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i think the Halo3 BR sucks -_-
i liked the Halo2 BR Better

  • 06.10.2009 3:10 PM PDT
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The whole reason people have a hard time transitioning to the BR in halo 3 as apposed to halo 2 is that in halo 2 the bullet mapping is set to point click where as there is minimal to no leading of the shot. The spread was smaller and physics were minimal. Halo 3 is different. More like halo 1. Wich in my opinion is just fine. Whats always helped me in br battles is dont necessarly shoot at the person but more where the gonna be on there movemnet path

  • 06.10.2009 3:44 PM PDT

Posted by: Allied the curs
The whole reason people have a hard time transitioning to the BR in halo 3 as apposed to halo 2 is that in halo 2 the bullet mapping is set to point click where as there is minimal to no leading of the shot. The spread was smaller and physics were minimal. Halo 3 is different. More like halo 1. Wich in my opinion is just fine. Whats always helped me in br battles is dont necessarly shoot at the person but more where the gonna be on there movemnet path


This is one important topic that should be added to my previous post. Yes you should have to lead your a shot. That makes sense. And you currently do have to lead your shots just a little bit. The auto aim in this game was toned downed significantly, and that was a good thing. But the BR spread is ridiculous. I have listed in my previous post what I believe to be valid reasons for change in the Halo 3 BR. Such as a Spartan being able to flip over a multi-ton Scorpion, but yet he cannot hold a BR steady. The fact that is the 26th century and kick back hasn't been eliminated. I mean modern weapons are more accurate than the Battle Rifle is. The fact that Halo 3 should not be using less accurate weapons than Halo 2. It makes no sense. While I do believe the BR needs an accuracy boost, for the reason that someone with perfect aim can lose to someone without, The leading of the BR needs to stay. It separates the great players from the good players, and the good players from the bad players.

  • 06.10.2009 3:54 PM PDT
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I do Agree with most of that. I defiantley understand and repect what your saying about the accuracy difference with halo 2 to halo 3. But towards the end of the halo 2 days it got to be more of a bxr bxb and quad shot battles more so than an actual BR fight. And i think bungie saw that as a problem with which i do agree, so i think halo 3 gave them a new platform for game physics to work with. I dont think the wanted to have that same problem so this was there solution. Now as i was thinking picture the BR in halo 2 and keep the characteristics of the halo 3 BR.... the way halo 3 was made was that it could never accompany a weapon like that. They started with halo 1. changed it in halo 2 to accomidate the BR's arrival. And then took what they had from both games and combined it. I think the new BR is fresh and adds a new intensity to the game

  • 06.10.2009 4:35 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Allied the curs
I do Agree with most of that. I defiantley understand and repect what your saying about the accuracy difference with halo 2 to halo 3. But towards the end of the halo 2 days it got to be more of a bxr bxb and quad shot battles more so than an actual BR fight. And i think bungie saw that as a problem with which i do agree, so i think halo 3 gave them a new platform for game physics to work with. I dont think the wanted to have that same problem so this was there solution. Now as i was thinking picture the BR in halo 2 and keep the characteristics of the halo 3 BR.... the way halo 3 was made was that it could never accompany a weapon like that. They started with halo 1. changed it in halo 2 to accomidate the BR's arrival. And then took what they had from both games and combined it. I think the new BR is fresh and adds a new intensity to the game
I'm not really sure where you were going with the BxR/BxB, etc, since those were glitches, but Bungie designed the BR for Halo 3 differently because they saw that their was a problem. And, that problem was an imbalance. Unfortunately, they chose to bring in the range of certain weapons closer. I never really understood why; were they trying to make Halo a close-ranged game? Either way, alot of people support them I guess. It would've been nice to have a shooter with accurate guns, though.

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This is one important topic that should be added to my previous post. Yes you should have to lead your a shot. That makes sense. And you currently do have to lead your shots just a little bit. The auto aim in this game was toned downed significantly, and that was a good thing. But the BR spread is ridiculous. I have listed in my previous post what I believe to be valid reasons for change in the Halo 3 BR. Such as a Spartan being able to flip over a multi-ton Scorpion, but yet he cannot hold a BR steady. The fact that is the 26th century and kick back hasn't been eliminated. I mean modern weapons are more accurate than the Battle Rifle is. The fact that Halo 3 should not be using less accurate weapons than Halo 2. It makes no sense. While I do believe the BR needs an accuracy boost, for the reason that someone with perfect aim can lose to someone without, The leading of the BR needs to stay. It separates the great players from the good players, and the good players from the bad players.
It shouldn't really ever be about realism or what makes sense. It should be about fun. Though, I think Bungie failed miserably in that respect. But, you have to remember that fun is subjective. There were complaints in Halo 2 about being BR'd without the ability to do anything with their SMG (although that was completely due to SMG-only starts; silly Bungie). But, Bungie was trying to make their game more balanced and therefore more fun. In this case, they balanced their game around spawning with an ineffective close-ranged weapon. A better design decision would've been to up the range of the close-ranged weapons and balance around spawning with an effective mid-ranged weapon. Unfortunately, Bungie forgot about the one thing that they keep telling us, that fun is subjective. They should be designing their game so everyone can enjoy, and with the current design of the BR, they failed; not even longtime Bungie fans who passionately believe the M6D Pistol was overpowered agree with the BR's spread. But, it keeps the people who strive to become AR pro happy, I suppose.

