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a lot.

  • 07.03.2008 10:03 AM PDT
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If they only made the normal br as powerful as the mlg br, they wouldn't have to fix the spread, the 110-100% power would make up for it. so please bungie, just make the br power the same as mlg.

  • 07.03.2008 10:24 AM PDT

agreed^^^^^^^^

[Edited on 07.03.2008 10:33 AM PDT]

  • 07.03.2008 10:32 AM PDT
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or they could make it a hitscan weapon and everybody would be happy.

  • 07.03.2008 10:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: ST CheezHead
or they could make it a hitscan weapon and everybody would be happy.


NO. I would not be happy.
therefore everyone would not be happy.
There are so many reasons why that wouldn't work, nor should be put into effect.

  • 07.03.2008 10:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ryuzaki6
Posted by: ST CheezHead
or they could make it a hitscan weapon and everybody would be happy.


NO. I would not be happy.
therefore everyone would not be happy.
There are so many reasons why that wouldn't work, nor should be put into effect.


Neither would I.

If they make the BR a hitscan weapon again I'll want my full-aut AR-sniper next.

~B.B.

  • 07.03.2008 11:56 AM PDT

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Why would you patch the BR in Halo 2 fixing it and everybody liked it and was fine with it then when you make Halo 3 make the BR pack to prepatch? I just don't see the logic behind that, the BR spread makes the game so random and inconsistent and when I die because the BR had a random spread and I think why would bungie ever do make this and then someone complains about it and they break their own rule and point out a single person. New BR please or should I say Old BR please. If you want to make it more "fair" *cough* random then please don't make the spread as bad make it where it spreads but not as much you saw the problem with melee, why do you have to be so hard headed about the BR?

[Edited on 07.03.2008 12:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2008 12:11 PM PDT
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I absolutely love the BR. If I have one near me I get it it's almost all I use. I honestly wish that slayer BRs would have a magnum or something as secondary weapon instead of the assault rifle. Im not sure about anybody else but did the BR get power reduced? I can no longer stop somebody with a BR if they are charging me with an AR when it used to be that a few headshots would stop them. What have they done?! Either way I refuse to abandon my BR roots and I hope bungie does something about the onslaught brought on by the assault rifle. BR=Only gun that takes skill (other than snipe/laser)

*edit*
If this spread thing is true that would explain why I cant get a MEDIUM RANGE headshot kill somebody attacking me with the assault rifle or carbine. Why would they do this to us!!

[Edited on 07.03.2008 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2008 12:42 PM PDT

The BR is the great. Nothing is wrong with it.

  • 07.03.2008 1:15 PM PDT
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The BR is fine, you just need to make the other weapons.. Better.
Increase the rate of fire, or the damage on every other weapon (that's not powered) in the game.

  • 07.03.2008 1:53 PM PDT

Yeah, I guess you could say I play competitavely. (=

The only thing I would have changed with the BR is adding the ability to double shot. The spread is fine.

  • 07.03.2008 2:05 PM PDT

The spread should be fixed but the Br bullets should do less damage over a distance to avoid making it more powerful. That way two people BRing each other from the same distance would never have a random outcome due to a margin of error.

Tell me why this wouldn't work.

  • 07.03.2008 2:30 PM PDT

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Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Grenaldo7
The spread should be fixed but the Br bullets should do less damage over a distance to avoid making it more powerful. That way two people BRing each other from the same distance would never have a random outcome due to a margin of error.

Tell me why this wouldn't work.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Maybe tighten the spread a little and lower the random margin of error. This would keep the unskilled from being gunned down from longer ranges. It would make both groups happy. Although, I'm not quite sure it's realistic, and everyone keeps whining about it having to be realistic this and realistic that.

Also, can everyone please stop saying that this is only the MLG community who are "whining" about this. I'm not in the MLG community and I'm a "whiner". However, the BR is my favorite weapon, the most fun to use, and is the most effective from close to mid-ranges. All I want is bullets to not miss when the center of my reticule is on a stationary player's head. Everyone gets the beatdown and the spray weapons to their liking, but when people want their headshot weapons to their likings, that's not allowed.

[Edited on 07.03.2008 4:14 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2008 4:05 PM PDT

Huh? What? Doggy Style? Ahh gross...
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BR iz klutch!

  • 07.03.2008 5:05 PM PDT

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flarg you if you're just pulling our legs.
It is the thought and intention that is important, not the word.

In response to a post I saw in another Battle Rifle thread, I give you this:

Posted by: JonnyOThan
No, that can't happen if you're firing at the intended range. If you read and understood the math in the weekly update, the first bullet from a burst is accurate enough that at 18 world units, it will land within 0.47 feet from where you intended it to go. The spartan's head is 0.93 feet across from the front, and even wider from the side. If your aim was perfect (hey look, there's skill involved!) you cannot miss the head at that range because of the "spread."
Am I the only person who sees a problem with this? If you are aimed perfectly, (dead-center of the other player's head), that means you have .465 world units in a circle around that spot which is equivalant to the size of the Spartan's head. .47>.465. If I have read correctly, the spread (or possiblity/size) of the spread increases with each bullet fired in the burst, so even if your aim was perfect, there is a chance all 3 bullets from the burst will miss.

Does that make the intended range like 5 feet away?

  • 07.03.2008 6:38 PM PDT

Posted by: Larzpl0t
The BR is the great. Nothing is wrong with it.
And how much testing and analyzing have you put in to determine that fact?

