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Subject: The Only BR Thread

Yo Bungie you should fix the BR. So when you shoot the enemy it actually kills them.

Just a suggestion.

  • 06.20.2009 12:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hollicrombie892
All you bnet forum kids are idiots loolololololololololololololololololololololololol obviuosly other people notice the Br spread not just programers idiot why would ne one care if nonne could tell the Br spread is off.
Posted by: dofav
that's a good idea.
i think everything's fine with br's. who cares about a spread that nobody but progamers recognize?
learn to play with the new br everthing will be fine.


Coming from the guy who can't spell "obviously" or "any"? Or how about no one?

  • 06.20.2009 12:18 AM PDT
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i agree the BR is amazing but i use the sniper more.

  • 06.20.2009 3:49 AM PDT

I love Halo 3, it's my favorite game. My gamertag is xHN7x so send me a friend request! We'll play some Team Doubles together :D \
By the way I need Recon !

The BR can simply get annoying at times, like you mentioned the random tendencies of the BR's burst. I like the BR, it's my favorite weapon, I use it the most.

  • 06.20.2009 6:09 AM PDT

It has to be perfect I my self has had 75 ranked deaths

  • 06.20.2009 7:14 AM PDT

A soldier should never be honored for something that was expected

Considering theres more than 4030 posts on this topic,is there any point in making a post here?who would go all the back here,really its a far ways away to look at a comment:P

well,just in case,its funny the BR came in halo 3.
the AR was in halo CE,deleted in halo 2,yet replaced with the BR.
Then halo 3 comes,and BOTH the AR and BR are in it!
Thats coolXD

  • 06.20.2009 4:19 PM PDT
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Hate it. Never liked using it. Never liked getting killed by people using it. Sorry Bungie, I choose the Carbine. Everytime.

  • 06.20.2009 6:23 PM PDT

I wish it had less spread in campaign, cause that inaccurate BS can get annoying.

  • 06.20.2009 6:34 PM PDT

I like the BR but I complain because I can't lead my shots with it
But I still get good kills with it.

  • 06.20.2009 6:52 PM PDT
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Your absolutely right the br is fine the way it is. The real problem has to do with the ar. I understand that bungie reintroduced the ar back into halo because it provides a better balance, but i for one believe that the ar is overkill. The weapon is simply to powerful for what an ar is really designed to do. A fully automatic weapon is meant to cause a lot of damage at close to medium range at best, but time and time again the i have found that the ar simply does way to much damage when it is being fired at long range. Plus the weapon is way to inconsistent. I know a lot of the inconsistencies can be attributed to xbl but even on LAN the ar is random. Sometimes that weapon will take away half of a persons shields from like four bullets and at other times it takes almost half a clip to deal the same amount of damage. Now i know that a lot of people love the ar and i'm not saying that i hate the idea of an ar i just think that the ar that bungie produced is flawed in many ways.

  • 06.20.2009 7:02 PM PDT

Sorry about my name, I jokingly made this account not thinking I wouldn't need it. Oh well. I guess I can't undo some things, but whatever.

In a 1v1 br fight i win almost every time... I think it is based of the spread at ranges not luck or randomness. I just move around enough and position my shots correctly.

  • 06.20.2009 10:00 PM PDT
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If you ask me the BR is very easily in the top 5 of best weapons. Mostly becouse it is good for both Med. range and closer ranges. The reason being that if you aim for the head at both ranges then it kills the enemy much faster then just spraying at them with an AR. THe aim at head has won me about 9/10 BR vs AR battles. the reason me losing that 1/10 face offs. Being that I am pretty bad at bieng consistant with the aiming at the head, and still moving away from the target so it is a less likely chane for their bullets to hit me. Basicly saying don't diss the BR it may some day owbn you in a BR AR face off!

  • 06.20.2009 11:09 PM PDT

All of my sins, laid bare.

