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Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

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Posted by: Atomic Wildfire
BRs are the foundation of halo 3 and there awesome

but ARs are the foundation of halo.

  • 09.29.2009 10:32 PM PDT
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i would rather start off with a ar or a smg rather then a br. this game really isnt as fun as it used to be now that is seems theyre are basing everything off mlg.

  • 09.30.2009 6:41 AM PDT

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BR ftw, AR ftl. Nuff'said.

  • 09.30.2009 12:27 PM PDT

Halo CE=Chess
Halo 2=Backgammon
Halo 3=Checkers
Halo Reach=Rock-Paper-Scissors

AR's aren't fun and promote dumb gameplay for the size of maps in halo 3. It's all kill trading madness.

Just make it AR/BR starts, even in Team BR's people still use they're AR.

Bungie we know you are trying to set apart Halo 3 with it's equipment, Ar's, beatdowns, etc., but honestly there is such a great amount of people who want it that, really, it's just common sense not to greif your customers.

  • 09.30.2009 12:28 PM PDT

I still don't understand why Team BRs has AR secondary :|

  • 09.30.2009 12:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: TJJ Fephi
I still don't understand why Team BRs has AR secondary :|

I'll be honest and say the second I get into a "Team BR" map I instantly trade for my MA5C. I feel like just another Battle Rifle newb. I have noticed that the BR takes no skill at all and every time I use it, it is an instant kill.

I feel so idiotic and lame using it.

But that's just me...

  • 09.30.2009 3:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fluffball_Gato]
I'll be honest and say the second I get into a "Team BR" map I instantly trade for my MA5C. I feel like just another Battle Rifle newb. I have noticed that the BR takes no skill at all and every time I use it, it is an instant kill.

I feel so idiotic and lame using it.

But that's just me...


Your argument is idiotic and lame. What you're essentially saying is that you're trying to put yourself on a pedestal for not using a weapon that everybody has access to and that utilizing this resource makes you a less skilled player. Might you say the same thing for snipers, which literally can be, instant kills?

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  • 09.30.2009 3:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: BLZL
Your argument is idiotic and lame. What you're essentially saying is that you're trying to put yourself on a pedestal for not using a weapon that everybody has access to and that utilizing this resource makes you a less skilled player. Might you say the same thing for snipers, which literally can be, instant kills?

I don't like where this conversation is headed, but-

I do, actually. Maybe I'm like the Sangheili and am overly obsessed with honor. Sorry, but that is my emotion on the subject. It is the same with BR's, Snipers, Rocket Launchers, Scorpians, and especially uber-newbish SPARTAN LASERS.
Don't convict me for how I feel, please.

  • 09.30.2009 7:19 PM PDT
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me to.

[Edited on 09.30.2009 8:15 PM PDT]

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It would be better to start of with an smg

  • 09.30.2009 8:15 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

My opinion on the BR vs. the AR, is that it depends on what you're really aiming for accuracy wise, efficiency wise, and speed. If you want good accuracy, a decent rate of fire, and easy headshots,and be able to kill at mid-range efficiently, I'd go with the BR. If you want to get up close and personal, a high rate of fire, medium accuracy, and don't really care where you hit somebody, go with the AR. But, like I said, it just depends on what type of gamer you are.

  • 09.30.2009 9:01 PM PDT

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Fairly simple argument...

If you want a close-mid range weapon, use the Assault Rifle...
If you want a mid-long range weapon, use the Battle Rifle...
If you want a practically-instant, quick-kill weapon, use the Sniper Rifle...
If you dont think that the Sniper Rifle is a quick-kill weapon, disable your account and get of these forums.

Dankies.

  • 10.01.2009 10:43 AM PDT

Who's complaining about the design of the BR?

Lol AR was added to the title.

  • 10.01.2009 2:39 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread
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The BR and AR are close but the BR takes it.You can use a br long range.

  • 10.01.2009 4:25 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

Posted by: mooshmoossh
I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.



They should give the Assault rifle 60 bullets a clip like they did in Halo 1.

  • 10.01.2009 7:05 PM PDT

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain

I never quite understood the obsession with the Battle Rifle or the Assault Rifle.

  • 10.01.2009 7:34 PM PDT

Yeah, I like the BR too, I disagree with the way that people think the BR is terrible because guys just look at this.
The BR is a weapon used up to medium/long range. The AR is mainly used for close range/medium range. But let's get to the point, the BR is just a weapon that bungie made for us to use so that we may kill people more easily without having to result to the sniper all the damn time if you want to kill someone at long range. Anyway, all I'm here to say is that the BR is fine, bungie, keep it seriously, I mean theres really no point trying to change it because its just going to PISS OFF people more now. It takes skill to use the BR now. In halo 2, if you had a -blam!- BR skill, you still could get kills with the damn thing. But in halo 3, everything has changed. So get with the new thing and DEAL with it. If you don't like using the BR, then don't use it. I mean damn,use something else like the carbine or something. It's just the same as the BR except that the fact that it is single-shot and you have to pull the trigger as fast as you can so you can shoot it fast to kill people faster. Anyway, use the AR if you want to, if you don't l.ike using the BR, then don't use it, don't come to the forums complaining about the gun. Seriously, you're that mad at the gun so you come to Bungie.net to post on the forums that you hate a gun that bungie designed. God, as I said, just go with the flow and deal with it, try practicing your BR skills with someone. Maybe they can train you or something. If they can't, then dude you're -blam!-.

