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Subject: The Only BR Thread

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

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There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: MadroKurgan
Childish crap? That is rich, coming from someone who has to resort to personal attacks to back up his point. Grow up.


That's pretty ironic coming from you. You are pretty much basing your counter-argument of me based on the fact that you think I don't use the BR. You know why the AR is so high on my Ranked TOD? It's because I hit a 45 in LoneWolves and TeamSlayer on my Berserker account within a month of H3 coming out. That was before BR-starts were even weighted more than 15%. I still think it's funny that you're trying to "undermine" my opinions because you don't think I've used the BR enough.

And why should any of us believe what you say about your stats, when you have no proof of it? The only quantifiable stats you have, is that you love the Assault rifle, and barely use the BR. And i have 10 other account, in where my grand total of the BR is 40,000 kills... i.e., leave the inflated, BS, non verifiable numbers alone. Plus your main, original account tells a lot more about how you play then second accounts.

I gave you most of my accounts. Look up the stats and add them up if you don't believe me. Do you really want me to have the moderators come in here and tell you that they are in fact my Gamertags? Do you want me to log into B.net as them and send you a PM? I doubt it. Because you got proven wrong and now you're trying to save face. Look, kid, I'm sorry that I have more than 6,000 BR kills than you. My main account shows that I have 70 more AR kills than BR. Those games also all happen within a month of H3's release when BR starts weren't in the game.

How on earth does making an accurate rifle random equal balance? Having other "spray and pray" weapons random is not the same thing, because they are not accurate, and were never meant to be. The BR is supposed to be an accurate weapon, and when two experienced people are having a BR dual, and neither miss a shot, but one dies due to a few random bullets not hitting their target, how is this balanced? I'll never understand FUBAR logic from people like you.

Having other weapons have bullet spread is the same thing. They all have bullet spread in order to balance those weapons. You just don't like the fact that they balanced your favorite weapon this time around. The Battle Rifle in H3 is an accurate weapon. Is it a 100% accurate weapon? No. Was it suppose to be? No. If you want a 100% accurate weapon look to the sniper rifle. The BR in H3 doesn't afford you the option of standing completely far away and shooting at your opponent. If you want a 4-shot kill with the BR you'll have to get closer to who you're fighting. If you don't care how many shots it takes, just stay away like you used to in H2. I'll never understand the logic of people who want other weapons to have "reality based balancing" aspects added to them but refuse to accept it when it's put on a specific weapon. You don't like the BR spread but you think the AR spread or Shotgun spread is fine? That's FUBAR.

And the BR bullet dropping is independent of connection. Why? Because it happens on LAN. So try and explain that away.

If it happens in split-screen that's one thing. Having it happen on LAN is still relying upon a connection and often times a router/switch/access point. Again, bullet dropping/registration IS NOT specific to the BR. It happens to all weapons so I'm still confused why this is being discussed.

Before you feel the need to grace us with your ignorant advice, try to stick to the facts, and perhaps not feeling the need to attack me personally.

~M.K. lol!


You first, kid. You first. You tried to attack me personally by trying to say I don't know what I'm talking about because of how many BR kills I have on 1 account. I provided you with some of my other accounts. If you really still don't believe me that those are mine, I'll have some of the moderators who play with me verify it. If you still don't believe them. I'll log in all of those accounts on B.net and send you a PM message from them.

All in all, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if I have 1,600 BR kills or 16,000 BR kills. Just like the fact that I have 6,000 more BR kills than you do doesn't make my argument correct. The fact that you can't say that the BR shouldn't have a bullet spread while still wanting the AR and Shotgun to have spread is what makes my argument correct.

The BR isn't solely a "competitive" weapon. It is used in the entire game. Trying to make an argument based upon how the weapon passes or fails in a "competitive" environment is a terrible argument. One that you've tried to make.

~B.B.

  • 07.05.2008 9:37 PM PDT

I never noticed the change of the BR. So im not complaining:)

  • 07.05.2008 9:48 PM PDT

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Yes, it is somewhat annoying that all of our shots aren't head on like they used to be in H2, but, I got used to that, and I really don't notice a difference very often. It makes using the BR more of a challenge, because you can't do a perfect 4 shot every time now.

If anything, people should be talking about the real problems in H3, which would be melee and ducking. The BR's fine.

  • 07.05.2008 9:58 PM PDT
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Halo CE > Halo 3 > Halo 2

Fix the Halo 3 BR spread, plz.

First, hit detection should be fixed, so we can see what problems lie within the BR spread and which just lie with crappy hit detection.

