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Halo without the BRs is like Unreal without it's Redeemer. It's what keeps Halo Halo.

and also I can't snipe with it but hay, It's a great weapon anyway.

[Edited on 04.26.2009 9:22 AM PDT]

  • 04.26.2009 9:19 AM PDT

I'm seriously doubting I'll get any real response from a developer here, and in that case, I may take this to a new thread(where I'm sure I'll be met with similar success, but I'll try nonetheless).

Anyways, would anyone be willing to give me the possible deviation from the center of the reticule for the second bullet in a BR burst?

Also, can anyone give me any insight as to the distribution of the deviation for each bullet? As in a flat rate or normal distribution centered at the center or otherwise? Thanks.

  • 04.26.2009 4:19 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: GreenEyezFox4879
I'm seriously doubting I'll get any real response from a developer here, and in that case, I may take this to a new thread(where I'm sure I'll be met with similar success, but I'll try nonetheless).

Anyways, would anyone be willing to give me the possible deviation from the center of the reticule for the second bullet in a BR burst?

Also, can anyone give me any insight as to the distribution of the deviation for each bullet? As in a flat rate or normal distribution centered at the center or otherwise? Thanks.
Try looking into the weekly update that enlightened us on the subject.

  • 04.26.2009 9:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Try looking into the weekly update that enlightened us on the subject.


I did, it gives the margin of error for the first and third but not the second("somewhere between the first and third" is not necessarily the average). Also, it doesn't talk about the probability distribution. I want to guess bell curve, but I could be wrong.

  • 04.26.2009 10:16 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: GreenEyezFox4879
Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Try looking into the weekly update that enlightened us on the subject.


I did, it gives the margin of error for the first and third but not the second("somewhere between the first and third" is not necessarily the average). Also, it doesn't talk about the probability distribution. I want to guess bell curve, but I could be wrong.
Oh, guess you are out of luck. But, I'm pretty sure it is a random number generator controlling the MoEs. It is just random. There is no probability distribution as far as I'm concerned.

  • 04.26.2009 10:48 PM PDT

Can't bungie just make everything BR starts with AR as secondary? i feel like this would please everyone. I for one, as well as many other people, are convinced that the br is better than the ar so i want to start with it. and for those who are convinced that the ar is better than the br can have their choice as well. i don't see a flaw with this proposition. what do you guys think?

  • 04.27.2009 5:44 PM PDT

Posted by: Feliix7
I see that Bungie has no intention of bringing back the BR back to its former glory
Watch this video as it pertains and is funny to this thread :D

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/awC5cUtgbOc.html

it's sad because everyone i personally know has just stopped playing halo 3
because of all the changes it brought along, especially the BR, the oversized maps, the horrible spawns, the leading your shots thing, the fact they made EVERYTHING in it slower
spikers suck period, and the list goes on and on

Of all the people on my xbox live "friend's list," most of them have either:
completely stopped playing Halo 3 or have STILL remained playing Halo 2
The remaining few who DO play Halo 3 don't play it as much as they played Halo 2
and i asked everyone one of them which game they preferred...all of them said instantly
Halo 2 without a doubt...we still have some FFA's on Halo 2 on those rare occasions

i remember,
i bought my old original Xbox and got Xbox Live because of Halo 2
it's sad but i found it to be that good of a game

i look at Halo 3 today and i just shake my head...
in my opinion bungie just ruined everything good in Halo

i wont go so far as to say "omg F*%& bungie etc" like that
Dan91 guy but i will just stop playing and purchasing any Halo related
merchandise

i gave Halo 3 a chance because maybe it's an acquired taste you know...but after leveling to 50 i find it was a breeze to do.Any monkey can level to 50 in this game it's just ridiculously easy to do and because it's so simple to do the levels in this game are just meaningless all of those ranks those EXP. points completely meaningless because it doesn't show any skill it just shows how long you've played it and not how good you are.

