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Subject: The Only BR Thread

Posted by: KiLLeRAnGeL5
Honestly dude. I'm am not normally like this (i'm not a guy who argues about weapons in a video game), but dude seriously, grow a pair.

Suck it up. That is how it is now, and you can't change it. If you can make thousands of players to stop using the BR and use guns like the pistol, or maybe running a victory run for the last cap, or stop using words/phrases like PWND, Noob, or 4-shot, then i congratulate you for an outstanding achievement.

Everything changes. Gaming now isn't like gaming years ago. It has slowly turned into just competition and no fun. Yes, some people like to have fun, but if you notice, most people are getting mad cause they got killed, or lost a game.

From getting mad from that, they start to yell, and make fun of the other players just because they lost. Then the people who win get all smug of themselves, and start to make fun of other players.

I kinda went out on a limb on that last part, but i think you may get the idea.


oh i can take it, i am no push over with the Br. but heres the problem i can choose either to win with a BR, or have fun with a pistol. and honestly, I'm tiered of it, i want to have fun and still have a fair chance at winning. let face it, if your team doesn't have BR control or your not using a Br in a Br game, your at a fat disadvantage. so its almost as if the Br corners me into being cheep. i have to choose to either win and be praised but bored, or have fun but lose and be mocked.

and yes i understand what your saying and your right. i guess MLG is mostly responsible for this. but tat doesn't mean we cant try and bring back the old victory laps and peace treaties!

  • 04.18.2009 11:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Soul Reaper716
As much as I'd love to see people use the Magnum to get all their kills, the feat is nothing short of impossible to get people to stop using, and abusing for that matter, the Battle Rifle. I played against many people who wielded the BR and they normally stomped me, however their is the other side of the coin. There are many occassions where I went against MLG players or people who annihilate with the BR, without either of us using a BR and I normally came out on top.

Most people are getting mad once they get killed, the BR's versatility is to blame in my opinion. The fact that the BR can snipe is purely ridiculous in my opinion. On Sandbox, all people do is just BR snipe to win and it works. That infuriates me that people online cannot actually fight on the battlefield with some type of dignity other than, "Hey, I'm going to sit on top of this giant rock. You shoot me enough, I'll duck down and hide. If you come after me, all my team mates will kill you with the BR before you even get close to me."

Another problem is, most people are ONLY effiecient with a BR. Now, I'm just saying, I went against people who could four shot like crazy, but take the BR out of their hands and you'd think they were fresh meat beginners. (I played them online, I don't actually know them nor do I care too...)

People will tend to make fun of each-other, win or lose... Fun is disappearing and fury is rising between players, soon every other person will be receiving complaints for being "Overly Aggressive".

One of the biggest problems is that the BR is a counter all weapon. The BR counters almost every weapon. It has the capability to out snipe a sniper, blow up rockets by shooting them before the rocket even gets close, and take down shotgunners at close range. Although it is not a "Power weapon" it very much plays like one. If I'm off topic in anyway, I apologize. I'm just speaking my mind like everybody else and those are my thoughts on the BR.

And yes, I do acknowledge that the BR was worse in Halo 2, but that's why I personally hated that game. As it was as I call, "The glorification of the Battle Rifle" and every other weapon was a miserable failure in battle when in its comparison.


DEEPLY AGREED. ive only met one level fifty MLG player who could beat me without a BR. and im only a 46. truth be told most mlg players are useless unless they have an upper hand of some sort, weather that be a better suited weapon for the fight, or better team work, when it all boils down, these "BR PROs" are less efficient in ACTUAL combat (actually two people participating, not 1 person shooting from afar while the other looks for cover because their weapon lacks the range) than your average staff captain.

  • 04.18.2009 11:27 PM PDT

Bringin' Hayabusa back in style.

I like the design, and the bullets it produces when I press a button.

  • 04.18.2009 11:35 PM PDT

Pay for the sins of your Gods... Astral Corruption!

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Posted by: Soul Reaper716
As much as I'd love to see people use the Magnum to get all their kills, the feat is nothing short of impossible to get people to stop using, and abusing for that matter, the Battle Rifle. I played against many people who wielded the BR and they normally stomped me, however their is the other side of the coin. There are many occassions where I went against MLG players or people who annihilate with the BR, without either of us using a BR and I normally came out on top.

