces the skill required in the game. If you actually considered the effect of the spread you would realise it has the ability to affect the damage inflicted by the BR at almost any range. Eg. At fairly close range two players could be equally inaccurate however one may have a slightly wider spread and land 1 bullet, if these two players were shieldless the player with the wider spread would win purely by chance (randomness).

I fail to see how this a good thing. Also if you were to look at the AR it is way overpowered for the skill it takes to use. For example one minimal burst at medium range will near enough deplete your shields. Now ask yourself this, does that player who only has to look in your general direction and pull the trigger deserve to inflict so much damage so easily, I think not. I fail to see how Bungie thought this was a good idea. It truly puzzles me as does the beatdown power, auto aim and lunge this is the most frustrating thing ever and totally ruins the game for me.

I don't see why a game that revolves around skill is a bad thing, obviously most people just like the game to do it all for them.


It isnt a bad thing actually. I dont really understand what you think im trying to get at. Im addressing the people that complain about their bullets missing their target because of the spread. Im therefore saying the spread helps just as much as it hurts OUTSIDE RANGE. Inside the intended range the spread has a very minimal effect. You mentioned "fairly close range" scenario and that is complete bs that a random bullet can spread when you didnt aim accurately at the guy at this range. That would be lag or some other crap. It does inflict a consistant amount of damage actually. If your in RANGE i guarantee a skilled shot will take around a quarter of health away. If it doesnt you werent aiming well or there was lag or they were too far. This randomness bs is an epidemic. The ar is random,,,,the smg is random,.......so if theres no room for randomness in halo then these guns CANT exist. Oh and lets get rid of the de-scoping effect of getting in br fights cause that makes your crosshair jump off tangent almost in a random fashion. The spread isnt THAT bad as people make it anyway. Also theres another part of the equation where you shoot during your strafe. If you do the bullets are going to come out separated by the amount of space you covered when you were moving.....what are you supposed to do with that? Thats part of the missing bullets too.

So if they did FIX the br like everyone wants and lowered the spread or whatever.......you could just kill more consistently at a farther range than before,,,,,,and die that much farther away. It would make the br even more dominant than it already is. You were never meant to be able to kill people consistantly at larger distances than you can now. You still CAN but theres going to be some missed bullets. This is the way to stop/decrease the killing range of the gun. So yea a random bullet can still go long range and kill someone RANDOMLY. Well so can an AR bullet or smg bullet or a random spike or random ar bullet hitting a fusion coil which blows a RANDOM mongoose into a guy....random is part of what makes halo fun/funny.

Yea the AR is powerful but not overpowered. It does eat your shields up even at medium type ranges with bursts......but wheres the headshot capability?? It has none so thats the downfall and what keeps it from being overpowered. It takes forever compared to the coveted br to actually finish them off. Theres no difference in shooting the two at someone in the distance and if anything the br is easier to hit someone with. So "pointing in that direction" is irrelevant. It needs to inflict some damage at medium distance to be able to have a fighting chance against a more accurate weapon.

Now beatdown/lunge im sure we competely agree with eachother on. I hate them both.

i do expect flames straight from hell and satan himself cause i wrote this quick without thinkin too much AND its about 3 in the morn

  • 04.17.2009 12:56 AM PDT

PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALO 4

The BR is consistent, and my favorite weapon. The AR is great too each does what the other cant do, efficiently that is. Bungie has it fine the way it is honestly, everyone has the same advantages and disadvantages. Eventually people will refuse to play halo because of this, and thats foolish.

  • 04.17.2009 8:55 AM PDT

If people are so against the BR spread, why not remove the spread of all the weapons too?
If you manage to point your Spiker's reticule directly at your opponent across the map, are you not entitled to the kill?
How about the AR? Shouldn't it also have pinpoint accurate shots, to ensure that highly skilled players, who are able to aim correctly, get kills from all the way across the map?

Most of you probably said "No" to this idea, but why?
The reason for any weapon in Halo 3 having spread is the same.
Think about it.

  • 04.17.2009 12:44 PM PDT

Yes!

Okay that was a long and pointless comment that nobody is going to read

  • 04.17.2009 12:55 PM PDT

the BR is good, great even, just it is simply TOO FREAKING GOOD to be given to every fool that dies, hence i dislike their starts, but not really the gun

  • 04.17.2009 1:00 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Colin KAPOW
the BR is good, great even, just it is simply TOO FREAKING GOOD to be given to every fool that dies, hence i dislike their starts, but not really the gun
Welcome to the world of mid-range, headshot capable weapons versus close-range, nonheadshot capable weapons. Of course, it's good; because, it has a range and headshot advantage. The Carbine is just as strong, and isn't much harder to use due to its fast RoF.

  • 04.17.2009 2:11 PM PDT

The amount of people who big up the BR is just stupid. I use it aginst some noob with the AR and they kill me, it is so damn crappy! Slayer BR mean Slayer BR not Slayer BR but with ARs too!!

PS. NO i am not crappy with the BR!

  • 04.18.2009 3:28 AM PDT

Pay for the sins of your Gods... Astral Corruption!

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/315885/Group/GroupHome.aspx

As much as I'd love to see people use the Magnum to get all their kills, the feat is nothing short of impossible to get people to stop using, and abusing for that matter, the Battle Rifle. I played against many people who wielded the BR and they normally stomped me, however their is the other side of the coin. There are many occassions where I went against MLG players or people who annihilate with the BR, without either of us using a BR and I normally came out on top.