Anyhow, I'm having a much more enjoyable experience with Red Faction:G. I don't have to deal with all the design flaws that Bungie provides or the constant poor connectivity issues. And, I can play my favorite gametype (CTF) without any of these other BS gametypes that we see in Halo 3. Oh, and did I mention you can fight off the spawn in most games (with the AR). Every weapon is useful and no one thing dominates; performance is rewarded by the skill and tactics of the gamer.

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  • 06.10.2009 5:34 PM PDT

I'm an HONORABLE member damnit!

I think the BR is fine the way it is TBH =P

  • 06.10.2009 10:55 PM PDT

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I personally love the BR
i only wish the bullets were a bit more accurate maybe like half the spread range of the current one its just a little too hard to hit some from across the map rite now as it is

  • 06.11.2009 12:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: oOoMillsyoOo
I personally love the BR
i only wish the bullets were a bit more accurate maybe like half the spread range of the current one its just a little too hard to hit some from across the map rite now as it is


I do agree with you my good sir. However, this so called "spread" does encourage teamwork and the ones who are less acurate with the BRifle stands a better chance in my humble opinion.

  • 06.11.2009 3:16 AM PDT
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I too agree on the whole encouraging team work idea. I think it was a subtle yet obvious idea thats found at the foundation of the new halo 3 BR. Team work has been such a big part of halo 3, more so than the previouse 2 installments. We see MLG now more than ever. A game type that basically stands on the ground of teamwork over run and gun. Skill is present of course but the lack of radar insists upon it. Now i understand that MLG has been added much later after release, but i think we could all tell it was coming. I also think that the spread of the burst was expanded to acomidate other game types as well. For instance, and this has happened to us all.... Team swat, walk around the corner see 2 guys and then lay a spread down....double kill, everyone likes a double kill right? If that spread was smaller mabye you wouldnt have gotten that double, mabye that won the game. You got to think about things like that before you rule your opinion on it in one game type.

  • 06.11.2009 4:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: Allied the curs
You got to think about things like that before you rule your opinion on it in one game type.

Indeed.
I thank you for your reply Honorable one.

  • 06.11.2009 5:23 AM PDT

the br is the best wepon ever lolz

  • 06.11.2009 5:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ison Darkcel
the br is the best wepon ever lolz

Yes! Correct!
And it sounds nice to!
*BANG BANG BANG, BANG BANG BANG, BANG BANG BANG*
hi hi

  • 06.11.2009 6:24 AM PDT

They Call Me B.LLOYD

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Why are so many people complaining about the BR spread? I don't see a problem. It's not my top tool of destruction for nothing.

If you played halo 2 you would know what everyone is "complaining" about.

  • 06.11.2009 3:48 PM PDT
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Yes it does sound very nice. Especially when you get in that rythem. It almost purrrs.

  • 06.11.2009 3:50 PM PDT

убивать или быть убитыми

Yeah it is perfectly fine the way it is, and i don't think bungie is going to go through all the trouble to make a download with a new version.

  • 06.11.2009 5:11 PM PDT
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i like the BR to, but you have to admit it can be cheap at times

  • 06.11.2009 5:42 PM PDT

My clips stay hot, My heart stay cold

-cold hearted killa

the brs fine, i just started learning how to br good,what bungie does need to change is the ranking sysytem i get stuck at 30 in every playlist that i play and it ends up taking like 5-7 wins in a row to rank up

  • 06.11.2009 5:43 PM PDT
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i like the ranking system, i think they need to change the shotgun

  • 06.11.2009 5:47 PM PDT
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hi

  • 06.11.2009 6:25 PM PDT
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Amen.

  • 06.11.2009 6:41 PM PDT
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Well BXR is a reason, no?

  • 06.11.2009 6:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Allied the curs
I too agree on the whole encouraging team work idea. I think it was a subtle yet obvious idea thats found at the foundation of the new halo 3 BR. Team work has been such a big part of halo 3, more so than the previouse 2 installments. We see MLG now more than ever. A game type that basically stands on the ground of teamwork over run and gun. Skill is present of course but the lack of radar insists upon it. Now i understand that MLG has been added much later after release, but i think we could all tell it was coming. I also think that the spread of the burst was expanded to acomidate other game types as well. For instance, and this has happened to us all.... Team swat, walk around the corner see 2 guys and then lay a spread down....double kill, everyone likes a double kill right? If that spread was smaller mabye you wouldnt have gotten that double, mabye that won the game. You got to think about things like that before you rule your opinion on it in one game type.


A lucky double kill isn't a valid reason for BR spread. A player should be required to drag the center of the BRs reticle over the heads of each individual player to get the kill. Not to mention at the correct times for the bullet to exit the gun while the reticle is over their heads.

I also believe that teamwork would be even more enforced if the BR were a little more accurate. You required to have better aim for one. If people can accurately shoot you from a distance, then that would require more coordination regarding team movements and things of that nature. The BR being more accurate would actually be effective at blocking a sniper from hitting you from a medium distance. As of now, quick scoping another player in the face really is not that complicated. When teams are forced to play smart, and consider positioning even more, that would increase the teamwork required to succeed. For example, a player running open lift on Construct to open ramp might actually have to consider the consequences if two enemy players had more reliable weapons. Allowing people with good aim to coordinate better, and effectively trap people. Now this can obviously be countered by other player with good aim knocking them out of their scope. But the way I see it, increasing the accuracy of the BR would only make Halo better.

Btw, I am not saying it should be as dead on as Halo 2, but the spread should be reduced at least in half.

  • 06.11.2009 8:34 PM PDT
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Also very true. I didnt think of it it like that but there is sense to what your saying. Very good point my man.

  • 06.12.2009 3:37 AM PDT

My BR works...

  • 06.12.2009 9:38 AM PDT