Also, the AR has a spread, sure, but it works in it's respective range properly. Red reticle it works fine, minus some pulsing which needs to be done because it's automatic. With pulsing, it is arguably more accurate than the BR. This is the problem people are saying. The BR is already pulsed and has pretty big spread. It's just preposterous that a gun that is headshot required and should take skill to use sometimes robs people from kills. Obviously, some people overstate the problems with it, but at the end of the BR's range, it isn't very effective.

Also, of course the shotgun has spread. That's how it works. Without the spread, it would not work within it's range. The spread isn't noticeable until you are out of it's range, like how the BR should be.

In Halo CE and Halo 2, there have been very accurate, headshot based guns that work fantastically as starting guns. This to me is the basis of Halo. The BR just doesn't live up to the gameplay many expect from Halo, especially those who have been fans since Halo CE.

BTW, making the BR not hitscan is a great idea, as the Halo CE pistol had virtually no spread and was not hit scan and it was the hardest gun in the game to use, IMO. People didn't three shot every time. This kind of gun is what people expect in Halo 3 and have expected since Halo CE since it worked so well and was so fun to use in the first game. Unfortunately, Halo 3 doesn't do this very well.

The point is, both sides blow their concerns out of proportion, but have valid points. I just prefer Halo-style gameplay, not whatever they're giving up now.

The main problems with Halo 3 are spawning doesn't work for BR starts, Melee system is like the insta-kill button and takes no skill to use and hit detection. BR spread is a secondary fix that is prefered, but not necessarily required.

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  • 07.05.2008 10:17 PM PDT

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Did anyone read my post?
The BR is actually pretty accurate, even with the spread. at 9 or less W.U. all of the bullets of the 3 shot spread will hit your opponent's head, as long as the network conditions are reasonable and it is being used properly. if you miss your shots at 9 W.U. or less, please don't blame the gun. Either your network sucks, and is resulting in an unreasonable amount of lag, or you just aren't using the gun how it's supposed to be used. at about 6 W.U., which is about the distance most BR battles are held in my opinion, the MOST your third bullet could be off is less than 5 inches, and Master Chief's head is 1 square foot. therefore, even if the spread is the absolute worst it can be, all of the bullets will connect with the head, UNDER REASONABLE NETWORK CONDITIONS AND WHILE BEING USED PROPERLY.

  • 07.05.2008 10:32 PM PDT

Would you kindly ?

To me the BR feels a little loose when using, like first off i dont like it when it takes 3 seconds to reload, and in Halo 2 it felt tight and it felt balance, but now it just feels weird

  • 07.05.2008 10:58 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

In my opinion, most of the BR battles are fought around the distance between the intended 4-shot range and the intended 5-shot range. This is THE reason why many are frustrated with the current state of the BR. In this range it fluctuates between a 4-shot and 5-shot randomly, which is fact. The same thing goes for the range where it fluctuates between a 5-shot and a 6-shot, and so on. This is not an opinion, but a fact. If you aren't aware of this, then either you are blaming it on lag, which isn't the case, you are blaming your aim, which sometimes may be the case, or you are just not that observant. The reason for this transition between ranges is because of the spread, which was explained by Bungie in the weekly update.

Hopefully this clears it up for those who don't understand why many people are unhappy with the Halo 3's BR.

  • 07.05.2008 11:17 PM PDT

IB. The bane of my existence.

Enough about BRs. Where are all my Carbines?

  • 07.05.2008 11:19 PM PDT
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I still don't see why randomness should be removed from "competitive" Halo. Like I said before, every competition I can think of has a random element. Maybe a very small random element, but it's there.

It doesn't matter if the gun is broken or not, people should be able to deal with a little randomness and still win if they're that good.

Come to think of it, the BR's spread is a very small random element-- imagine that!


[Edited on 07.06.2008 1:54 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2008 1:50 AM PDT

1.Arkham Asylum, 2.Mass Effect, 3.Halo CE, 4.Mass Effect 2, 5.Halo 2, 6.Splinter Cell Double Agent, 7.Gears of War 2, 8.Medievil, 9.Oblivion, 10.Crash Team Racing

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Posted by: Jammyd0dger93
rofl 1 shot to 3 burst????? WTF much


Dude I'm serious look up Halo 2 E3 Demo on youtube. Its a single shot.


Carbine.


Don't Believe Me
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ihjgijK8wQs

And yes this WAS Halo 2 not some modded version of Halo 1


I believe, I have seen it before.

3 Reasons why I think BR isn't single shot.
-Carbine, they both need to be unique.
-The single shot BR was too much like CE pistol (Ovepower)
-Somehow that singleshot BR seems so weak

  • 07.06.2008 2:03 AM PDT

Posted by: Ttone5722
I still don't see why randomness should be removed from "competitive" Halo. Like I said before, every competition I can think of has a random element. Maybe a very small random element, but it's there.