haha back in halo 2 getting to level 40 was kinda hard and 45+ well you were a beast if you could but then all those cheaters came and the game became ruined

but still FFA's were where it was at...nothing beats the satisfaction you get from Double shotting and opponent twice in succession, BXR, RRX YY RRX, good little glitches that made the game all the more fun and they were hard to master at first but it was just fun to do

i look at Halo 3 today and it's just a letdown no Doubleshot anymore no BXR the battle rifle as weak as it is now...it is STILL the most preffered gun to have it's either that or an Assault rifle honestly thats a no-brainer

bungie i dont mean to say you guys suck and im not saying ^*^* you or anything it's just well you guys let me down and all of the old Halo 2 guys down i shake my head at you guys

halo 3 was for so much more but what it is now its just not my type of game anymore
watch the video and you may just as well understand my frustration with this game abit more
because alot of people have had that done and the BR is destined to be a shadow of it's former self and for me personally well after you've tried silk, cotton simply won't do
(fable quote) :D

halo 3 is just needlesly slow for my taste, everything in it is slowed down from the speed of which the master chief walks to the time it take to shot and shot again everything is just slower

so with that i will just walk out the door (figuratively speaking of course) :D
and i will no longer play halo 3 anymore perhaps some Halo 2 but as for halo 3 its just not fun anymore why play a game thats set in an unrealistic world with unrealistic enemies and then have the gun shots be realistic lol

read the post up above mine by quoted by "Captain_Keyes557"
it basically sets it all in perspective

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/awC5cUtgbOc.html :D





so it was only fun when you could BXR? you finde that fun? an unfair advantage to those who areunawar of exploits in the game, sorry to say but in my opinion i think bungie is glad you dont play anymore, u save them 1 less effort twords the ban hammer. halo did change, and although most hate chage (especialy when they are so used to winning) halo 3 changed for the better, the game is no longer about cheap tricks, its about besting somone

the weapons are more balance, and if werent for all of you who complain about how the gun is broken, the Br would be balanced too.

i do agree the maps have become more a pive of art than a suitable play ground. but hay, they gave us forge, and wecan fix that now.

  • 04.27.2009 10:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Turin117
Can't bungie just make everything BR starts with AR as secondary? i feel like this would please everyone. I for one, as well as many other people, are convinced that the br is better than the ar so i want to start with it. and for those who are convinced that the ar is better than the br can have their choice as well. i don't see a flaw with this proposition. what do you guys think?


u may want to look up what people say about the AR. its widly accepted that the Br is better than the AR, giving us both wepaon would only incline the game more against the AR.

peoples only complaint about the Ar is that u can shoot smack quickly. besides that the BR beats it in every way shape and form.

therefore if they add a BR at spawn, people who prefer useing a weapon that actualy requiers you to fight (AR) will lose against the BR's awesome "im gana sit back here where you cant possibly hit me and i wont even contemplate actualy letting you have a rational chance at hitting me with even 1 damn bullet. and then claim i am better than you when i obviousle beat u only due to my better equipment" method.

i say give everyone one pistols, and increas the pistols clip to 10. that would make the magnum a good weapon because it would have the compacity to kill 2 enemys with 1 clip.
(not sure but i think i just noticed the pistol is the only weapon that can NOT kill more than 1 enemy without reloading.)) and i think the pistol and AR are more evenly matched

the pistol kills furter and faster than the AR but is harder to aim with by far..

  • 04.27.2009 10:33 PM PDT

doom king204

I think the br is great because if you keep your distance you will win and you need accuracy for the br always aim for the head

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Posted by: UberZeO666
The BR takes skill to use now. And everyone is gonna have to deal with it


Exactly

  • 04.28.2009 8:35 AM PDT
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What would you know?...you use an AR.

The BR is perfect the way it is.
stop whinning.

  • 04.28.2009 9:29 AM PDT

Um...yeah...the BR is my favorite gun in the game. yeah...thats about it.

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The BR is absolutely not perfect the way it is. H2 BR was perfection. The H3 spread has completely lowered the skill level required to properly wield it. In H2 you had to be aiming perfectly at someone across the map to hit them. But in H3 you could be off by a little bit and still deal a fair bit of damage because of that ridiculous spread.

Also, double shot is gone and that was awesome for those who mastered it.

  • 04.28.2009 4:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Wonderbread1764
The BR is absolutely not perfect the way it is. H2 BR was perfection. The H3 spread has completely lowered the skill level required to properly wield it. In H2 you had to be aiming perfectly at someone across the map to hit them. But in H3 you could be off by a little bit and still deal a fair bit of damage because of that ridiculous spread.

Also, double shot is gone and that was awesome for those who mastered it.


BR glitches like multishot and bxr made the gun more effective than any other weapon in the game. The BR in Halo 2 took away the need to grab any gun other than maybe a sniper. This ruined the game for anyone who hadn't mastered these often difficult glitches.

In Halo 3 they "dumbed down" the BR by removing its hitscan shot, removing most, if not all, glitches associated with the weapon and balancing it with the rest of the weapons in the game.

