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Subject: The Only BR Thread

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: Bourbon OWNS
In case you haven't noticed, others have complained about other weapons having ridiculous spreads. The Assault Rifle isn't accurate enough. The Battle Rifle isn't accurate enough.

There are better ways to balance a game besides making the weapons miss randomly when my aim is spot on. I would KILL for an Assault Rifle that did 20% less damage but was 20% more accurate. Why? Because this is a game about shooting. The weapons aren't fancy clubs, and the bullets aren't "shield removers so I can kill with a beatdown". It's about aiming at another player, and gunning them down. Sure, Melee and Grenades add a bit of variety to the game, but at it's core, Halo is a first person SHOOTER.

I'll say it again, because apparently people like to "tl;dr" my posts and ignore the best bits of information. This isn't a problem of the Battle Rifle having limited range for balance reasons. The Battle Rifle actually misses within 25 meters against an unmoving target. That is absolutely ridiculous. The targetting reticule was RED, I am very close to my target, they aren't moving, and there is still a luck factor involved?

Luck does not equal balance. You can adjust the power of a weapon to make it balanced, but making it only work sometimes is absolutely ludicrous. What's next? Will they add random misfires into the game too?

I have been following Bungie since before some of you kids were born. Who played the Marathon trilogy? I did. Just because I'm a fan of Bungie doesn't mean it's my duty to kiss their ass and defend a flaw in their game. No wonder other boards mock you guys and call you fanboys. Seriously, think for yourselves for once. If you actually had a good argument for the other side maybe you could put up a convincing debate of sorts... but basically this thread is turning into two sides. The side that kisses up to bungie and "<3s bungie" and the side that "H8s bungie" but has the brains to point out a problem in the game.


Another thing I would like to add. This isn't just "Em Ell Gee" players complaining. I don't touch MLG, I only play Social Slayer and Social Big Team. Other people are tired of losing battles to luck too, not just hardcore players.
Finally someone who has taken my thoughts and presented them effectively. I agree 100% with your post as it's what I've been trying to explain for the past year but always get flamed for it.

  • 06.03.2009 9:34 PM PDT

The BR is absolutely fine. The problem is that it is does not come up enough in the team slayer playlist. Maps like Guardian and Blackout should be BR start compulsary.

  • 06.04.2009 4:10 AM PDT

i also like the br the way it is

  • 06.04.2009 7:35 AM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

Want to hear a funny joke? Marijuana prohibition.

Please Bungie, make the BR a consistent weapon

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YEAAAA

  • 06.04.2009 12:02 PM PDT
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Halo CE > Halo 3 > Halo 2

Fix the Halo 3 BR spread, plz.

I just popped in Halo: CE and I was very, very surprised. Although the Motion Tracker says it was 15 meters (it's off by a long shot o_o) I could easily blast away with the Assault Rifle from quite a distance away. Even when your opponent can fit inside the reticule you can take them down with careful bursts. Even more surprising is that it can kill in only 15 bullets! It's awesome.

The Shotgun was also surprising, it can actually shoot farther than 5 feet, like a real shotgun does. I could pick off players without shields from a decent range.

The Pistol was overpowered, just like I remember. But it requires a great deal of skill as well... getting these "three-shot kills" was much more difficult than I thought it would be.

Exactly. These increased weapon ranges made more weapons useful on smaller maps and larger maps and also contributed to the medium-fast paced gameplay Halo CE offered. I don't understand why Bungie made the ranges significantly smaller.

[Edited on 06.04.2009 3:50 PM PDT]

  • 06.04.2009 3:50 PM PDT

373 Plasma Pistol kills and counting

Posted by: Foahda
I just popped in Halo: CE and I was very, very surprised. Although the Motion Tracker says it was 15 meters (it's off by a long shot o_o) I could easily blast away with the Assault Rifle from quite a distance away. Even when your opponent can fit inside the reticule you can take them down with careful bursts. Even more surprising is that it can kill in only 15 bullets! It's awesome.

The Shotgun was also surprising, it can actually shoot farther than 5 feet, like a real shotgun does. I could pick off players without shields from a decent range.

The Pistol was overpowered, just like I remember. But it requires a great deal of skill as well... getting these "three-shot kills" was much more difficult than I thought it would be.

Exactly. These increased weapon ranges made more weapons useful on smaller maps and larger maps and also contributed to the medium-fast paced gameplay Halo CE offered. I don't understand why Bungie made the ranges significantly smaller.


Dude yeah it's like they based the game around the Shotgun instead of mid-range combat.

Count all the mid-range weapons. Battle Rifle, Carbine, Magnum (iffy) and Rocket Launcher.