It doesn't matter if the gun is broken or not, people should be able to deal with a little randomness and still win if they're that good.

Come to think of it, the BR's spread is a very small random element-- imagine that!


Do I have to go through this with you again?

Injuries in sport are not randomly generated. If randomness in sport = randomness in BR spread, players would be 50 yards away from the contest and suddenly break a leg. The randomness in sport that you believe ='s randomness in BR spread is always caused by an event. Neither is foreseeable, correct, but:

Randomness in BR = Unforeseeable, generated randomly
Randomness in Sport = Unforeseeable, due to an event/property (eg. Collision, Soft Tissue Injury)

If the BR randomness was replaced with Sport-like randomness, then properties would determine the severity of the spread, eg. (Speed, Trajectory)

If the randomness in Sport was replaced with the Br randomness, players could suddenly gain broken bones / muscle tears as they wait around for the kick-off, seemingly out of the blue.
I hope that explains it, I didn't make perfect sense but hopefully you get the idea.

[Edited on 07.06.2008 2:09 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2008 2:05 AM PDT

I'm bringin' Spartan back.

Posted by: Nokterne
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The BR is fine if you dont like it dont use it its as simple as that.
And replace it with what? The Carbine? Oh yeah, you can't start with it, nice one Bungie.


Carbine was great in Beta before babies started whining about their precious BR wasn't powerful enough. Carbine was the closest thing we had to the Halo 1 pistol, and you people were so horny about the stupid BR.

  • 07.06.2008 2:52 AM PDT

When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

BUNGIE, MAKE HALO 1 XBOX LIVE COMPATIBLE pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ee,
its an amazing game but no-one can be arsed to go to lans every week jesus.

just make halo 1 live compatibleand everyone will be happy

HALO 3 IS A NOOOOBLETS GAME

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • 07.06.2008 3:42 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Before you feel the need to grace us with your ignorant advice, try to stick to the facts, and perhaps not feeling the need to attack me personally.

~M.K. lol!


You first, kid. You first. You tried to attack me personally by trying to say I don't know what I'm talking about because of how many BR kills I have on 1 account. I provided you with some of my other accounts. If you really still don't believe me that those are mine, I'll have some of the moderators who play with me verify it. If you still don't believe them. I'll log in all of those accounts on B.net and send you a PM message from them.

All in all, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if I have 1,600 BR kills or 16,000 BR kills. Just like the fact that I have 6,000 more BR kills than you do doesn't make my argument correct. The fact that you can't say that the BR shouldn't have a bullet spread while still wanting the AR and Shotgun to have spread is what makes my argument correct.

The BR isn't solely a "competitive" weapon. It is used in the entire game. Trying to make an argument based upon how the weapon passes or fails in a "competitive" environment is a terrible argument. One that you've tried to make.

~B.B.


I never attacked you personally, by resorting to calling you childish names... you did. Admit it, and stop trying to justify yourself for doing such. All it does is discredit you.


And it is quite evident that we will never agree on the subject. I believe that the outcome of a match should be determined by skill, and not by the randomness of a weapon. You do not. End of story.

[Edited on 07.06.2008 4:26 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2008 4:22 AM PDT
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i looked at the explanation all it did is complicate the simple fact that in halo 3 the rifle from the year 2552 has trouble staying accurate at 50 feet, yea that doesnt mean that is good, seriously FIX THE BR or ALLOW CARBINE STARTS


[Edited on 07.06.2008 4:33 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2008 4:33 AM PDT

When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

i dont see why bungie dosent just speed up the bullets its not going to be game changing the casual people wont even notice but it will make the more competitive community happy. IMO bungie are just lazy they may aswell stop the forums becuase they dont listen to us anyway.

halo 3 br = EPIC FAILURE

  • 07.06.2008 6:40 AM PDT

"Death is an inconvenience now.... We are All Dead Men Walking."
"The Sniper Rifle is a Support weapon, your supposed to sneak around with it. Not stand in the open"
"Armor Lock is boss if you know how to use it!"
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Posted by: Jammyd0dger93
rofl 1 shot to 3 burst????? WTF much


Dude I'm serious look up Halo 2 E3 Demo on youtube. Its a single shot.


Carbine.


Don't Believe Me
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ihjgijK8wQs

And yes this WAS Halo 2 not some modded version of Halo 1


I believe, I have seen it before.