Most people are getting mad once they get killed, the BR's versatility is to blame in my opinion. The fact that the BR can snipe is purely ridiculous in my opinion. On Sandbox, all people do is just BR snipe to win and it works. That infuriates me that people online cannot actually fight on the battlefield with some type of dignity other than, "Hey, I'm going to sit on top of this giant rock. You shoot me enough, I'll duck down and hide. If you come after me, all my team mates will kill you with the BR before you even get close to me."

Another problem is, most people are ONLY effiecient with a BR. Now, I'm just saying, I went against people who could four shot like crazy, but take the BR out of their hands and you'd think they were fresh meat beginners. (I played them online, I don't actually know them nor do I care too...)

People will tend to make fun of each-other, win or lose... Fun is disappearing and fury is rising between players, soon every other person will be receiving complaints for being "Overly Aggressive".

One of the biggest problems is that the BR is a counter all weapon. The BR counters almost every weapon. It has the capability to out snipe a sniper, blow up rockets by shooting them before the rocket even gets close, and take down shotgunners at close range. Although it is not a "Power weapon" it very much plays like one. If I'm off topic in anyway, I apologize. I'm just speaking my mind like everybody else and those are my thoughts on the BR.

And yes, I do acknowledge that the BR was worse in Halo 2, but that's why I personally hated that game. As it was as I call, "The glorification of the Battle Rifle" and every other weapon was a miserable failure in battle when in its comparison.


DEEPLY AGREED. ive only met one level fifty MLG player who could beat me without a BR. and im only a 46. truth be told most mlg players are useless unless they have an upper hand of some sort, weather that be a better suited weapon for the fight, or better team work, when it all boils down, these "BR PROs" are less efficient in ACTUAL combat (actually two people participating, not 1 person shooting from afar while the other looks for cover because their weapon lacks the range) than your average staff captain.


Thank you very much for being some of the very few who actually agree. I've raised this arguement against a very particular person online indeed. He called me an idiot after I countered all of his reasonings and said he was just going to stop talking to me, which translates to: I conceive defeat, but because I have MLG in my name, I'm going to say your wrong and deny your completely logical arguement altogether. Some people are just ONLY good with the BR and that's why once you catch them without one, winning's easy. But alas, BR's are all over every map and gametypes spawn you in with them. We could lower the power or just lower the range, but then that would cause a riot amongst all Halo players and a sin to MLG. (Not that I care...)

One thing is I'm just tired of random people calling themselves "pros" by abusing the BR and the health system. It is very easily abused and it's been done on Sandbox to the point where I was just going insane. The Average Staff Captains may hide a lot, but at least they will face you every now and then instead hiding on some kind of high point with a BR and running back so you can't shoot them. I just think that ever since Halo 2, the BR has changed the gameplay to ridiculous proportions to where sometimes it all comes down to whomever gets the first headshot or how many teammates can shoot the same guy at once.

  • 04.18.2009 11:52 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Soul Reaper716
Thank you very much for being some of the very few who actually agree. I've raised this arguement against a very particular person online indeed. He called me an idiot after I countered all of his reasonings and said he was just going to stop talking to me, which translates to: I conceive defeat, but because I have MLG in my name, I'm going to say your wrong and deny your completely logical arguement altogether. Some people are just ONLY good with the BR and that's why once you catch them without one, winning's easy. But alas, BR's are all over every map and gametypes spawn you in with them. We could lower the power or just lower the range, but then that would cause a riot amongst all Halo players and a sin to MLG. (Not that I care...)

One thing is I'm just tired of random people calling themselves "pros" by abusing the BR and the health system. It is very easily abused and it's been done on Sandbox to the point where I was just going insane. The Average Staff Captains may hide a lot, but at least they will face you every now and then instead hiding on some kind of high point with a BR and running back so you can't shoot them. I just think that ever since Halo 2, the BR has changed the gameplay to ridiculous proportions to where sometimes it all comes down to whomever gets the first headshot or how many teammates can shoot the same guy at once.
You don't play many First-Person Shooters, do you? People use the BR because it is a mid-ranged, headshot capable weapon. Not because of MLG, or it's easy, or any of this other BS that some of these Bungie.net kids come up with.

Excluding Power Weapons, the only mid-ranged weapons are BR, Carbine, M6G Magnum, and Needler. And, I would say that the BR and Carbine are the easiest and most effective out of them. Then you see that the Carbine is limited on maps, which leave's us to more BR use.