Then check out the close range weaponry: SMG, Shotgun, Hammer, Sword, Mauler, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Pistol, Assault Rifle, Spiker.

That's like 3-4 mid-range weapons (one of which is a power weapon) and like nine close-range weapons. Ten if you consider the Brute Shot to be close-ranged. Seriously, they should have made an accurate Brute weapon instead of adding three more close-range weapons... and made the Pistol suck less ass.

  • 06.04.2009 4:09 PM PDT
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wow

  • 06.04.2009 4:19 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

I swear to GOD, that if Halo:Reach comes out and in its default form for MP, the -blam!- ASS Rifle is the only starting weapon, I'm selling my disc back. I will no longer settle for a weapon that has the effectiveness of a lesser Shotgun. I was sick of it from Halo 2, and I was sick of it back in September when I was regularly playing Halo 3.

Aside from that, if Halo:Reach does not have a single-shot, headshot capable weapon with more range than the current water hose of a weapon we have with the BR, Carbine, and M6G, then I will be thoroughly pissed (not that I am not right now).

To the future, and may Bungie not -blam!- up another game.

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cause you cant use the BR doesnt mean they should change it.
it is what it is, either play the game or go play uno. bunch of bks..

  • 06.04.2009 5:34 PM PDT

373 Plasma Pistol kills and counting

Posted by: iiCaRrY YoU
cause you cant use the BR doesnt mean they should change it.
it is what it is, either play the game or go play uno. bunch of bks..


jesus christ could you take two seconds to read... everyone here can use the BR, does that mean it's a balanced weapon, no.

read the mother -blam!- thread before you mother -blam!- post

  • 06.04.2009 5:59 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Just ignore him. He's a SWAT "Pro". You can't touch him. He's too good, LOL. Because we all know Pros at SWAT are unbelievable with the BR, and can always 4-shot, no matter what. :)

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BR ROCKS THE WAY IT IS

  • 06.04.2009 7:16 PM PDT

This is actually the stupidest thing ever posted on B.net:

Posted by: the omega man117
Why does everyone hate Halo 2? Maybe its because its the worst game ever next to mario.

The Halo 3 BR is fine the way it is!

But the H2 BR would eat the H3 BR instantly, Regurgitate it and let the grunts snack on the rest.

  • 06.04.2009 7:18 PM PDT

snarful

the BR is great, an all purpose wepon!

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  • 06.04.2009 7:34 PM PDT

Why the hell must we lead our shots 500 years into the future...? Whatever, I can deal with that, but the random spread of the BR is just ridiculous. I've watched video's of past games where I've lost battles but have hit the opposing player with supposedly "every" shot, but lost due to the spread.

Not fair Bungie...

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NO GROUP INVITES!!!

Posted by: iceman5135
the BR is great, an all purpose wepon!

Which is a problem. BR wins (well can win) (if the user is decent) against dual wielding and AR at short range. Assuming the AR/DW user is not completle idiot like they tend to be.
BR is supposed to be medium range weapon... sure it is. But is it supposed to work that well on short range? IMO it shouldn't.

Dual wielding should be better at close range than AR but due the damage nerf (while dual wieldin, each weapon deals only 75% of normal damage, total damage output is only 150%)
and the fact with AR you can use grenades it's not that great. But this is one reason why BR is so used even on short range (IMO it seems so). And since BR is so good at short range, people keep AR as nuisance as it doesn't offer anything BR can't do. There ain't much reason to switch AR even on short range despite it being slightly better there. And that slight part can be forgotten with good aiming.

If BR had slightly higher damage and slower rate of fire, wouldn't it weaker it short range fighting capabilites but not so much it's medium range capabilities? Maybe it would need also a slight accuracy increase (or reducing the inconsistency?) along with the damage increase?

IMO BR is fine otherwise but it's too good at close/short range, making already weak short range weapons even weaker...

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  • 06.05.2009 1:19 AM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

In regards to the post above^^^^^

As long as it has a headshot bonus, it will be more effective than an AR, provided you have grenades. At close range, a 4-shot is not stronger than most close-ranged weapons. However, if grenades are equipped it is obviously better because it deals headshots. I can say that for the M6G Magnum (which btw I use just like a BR) and Carbine. So do you feel the same about those weapons?

A slower rate of fire for a weapon that already has a slow rate of fire, would do nothing but cater Halo 3 even more towards close-range. The problem is the effectiveness of most close-ranged weapons.


I would love to see, for Halo:Reach, single-shot weapons (like Pistol, PP, PR, etc.) that can hit a target from a distance where the target can barely be seen. Although, that could cause some idiots into thinking the Plasma Rifle is now a Sniper, lol. I would love that range be balanced by bullet speed instead of a random number generator; or at least have recoil be the main cause of the widening of the spread.