3 Reasons why I think BR isn't single shot.
-Carbine, they both need to be unique.
-The single shot BR was too much like CE pistol (Ovepower)
-Somehow that singleshot BR seems so weak

I agree with you on the first 2 reasons, but not the third
We never saw it used against elites or brutes(Directly)

  • 07.06.2008 6:46 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Having a single shot BR, with the fire rate and accuracy of the Halo 1 pistol, with a 4 shot kill (in all honesty, a 3 shot kill would be ideal), would be the ideal weapon for skill orientated playing.

Those who never played Halo 1 MP competitively, need to keep a sock in it, concerning the Halo 1 pistol, as their opinion is irrelevant.

[Edited on 07.06.2008 7:06 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2008 7:05 AM PDT

(05:43:26 AM) Zach Buckley: uk host is tolerable sometimes but australian host.... they might as well standby
(05:44:22 AM) ENORP: how about them mexican hostz
(05:44:42 AM) Zach Buckley: kinda hard to have a good internet connection when you pay for it by selling oranges

People don't like the BR because they're bad with it and can't use it. And then when they run in with an AR or something, they get BR'd down to size OVER and OVER and OVER again.

  • 07.06.2008 7:43 AM PDT

"Death is an inconvenience now.... We are All Dead Men Walking."
"The Sniper Rifle is a Support weapon, your supposed to sneak around with it. Not stand in the open"
"Armor Lock is boss if you know how to use it!"
"I like the idea of a professional troll, though, it makes me think of a hideous creature under a bridge handing out business cards." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw

Posted by: MadroKurgan
Having a single shot BR, with the fire rate and accuracy of the Halo 1 pistol, with a 4 shot kill (in all honesty, a 3 shot kill would be ideal), would be the ideal weapon for skill orientated playing.


So Would it be Good or Bad if it was a Single Shot


[Edited on 07.06.2008 8:14 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2008 8:12 AM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

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Posted by: kalle90
3 Reasons why I think BR isn't single shot.
-Carbine, they both need to be unique.
-The single shot BR was too much like CE pistol (Ovepower)
-Somehow that singleshot BR seems so weak

I agree with you on the first 2 reasons, but not the third
We never saw it used against elites or brutes(Directly)


I think Bungie went away from the single shot to a 3 bullet burst was that with a single shot they were unable to make the BR have the range that they wanted and still make it effective enough to ping snipers. So they made the bullets weaker and gave us an accurate 1st bullet, while taking away the ability to kill someone fairly quick from long range. Right now, I would much rather have a BR than an Carbine against a sniper, because the Carbine's randomly shot single bullet just doesn't go where you aim at long range making it harder to hit at long range. Snipers would just rule if Bungie had made a BR that shot similar to the Carbine. However, if it didn't shoot so randomly it wouldn't be much of a problem. Unfortunately, people don't seem to like being killed from longer ranges, and I guess Blood Gulch on Halo:CE wasn't very fun either then.

  • 07.06.2008 9:02 AM PDT

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I love the BR

  • 07.06.2008 9:10 AM PDT
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MAke the Br hitscan,

Everybody will be happy

  • 07.06.2008 2:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ttone5722
I still don't see why randomness should be removed from "competitive" Halo. Like I said before, every competition I can think of has a random element. Maybe a very small random element, but it's there.

It doesn't matter if the gun is broken or not, people should be able to deal with a little randomness and still win if they're that good.

Come to think of it, the BR's spread is a very small random element-- imagine that!


Do I have to go through this with you again?

Injuries in sport are not randomly generated. If randomness in sport = randomness in BR spread, players would be 50 yards away from the contest and suddenly break a leg. The randomness in sport that you believe ='s randomness in BR spread is always caused by an event. Neither is foreseeable, correct, but:

Randomness in BR = Unforeseeable, generated randomly
Randomness in Sport = Unforeseeable, due to an event/property (eg. Collision, Soft Tissue Injury)

If the BR randomness was replaced with Sport-like randomness, then properties would determine the severity of the spread, eg. (Speed, Trajectory)

If the randomness in Sport was replaced with the Br randomness, players could suddenly gain broken bones / muscle tears as they wait around for the kick-off, seemingly out of the blue.
I hope that explains it, I didn't make perfect sense but hopefully you get the idea.


I get what you're saying, I just don't agree. I'm not equating injuries in sport to the BR spread, merely saying that randomness is a part of most, if not all, competitions. If you're trying to say that sports have no randomness at all, then, IMO, you're sadly mistaken.

  • 07.06.2008 3:17 PM PDT
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When people complain about the Battle Rifle they complain it sucks and gets them killed. Have they ever considered their skill level at Halo 3? Get better at Halo 3.

  • 07.06.2008 3:53 PM PDT