I all honesty, I think the only downside to the br is that it really has no equal counterpart. Sure, the carbine COULD be considered a counterpart for the br. But i doubt it, mainly because you can't use the carbine as a starting weapon, and it only makes an appearance on several of the halo 3 maps. And while it is single shot (the only gun on halo 3 to do this with a significant loadout) it does have a rate of fire cap, taking it away from the range of "pure skill" that something of that magnitude brings. Instead of br Vs carbine battles, there are br vs ar. two guns that have almost nothing in common but their starting weapon status.
Hate to digress, but that is the only thing I have to say on account of the br, and this is the only place /i could say it.

  • 06.20.2009 11:12 PM PDT

personally...the BR is my favorite weapon. :)
For learning to really use it around Commander or so im pretty happy with almost 9k kills with it. ^.^

  • 06.21.2009 12:04 AM PDT
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br is all about luck and who gets the better bullet spread

  • 06.21.2009 1:04 AM PDT
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i love going to COD4 after playing halo 3 BS

in COD4 if you have an M16 and your reticule(red dot w/e) is on the guy and you shoot....you hit him *gasp*

in halo you can have your BR reticule on a guy and sometimes it just does no damage....and not even at extreme ranges....even then if you lead your shots properly it should be a 4 shot kill



but no the bullets spread so randomly that even perfect aim doesnt guarnatee a hit


dumb

  • 06.21.2009 3:28 AM PDT

Wootness.

I wish the BR was a rocket launcher instead...


>_>

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  • 06.21.2009 11:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: CnTBToUcHeD004
Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


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Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.



Good Post. Smart ideas. Also. Runny Turd!!!


You typed a lot of words in this post.

  • 06.21.2009 12:14 PM PDT

I ♥ Bungie!

i think it sucks.

  • 06.21.2009 2:06 PM PDT

I completely understand what you mean. To tell you the truth, I had recently have played Halo 2 S.W.A.T. and had amazingly easy kills (Sorry Bungie if I had offended you). But when Halo 3 came out it was unbelievable! I had so much fun, and there were several differences, and I do mean SEVERAL. The BR was fair and more of a difficulty in Team S.W.A.T. Thanks!

From Your Biggest Fan Bungie,
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[Edited on 06.21.2009 3:31 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2009 3:29 PM PDT
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I enjoy the BR it is my fav. weapon.

  • 06.21.2009 6:03 PM PDT
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I took this from someone else post, this is not me, but it helped me understand why the battle rifle is the weapon that is used the most... I know this had nothing to do with MLG, but this came from MLG and it will explain why they use it.

From MLG:

We use the Battle Rifle as the primary starting weapon because it allows you to defend yourself from your spawn in virtually any situation. When starting with a weapon such as an Assault Rifle, you are extremely vulnerable from anyone attacking you from mid-to-long range. With the Battle Rifle, you can deal damage across the map in long-range situations and also in close-range situations with a melee-plus-head-shot. It also requires teams to focus on team shooting, whereby two players located in different areas of the map focus fire on an individual to kill them quickly. Teams need to create strategies to place each player in a position in which they can help each other, and having a Battle Rifle as the starting weapon emphasizes this essential aspect of competitive play. Lastly, the Battle Rifle requires more aiming skill because you must pull the trigger as opposed to the spray-and-charge nature of the Assault Rifle.

I really hope that helps Halo players understand the reasoning behind the BRs in MLG. I've known why since Feb 2005, but a lot of people don't go to that website to research articles...this one is really good.

  • 06.21.2009 6:42 PM PDT

"Through the fog the army moves on. Pushing through borders. Knocking over obstacles. Killing all enemies. Victory is secured, brothers, march on until the flag rises over the landscape."
The Holy Council

the br55 is the best uned weapon that isnt to easy to use
N00bkilla73

  • 06.21.2009 9:51 PM PDT

"Through the fog the army moves on. Pushing through borders. Knocking over obstacles. Killing all enemies. Victory is secured, brothers, march on until the flag rises over the landscape."
The Holy Council

br is great

[Edited on 07.03.2009 11:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2009 11:36 PM PDT