Every single weapon in COD4, except for maybe Shotguns, have longer range than the Halo 3 BR (just FYI). If you don't like headshots and shooting at range, then can I recommend maybe Smash Brothers? That game is fun, and you get all the randomness you want with items. No Assault Rifles in that game, either, since you seem to not like Assault Rifles (which, BTW, is what the BR is).

I am curious, though, if Moodapiller refuses to use Vehicles, Rockets, Snipers, Lasors all on principle, since all those are completely superior to the BR in every way. I guess you just use Melee weapons and occasionally the M6G or Carbine. (BTW, I use mostly the M6G because I'm trying to win and it gives me enjoyment; it's not only for fun like you think it is. The Magnum is quite effective. It is pretty much a BR with a little bit less range and no burst function.)

And, can we move pass this bias toward MLG? A good rule of thumb is if you have never played Halo:CE, then keep your mouth shut about it. You don't want to sound ignorant, based on limited experience of competitive gaming, now do you? Also, MLG isn't only Halo, BTW.

  • 04.19.2009 4:00 AM PDT

I just realized how awesome wrecking the enemy team with a Focus Rifle from atop the Spire is. It's magical. It's like Concussion Rifle vs Sword/Shotgun.

*Sigh*Why so much whining really its a video game people come on its a gun you cant perfect a gun no matter what you have to control your gun to be effective dont come complaining in XBL or bungie forums its a waste and that means you are a waste of space and shouldnt use the weapon if you dont like it i mean really its simple train with it the BR just as JonnyOThan said and i quote ''The BR takes skill to use'' is a very complex explanation so JUST DONT USE THE GUN!!!!!!!!

  • 04.19.2009 8:22 PM PDT

BR? wtf is that. I just want the old Halo CE pistol.

  • 04.19.2009 10:01 PM PDT

PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALO 4

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Thats funny, seems you read it

  • 04.20.2009 11:29 AM PDT

BR stands for Beastly Rifle cause its fine how bungie made it! fine=beastly

  • 04.20.2009 3:20 PM PDT
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its definitely not random its pretty accurate the only difference is that you have to lead your shots whitch can actually seperate the people who can truly 4 shot and the ones that can't. now clearly since you said you can't 4 shot in halo 3 but in halo 2 u could is because you probably aren't leading correctly.

  • 04.20.2009 4:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: Soul Reaper716
Thank you very much for being some of the very few who actually agree. I've raised this arguement against a very particular person online indeed. He called me an idiot after I countered all of his reasonings and said he was just going to stop talking to me, which translates to: I conceive defeat, but because I have MLG in my name, I'm going to say your wrong and deny your completely logical arguement altogether. Some people are just ONLY good with the BR and that's why once you catch them without one, winning's easy. But alas, BR's are all over every map and gametypes spawn you in with them. We could lower the power or just lower the range, but then that would cause a riot amongst all Halo players and a sin to MLG. (Not that I care...)

One thing is I'm just tired of random people calling themselves "pros" by abusing the BR and the health system. It is very easily abused and it's been done on Sandbox to the point where I was just going insane. The Average Staff Captains may hide a lot, but at least they will face you every now and then instead hiding on some kind of high point with a BR and running back so you can't shoot them. I just think that ever since Halo 2, the BR has changed the gameplay to ridiculous proportions to where sometimes it all comes down to whomever gets the first headshot or how many teammates can shoot the same guy at once.
You don't play many First-Person Shooters, do you? People use the BR because it is a mid-ranged, headshot capable weapon. Not because of MLG, or it's easy, or any of this other BS that some of these Bungie.net kids come up with.

Excluding Power Weapons, the only mid-ranged weapons are BR, Carbine, M6G Magnum, and Needler. And, I would say that the BR and Carbine are the easiest and most effective out of them. Then you see that the Carbine is limited on maps, which leave's us to more BR use.

Every single weapon in COD4, except for maybe Shotguns, have longer range than the Halo 3 BR (just FYI). If you don't like headshots and shooting at range, then can I recommend maybe Smash Brothers? That game is fun, and you get all the randomness you want with items. No Assault Rifles in that game, either, since you seem to not like Assault Rifles (which, BTW, is what the BR is).