I would love to see, for Halo:Reach, only a small number of close-ranged (severely limited/Melee) weapons (like Shotgun, Sword, PP, and PR)

EDIT: Oh and bring back the stun capabilities.

I would love to see, for Halo:Reach, a full-auto AR where its spread is completely controlled by the user. As in, the spread widens when you hold the trigger, but when pulsed the spread is minute.

I would love to see, for Halo:Reach, all weapons dealing more damage while hitting the target's head, with the precision weapons having the instant headshot capability.

Of course, zero of these things will be found in this new game, because Bungie is most likely just rushing out a product, which uses what they have from Halo 3 and ODST, and turning it into probably a 3rd-person shooter or squad-based or something else that is different; which, is ok, as long as the weapons don't function similar.

Maybe I shouldn't post what I want in Halo:Reach here (since it does have a forum). I just don't think Bungie really is on the same page as I and some others are. It's amazing what I can turn a BR discussion into, though. Well, anyway, TO THE FUTURE; no reason at trying to improve Halo 3 anymore.

[Edited on 06.05.2009 1:59 AM PDT]

  • 06.05.2009 1:56 AM PDT
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mission accomplished, im on board with it!
Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


^^^^^

Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.

  • 06.05.2009 8:14 AM PDT
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why have you spent years of your life arguing over a gun in a video game?
Posted by: BadBall3r47
Posted by: Bourbon OWNS
In case you haven't noticed, others have complained about other weapons having ridiculous spreads. The Assault Rifle isn't accurate enough. The Battle Rifle isn't accurate enough.

There are better ways to balance a game besides making the weapons miss randomly when my aim is spot on. I would KILL for an Assault Rifle that did 20% less damage but was 20% more accurate. Why? Because this is a game about shooting. The weapons aren't fancy clubs, and the bullets aren't "shield removers so I can kill with a beatdown". It's about aiming at another player, and gunning them down. Sure, Melee and Grenades add a bit of variety to the game, but at it's core, Halo is a first person SHOOTER.

I'll say it again, because apparently people like to "tl;dr" my posts and ignore the best bits of information. This isn't a problem of the Battle Rifle having limited range for balance reasons. The Battle Rifle actually misses within 25 meters against an unmoving target. That is absolutely ridiculous. The targetting reticule was RED, I am very close to my target, they aren't moving, and there is still a luck factor involved?

Luck does not equal balance. You can adjust the power of a weapon to make it balanced, but making it only work sometimes is absolutely ludicrous. What's next? Will they add random misfires into the game too?

I have been following Bungie since before some of you kids were born. Who played the Marathon trilogy? I did. Just because I'm a fan of Bungie doesn't mean it's my duty to kiss their ass and defend a flaw in their game. No wonder other boards mock you guys and call you fanboys. Seriously, think for yourselves for once. If you actually had a good argument for the other side maybe you could put up a convincing debate of sorts... but basically this thread is turning into two sides. The side that kisses up to bungie and "<3s bungie" and the side that "H8s bungie" but has the brains to point out a problem in the game.


Another thing I would like to add. This isn't just "Em Ell Gee" players complaining. I don't touch MLG, I only play Social Slayer and Social Big Team. Other people are tired of losing battles to luck too, not just hardcore players.
Finally someone who has taken my thoughts and presented them effectively. I agree 100% with your post as it's what I've been trying to explain for the past year but always get flamed for it.

  • 06.05.2009 8:19 AM PDT
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whats new with the BR?

  • 06.05.2009 11:04 AM PDT
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the BR is like the only good wepon exept for the sniper

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Posted by: mooshmoossh
I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.


I agree.

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look people, the br was like a fricking sniper for all ranges in halo 2 and was incredibly consistent. For halo 3 bungie did'nt want the whole Halo title to revolve around the Br. Ofcourse nowadays the br is still somewhat dominant but halo 3 doesnt revolve around it as much that's why they brung back the AR and added many new weapons and the mangnum doesnt have zoom in scope and that's also why they took lock-on away from the rocket launcher so they can add in the spartan laser so the rocket won't be that dominant (at least against vehicles that is). so try out a different weapon and if you don't want that than go play halo 2 or even switch to balls of doo-doo 4: modern retards, or you can just stay on bungie.net all day long writing extremely long messages(cough,cough) like some guy or girl that cares so much about a video game weapon that they argue with a million dollar company all day long just to change a weapon(cough cough)

  • 06.05.2009 4:53 PM PDT