  • 04.28.2009 6:21 PM PDT
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The complaints about the Battle Rifle are like the complaints about the MP40 in Call of Duty: WAW

  • 04.28.2009 6:51 PM PDT

Posted by: SMGstrings
Posted by: Wonderbread1764
The BR is absolutely not perfect the way it is. H2 BR was perfection. The H3 spread has completely lowered the skill level required to properly wield it. In H2 you had to be aiming perfectly at someone across the map to hit them. But in H3 you could be off by a little bit and still deal a fair bit of damage because of that ridiculous spread.

Also, double shot is gone and that was awesome for those who mastered it.


BR glitches like multishot and bxr made the gun more effective than any other weapon in the game. The BR in Halo 2 took away the need to grab any gun other than maybe a sniper. This ruined the game for anyone who hadn't mastered these often difficult glitches.

In Halo 3 they "dumbed down" the BR by removing its hitscan shot, removing most, if not all, glitches associated with the weapon and balancing it with the rest of the weapons in the game.


near balance. it still takes away the desission making, it damn near every weapon in the game except for specialty weapons. (shotgun for point blank, laser for vehic, etc.)
it eliminates all skill associated with the counter system.

  • 04.28.2009 8:09 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: SMGstrings
Posted by: Wonderbread1764
The BR is absolutely not perfect the way it is. H2 BR was perfection. The H3 spread has completely lowered the skill level required to properly wield it. In H2 you had to be aiming perfectly at someone across the map to hit them. But in H3 you could be off by a little bit and still deal a fair bit of damage because of that ridiculous spread.

Also, double shot is gone and that was awesome for those who mastered it.


BR glitches like multishot and bxr made the gun more effective than any other weapon in the game. The BR in Halo 2 took away the need to grab any gun other than maybe a sniper. This ruined the game for anyone who hadn't mastered these often difficult glitches.

In Halo 3 they "dumbed down" the BR by removing its hitscan shot, removing most, if not all, glitches associated with the weapon and balancing it with the rest of the weapons in the game.
First of all, the "dumbing down" of the BR, as you put it, had nothing to do with the removal of its hitscan functionality and glitches. It had to do with the widening of the spread to cater to those who like close-ranged fights better and get annoyed when they are shot from anywhere other than from close-range. I've heard the compaints, and they are usually "OMG, I got shot before I saw him"-esque. I hate to say, but anyone who had a problem with the Halo 2 BR was a scrub. It's kind of like how some of you say to adapt with what Halo 3 provides; you should've adapted to what Halo 2 provided. All the Halo 2 BR did was bring the range that FPSs should have, and it was one of 3 weapons with range. But, I guess some of you guys, biased as usual, have a problem with range.

Also, I never even once used or even tried to use any of the exploits in Halo 2. Does that mean it ruined the game for me? No, I did just fine using what was intended by Bungie. I wonder how many people I killed who were trying to use these button glitches. It was not something that was necessary and it was not something that ruined the game. (Super bounces were another story though, since you could actually see it happen)

However, any unintended glitch used to gain an advantage has no place whatsoever in a video game. Sorry, but you guys who loved these flaws in the game need to get over it. Grow up, in other words.

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u cant kill 2 enemies with a carbine i think all i know is its a reall-blam!- if u can

  • 04.29.2009 3:20 AM PDT

I luv cupcakes :3

"The BR, a weapon in master class(MLG)!"

The BR is the best weapon in the halo trilogy!!!!!!!!only not because of its accuracy and power but design!!!!

I am giving away rockets swords and hammers for the BR

  • 04.29.2009 10:14 AM PDT

Halo 4 FTW

Thanks for the info

  • 04.29.2009 2:42 PM PDT

Banhammer > Recon?

The best guns are your defaults. BR FTW. The 4 shot is awesome.

  • 04.29.2009 5:40 PM PDT

drink tea get rad!

BR is the best gun in halo and it is better then sword and the sniper thats all i can say

  • 04.30.2009 4:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.


Thats one hefty article... Amazing tho. Explains alot

  • 04.30.2009 6:41 AM PDT
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Could the BR be anymore awesome! It's so friggin awesome! The three burst function, the half-scoped function and the excellent melee stance! What more could you guys ask for?! If even Bungie can make that Battle Rifle better, be my guest! That thing is epic!

Cheers! To the UNSC BR! And to Bungie! (Clink!)

[Edited on 04.30.2009 7:18 AM PDT]

  • 04.30.2009 7:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


^^^^^

Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.

  • 04.30.2009 12:33 PM PDT