I am curious, though, if Moodapiller refuses to use Vehicles, Rockets, Snipers, Lasors all on principle, since all those are completely superior to the BR in every way. I guess you just use Melee weapons and occasionally the M6G or Carbine. (BTW, I use mostly the M6G because I'm trying to win and it gives me enjoyment; it's not only for fun like you think it is. The Magnum is quite effective. It is pretty much a BR with a little bit less range and no burst function.)

And, can we move pass this bias toward MLG? A good rule of thumb is if you have never played Halo:CE, then keep your mouth shut about it. You don't want to sound ignorant, based on limited experience of competitive gaming, now do you? Also, MLG isn't only Halo, BTW.


u obviously haven't played many FPS. rockets are superior to BR? are u kidding me? lets try it out, u get a rocket and i get a BR valhalla, lets see who wins, if u beat me, ill commend u as the best player i know and get as many people as i can to convice bungi to give u recon. lazer? once again, same senario lets see who wins on valhalla. and vehichles? that depends a Br is definatly greater than a warthog, because a warthog cant shoot. a mongoose? thats a joke, a beatdown beats a mongoos.

i think everyone on halo can agree we play halo because u can beat someone who has a edge over you, in halo u can get shot first and still come out victor if your better, unlike COD where by first see first win. its a simple game of hide n seek. halo gives everyone the opportunity to thrive it all depends on how you play it, othr FPS make it so if u finde osmeone first u automaticy win (unless your handiecaped in some way,) there are only a few games like halo (gears of war, turok etc.) and just like halo they have their own exploits but halo has the least. halo only has two major exploits, the Br and the beat down systems, but we cna all agree u can never have a perfect baetdowns system so lets just let sleeping dogs lye.

here are stats to prove your logic is broken beyond repair.

laser: 5 shots. precharge shots, overheat. can only be paried by cover.
rockets: 2 shot clip, 2 spare clips. ca be paried by a jump. or walking away. reload
BR 36 round clip. 12 rounds kill, 3 kills per clip, 2 spare clips. 9 kills per BR. reload can only be paried by cover. the BR is obviously supirior to bot of those.

i played CE like no tommorow i grew up with that game, but in that game every weapon was a power weapon so they were all balnced, a PP could kill a sniper. and PR could kill a rocket at close range, and a shotgun could out range an AR. all the weapons in that game were balanced because all of them were effective in almost every way. (i beat the campaing on legendary by my self usnig only a PP without charging it.) the only thing wrong with that game was the vehichles. and therw wouldent be a bias against MLg if they werent so ignorant them selves "oh im so pro because i can shoot someone across the map with a weapon that give me head shots reguardless of where i actual have my crosair."

and u wana argue is MLG isnt only halo? mlg has a PSU branch, but has anyone heard of it? no, so it dont matter, look at is logicly

no one knows you have a brother, u may as well be an only child in the eyes of the world.

and FYI the BR mid range? u must have 1 eye or are the lagiest player on Xbox live, because everyone including I can snipe with the BR, i know ive never been killd by a sniper at cross lever range when i have a
BR, and if u cant pull that off, thats a personal problem cuz the BR is long ranged.

want proof? it has a fricken scope, 'nuff said.

  • 04.20.2009 5:59 PM PDT

Posted by: MOOdapiller
u obviously haven't played many FPS. rockets are superior to BR? are u kidding me? lets try it out, u get a rocket and i get a BR valhalla, lets see who wins, if u beat me, ill commend u as the best player i know and get as many people as i can to convice bungi to give u recon. lazer? once again, same senario lets see who wins on valhalla. and vehichles? that depends a Br is definatly greater than a warthog, because a warthog cant shoot. a mongoose? thats a joke, a beatdown beats a mongoos.
The fact that you just used a hypothetical 1v1 game on Valhalla to illustrate your points on weapon balance makes it impossible for me to take anything you have to say seriously.

and FYI the BR mid range? Mid-range is a generous categorization for the BR when you look at the general size of the maps in Halo 3. The gun's spread makes long distance combat laughable.

u must have 1 eye or are the lagiest player on Xbox live, because everyone including I can snipe with the BR, lies.

i know ive never been killd by a sniper at cross lever range when i have a
BR
more lies.