Most people are getting mad once they get killed, the BR's versatility is to blame in my opinion. The fact that the BR can snipe is purely ridiculous in my opinion. On Sandbox, all people do is just BR snipe to win and it works. That infuriates me that people online cannot actually fight on the battlefield with some type of dignity other than, "Hey, I'm going to sit on top of this giant rock. You shoot me enough, I'll duck down and hide. If you come after me, all my team mates will kill you with the BR before you even get close to me."

Another problem is, most people are ONLY effiecient with a BR. Now, I'm just saying, I went against people who could four shot like crazy, but take the BR out of their hands and you'd think they were fresh meat beginners. (I played them online, I don't actually know them nor do I care too...)

People will tend to make fun of each-other, win or lose... Fun is disappearing and fury is rising between players, soon every other person will be receiving complaints for being "Overly Aggressive".

One of the biggest problems is that the BR is a counter all weapon. The BR counters almost every weapon. It has the capability to out snipe a sniper, blow up rockets by shooting them before the rocket even gets close, and take down shotgunners at close range. Although it is not a "Power weapon" it very much plays like one. If I'm off topic in anyway, I apologize. I'm just speaking my mind like everybody else and those are my thoughts on the BR.

And yes, I do acknowledge that the BR was worse in Halo 2, but that's why I personally hated that game. As it was as I call, "The glorification of the Battle Rifle" and every other weapon was a miserable failure in battle when in its comparison.

  • 04.18.2009 10:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: MOOdapiller
so it is agreed that the Br is the best weapon? right!

so i suggest to you, that it is not a "PRO" weapon because a "PRO" does not need the best weapon to kill, a true pro can snipe with a pistol, point blank with a sniper (not two piece)
collateral with a grenade (not whore the grenades but use the surrounding such as fusion coils and airborne targets off an edge.)
a real "PRO" can use any weapon effectively within its respectable limits (I.E. a plasma pistol to board a vehicle instead of killing or to drain an over-shield, or a rocket to clear enemy territory, not camp in a corner)

if anyone can show me a video where a rocket kills a BR at cross level range (both know of each others position), ill show you a pro. if you can show me someone who can kill a pistol with a Br from across the level, i will show you a coward.

the Br eliminates skill, because it is no longer a players ability to better another but a players capability. a shotgun will never snipe a BR across the map, because the shotgun is incapable of that, therefore the kill is not the players skill., but the player just had a better weapon. although a BR can kill a shotgun at close range, although it is highly unlikly, it is possible. (i have done it my self.)

what happened to the day where people would gloat about humiliating the other team by winning with outlandish conditions? like pistoling someone across the map, or running a victory lap for your last flag capture (driving around the map just to gloat the win.) or playing a game with only beat downs or a handy cap? what happened to showmanship? all i ever hear now is "get four shot!" i question that because isn't it easier to win a fight if you 4 shot? wouldn't it sound better if u said "GET 12 SHOT, i gave you 12 shots worth of time to kill me and u couldn't pull it off!"

personally "get four shot" sounds to me like "HA I'm so insecure of my skill to give you a chance to fight me so i killed you from far away as fast as possible so u couldn't possibly beat me!" id rather hear "id let u empty your first clip before i shot 1 round and i still killed u!"

and I'm tired of hearing "I owned you!" after you get double or more teamed. id rather hear "u double teamed me and i still killed both of you!.

and that last thin thats annoying is weapon control wins. may i allude to "Arby and the Cheif"

"awww man i gatta' get the sword! if the sword isn't there im gana be pissed! YES! i got sword! now for rockets! yes i got rockets! im now i just gata camp here... aww man im soo good, im MLG im a pro, im soo damn good, i cant get over it, aww yeah, im soo good!"

i apologize if i got that quote wrong, its been a while since i seen that show.



I respectfully disagree. Some weapons are better for some situations than others, no arguments there, but it is knowing how and when to utilize a particular weapon that defines skill. For example, mindlessly tossing grenades down a hallway is not skill, but timing a perfect grenade BR is. The tools are important to the game, but it's the mind behind the tools that is important.

You are armed with a splazer and sticky grenades. A Warthog is speeding towards you, very close, the gunner just beginning to rotate in your direction. The splaser could absolutely decimate the 'hog, but you know that the gunner would be fully turned around by the time it charged up, or the warthog would hit and splatter you. The skillful player would opt to tag it with a sticky grenade, as it would be faster. It might not destroy the warthog, but at the very least it would flip the vehicle. You would then have time to charge up the splaser to finish it off without the risk of a turret shredding you.

Know what weapon is best for the job at hand and how best to use it, and you're on your way to becoming skilled.


here is where most misunderstand what skill is. and knowing what weapon to use in what situation is not skill, because skill can not be learned from a manual, you cant read a piloting manual an become an ace pilot. you can just read the drivers ED manual and become a skill full driver. skill has nothing to do with intellect. because if it were than you could say "well two men are across the map. and one has a sniper the other has a pistol, so just because the sniper knew he would need long range he is more skill full"? that doesn't make sense.

in your situation with the warthog, the best alternative would be board. (although i understand most have problems preforming that trick. if it were to far away to board, than u should be far enough to finde covor before you die, then a precharged laser would knock 'em out.

and just for collateral, lets agree on your theory for a moment kay? lets say skill is knowing what weapon to use in which situation. then does that not prove my point too? because with the BR there is no contemplating what weapon to pick because the Br is the best all around weapon. u no long have to choose between the SMG or the shot gun. because the BR is effective in both long and short range. it has the ammunition and the fire0 power.

please consider. much oblige.

  • 04.18.2009 11:16 PM PDT