  • 07.03.2008 8:20 PM PDT

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
No, you are fundamentally flawed. The BR is intended to operate at medium range. The AR lists its range as "short to medium " while the BR lists its range as "medium to far". However to say that the intended range of the BR is to include "far" is wrong. Just like it would be wrong of me to say that the AR's intended range is "medium". That's clearly not the case in either of those weapons. As far as I'm concerned the BR works perfectly inside it's intended range, which according to Bungie is 18-20WUs. You seem to think that the intended range of the BR is something else entirely. As such the weapon is working fine you are just "doing it wrong" or at least having the wrong expectations of the outcome. If you are operating the BR outside of 18-20WUs away and expecting a consistent 4-shot your expectations are wrong based upon the fact that you're using the weapon outside it's intended range.

I don't know if I can explain it any more clearly without simply repeating myself over and over again. The BR is not broken as you seem to think it is. It might be "broken" when compared to your preconceived notion of how the weapon should operate but then the problem lays squarely with you and none with the weapon. If I were to think that the ARs intended range was medium range because it's listed as such, I'd think it was horribly broken as well. It's not because I realize that the intended range of the AR is far closer than that.

I'm sorry BakedPotato, the weapon isn't broken, your perceptions are.

~B.B.


Well actually, my original post listed the AR as short range, BR as medium range and Sniper as long range. I changed it for my post because that is what I believe it to be. To see my original post, check the top of page 12.

Not broken? How ignorant can you be! You say that the BR's intended range is 18-20WU's away, but then say that it works perfectly in that distance? Berserka, may I ask how often you actually pick up a BR? You've hardly played Halo over the last few months, so I begin to wonder whether your argument stems from actual gameplay and experience, or are you merely following Bungie. The BR does not work in its intended range, and if you decided to play in the MLG playlist, you would notice this. The spread of the AR doesn't need to be changed, it works perfectly in its intended range. The spread of the Sniper doesn't need to be changed, it works perfectly in its intended range. The Battle Rifle does not work at its intended range, which is, as you keep saying, 18-20WU's.

I'm sorry Berserka, the weapon is broken, and maybe if you actually played Halo and used the Battle Rifle you would notice this.

[Edited on 07.03.2008 8:52 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2008 8:52 PM PDT

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: Ryuzaki6
Posted by: ST CheezHead
or they could make it a hitscan weapon and everybody would be happy.


NO. I would not be happy.
therefore everyone would not be happy.
There are so many reasons why that wouldn't work, nor should be put into effect.


Neither would I.

If they make the BR a hitscan weapon again I'll want my full-aut AR-sniper next.

~B.B.


I don't know why you keep bringing up this point, firstly the AR works perfectly at its intended range as it is know.

Besides, if you did get your full-aut AR-sniper, the recoil would be too much to utilise it properly over a long range. All we ask is for the BR to work at its intended range, because as of now, it doesn't. Tightening the spread of either the AR or BR to the precision of the Sniper is ludicrous. No, all we ask is for the Battle Rifle to perform consistently at a medium range, because as of now, combat is being determined by luck, and luck is a poor substitute for skill.

[Edited on 07.03.2008 8:56 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2008 8:54 PM PDT

HATERS GONNA' HATE

The BR looks uncreative. Whereas the AR is so modern and cool, the BR just looks............. Like an average rifle.

  • 07.03.2008 10:45 PM PDT
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Fix the Halo 3 BR spread, plz.

A spread is fine, but it should spread consistently. The shots should always have the same amount of spread, like the first, 0, the second, .15 and the third like .25 or so, so you have an idea of when the BR bullet will always miss and what range it will hit. This will make the BR the same when it comes to range depletion, but consistent at the same time.

  • 07.04.2008 12:03 AM PDT
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yeah its nice i like it like i think it needs to shot faster tho

  • 07.04.2008 12:46 AM PDT
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I loved the BR, everyone did. In H2, on average, it was everyones favorite weapon. I think it's what made the game as awesome as it was. It was a great alternative to the greatly missed H1 pistol. Now, the H3 BR is terrible. The bullets are too slow, the random spread is garbage and headshots don't even matter. The game takes place in the year 2552, that's good enough reason to explain why the BR bullets in H2 were so fast it was a hitscan weapon. Bungie should have just left it alone and just made the bullets weak enough to where it didn't dominate. I mean, the aiming is harder and the glitches are gone. Those are big changes. Just because they created Halo, doesn't mean they have the answer to everything. Sometimes you just have to give the people what they want. I went to Gamestop the other day and I saw like 25 used copies of H3. Honestly, It's sad to see so many people disappointed in Halo 3 enough to where they decide to take it back. I'm serious, go to your local Gamestop and count how many copies of H3 you see, you'll be disgusted. I was. There's got to be some reason behind this? Okay, so maybe nowadays the BR does take more skill, and it's harder to master, but the average gamer won't even care anymore because weeks after Halo 3 a game called "Call of Duty 4" came out. Campaign is good and Forge is good, but I don't want to Forge a map and play Halo 3 on it.

I forgive you Bungie, everyone makes mistakes.

BRING BACK MARATHON!!!!

  • 07.04.2008 12:51 AM PDT

A need for Xbox Live Gold...

For god's sake,The H3 BR is just damn perfect.

But one game with certain settings definitely won't please everyone.

  • 07.04.2008 1:22 AM PDT