  • 04.20.2009 10:43 PM PDT

the BR is one of the best weapons anyone who complains about it is a total noob

  • 04.21.2009 5:00 AM PDT

Posted by: buttwick
the BR is one of the best weapons anyone who complains about it is a total noob


Must you make the rest of us BR fans look like jackasses?

  • 04.21.2009 9:46 AM PDT

when the census came around, for religion I put Bungie.

Posted by: SMGstrings
Posted by: buttwick
the BR is one of the best weapons anyone who complains about it is a total noob


Must you make the rest of us BR fans look like jackasses?


Thank you

  • 04.21.2009 12:51 PM PDT

Creating destiny's, sealing fates.

Sporting the Bungie day reconz

I honestly don't see a huge problem with the battle rifle. Every game has new updates in it and this was one of them. This game is different from the last one big deal. I say keep the battle rifle the way it is and either learn to use it or stick to a different weapon.

  • 04.21.2009 5:03 PM PDT

When enlightenment is the question. The Answer is Pain.
When Ignorance is the problem. The Answer is Blood.
When love is absent. Hatred fills the void.

Agreed.

  • 04.21.2009 8:22 PM PDT

All are welcome! Come join the Vidmasterists!~S

Idont get what people think is wrong with it, its an awesome gun.

  • 04.21.2009 8:37 PM PDT

Posted by: buttwick
the BR is one of the best weapons anyone who complains about it is a total noob


exactly! its good enough, anyone who need a better gun to kill should consider the sword buble sheild combo

  • 04.21.2009 9:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Nokterne
Posted by: MOOdapiller
u obviously haven't played many FPS. rockets are superior to BR? are u kidding me? lets try it out, u get a rocket and i get a BR valhalla, lets see who wins, if u beat me, ill commend u as the best player i know and get as many people as i can to convice bungi to give u recon. lazer? once again, same senario lets see who wins on valhalla. and vehichles? that depends a Br is definatly greater than a warthog, because a warthog cant shoot. a mongoose? thats a joke, a beatdown beats a mongoos.
The fact that you just used a hypothetical 1v1 game on Valhalla to illustrate your points on weapon balance makes it impossible for me to take anything you have to say seriously.

and FYI the BR mid range? Mid-range is a generous categorization for the BR when you look at the general size of the maps in Halo 3. The gun's spread makes long distance combat laughable.

u must have 1 eye or are the lagiest player on Xbox live, because everyone including I can snipe with the BR, lies.

i know ive never been killd by a sniper at cross lever range when i have a
BR
more lies.


ive asked once and ill ask it again, keep your personal inability to use the BR out of the disscution. just becauseu can not snipe with a BR doesn't mean it is impossible. and by the size of all the mas, the BR can shoot far past across at least 50 percent of the maps.

the Br has almost no spread compaired to every other gun. so quit whining, its not the spread, you just cant aim.

your basicly blaming the car for crashing after you drove drunk.

  • 04.21.2009 9:41 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

I've said this once and I'll say this again; keep your personal inability to use the BR out of this discussion.Yeah, Nokterne. Learn how to snipe with the BR. MOOdapiller can do it. Why can't you?

...the BR can shoot far pass across at least 50 percent of the maps.I'm a little unsure of what you were trying to say, but, in any case, I disagree. The BR can shoot all the way across every map. It is a known fact that if you pull the trigger, the bullets will travel the length of the maps, no matter how large the maps may be.

You're basically blaming the car for crashing after you drove drunk.Best analogy EVAR.

[Edited on 04.21.2009 10:43 PM PDT]

  • 04.21.2009 10:41 PM PDT

You, like many many others, are a casual a gamer. I know this because people who understand competitive gaming know that having a "god weapon" is vital to competitive play. Reach's sandbox makes you choose a weapon and stick to it's niche. But when you have a dominant all-purpose weapon, you are free to move around the map. When you can navigate the entire map, you are suddenly given many more options strategically, and being able to find the best option is indeed a skill.

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
You're basically blaming the car for crashing after you drove drunk.Best analogy EVAR.


Maybe, Maybe someone will come up with a better analogy in time.

  • 04.22.2009 5:49 AM PDT

Competitiveness!

I bet I can 4 shot Achronos.

  • 04.22.2009 7:39 AM PDT

Its overpowered, but then again that is just because most of the other weapons suck.

  • 04.22.2009 7:48 AM PDT