  • 10.01.2009 7:38 PM PDT

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i agree it ruined it so please don't change anything in the game its perfect the way it is.

  • 10.02.2009 1:09 AM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread
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can anyone give me a few tips for the br on long range? That would be great!

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  • 10.02.2009 11:01 AM PDT

A.R

  • 10.02.2009 12:10 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: PaTrIcK StAr v2
can anyone give me a few tips for the br on long range? That would be great!
1) Be Host.
2) Lead Target.
3) Pray.
(May require one Reload depending on how lucky you are)

  • 10.02.2009 1:33 PM PDT

My last thread: Why Reach Sucks

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This is a compilation of revised ideas and posts I've made over the past 48 hours pertaining to AR usage. They have turned a few heads and gained recognition from those who've read them, so I recommend if you've come this far you continue along your path to enlightenment.


Common Idea:Posted by: rollingspartan
Of course, but the the point is to learn and develop a style that your most comfortable with. Alot of guys play the same way, and alot play a different way, both ways are efficient.

There's a difference between what's best for your skill sets and what's the best way period. There's obviously a difference between the way I play golf and how Tiger Woods plays golf. He goes for shots he can make, and I go for shots I can make. His way is obviously better in the end though, because his scores are lower and are on harder courses. That means he's playing the game on a higher efficiency level than I am, but If I did everything Mr. Woods does then I would be an exceptional golfer too, which goes for anything.

If everyone here had Snipedown's aim, practiced like Snipedown practices, had the timing he does, call outs, everything, they would be exceptional halo players too. But just like math you can't do Calculus III without knowing arithmetic, algebra, geometry, algebra 2, trigonometry, pre-calc, calculus I, and calculus II. Everything builds on a foundation, Halo, Golf, Math, it's all the same.

So all you generals out there mocking AR users, you're like a calculus student making fun of an algebra student for not knowing calculus.

After reading this far it's implied that there are stages to halo skill. Each level acts as a foundation and you must complete it before moving on. When you reach a certain level you realize Halo 3 is a team oriented game. Inversely the AR is not a team oriented weapon, so it's obvious how it doesn't fit at the highest efficiency levels.

The AR is a great tool for freelancing in match making before you really learn what team work is. It's why lower tier players often have ARs as their TOD. The AR is one of the best overall weapons in the game and its lack of a skill gap makes it forgiving, so it's hard to deny it as a valid weapon with a basic understanding of Halo.

For the lower tier players to ascend to BR-hood they need to learn how to BR properly, use grenades properly, positioning, coordination, timing, and when to push for a melee. Without any of these fundamentals they're not going to be as effective with a BR and will have a hard time transitioning to using a weapon they have so many holes with. So it's easy to see why so many people fall back to their AR.

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Normally, I can agree or see what your saying [Zach] but here I think you couldn't be more wrong. Even I still use the AR. The AR was and still is heavily used at the higher levels.

There are 2 things to note here:

First off the highest levels of Halo are played with teams who have practiced tactics and chemistry, that's the Calculus 3 of Halo so to speak.

Secondly I'm not saying I never use the AR, it's an over powered weapon for its niche. It comes in great use if I'm alone and am out of grenades, but that power is still negated by the weapon's lack of overall versatility relative to the BR. It doesn't finish kills as well and doesn't have the team shooting capabilities.

Basically if you have a great team versus a team of AR believers, the AR team will not have near the coordination (from lack of understanding) and thus will be picked off constantly by lack of numbers. Numbers being the amount of people focusing fire.

Here's an example, two teams are on High Ground. In this situation there's a BR user camo side of the turret bridge. There is also another BR user on laser spawn aiding his team mate on bridge. An AR user has come up from bunker through laser 2 and is now laser side of the bridge. The AR user is more one tracked and sees the kill opposite of him camo side of the bridge. His only options at this point are camp and wait for backup to come (probably not going to be soon enough) or try to take out the guy in front of him before he's attacked himself. So he makes basically his only decision, push to trade kills.

The BR user on bridge has 2 options now, jump up and challenge the charging AR user on top of the bridge in an epic duel, or play ring around the rosie while his team mate shoots at the enemy. In either situation the BR user will win or atleast trade kills because his team mate will be giving cover fire. If both BR players hit their shots it takes the time equivalent of 2 shots to take down this AR user. Or if the BR user keeps his distance there's almost no chance for the AR user.

See how different the situation is with BRs and team work? You give yourself more options, more room to be creative. Versatility is much more than just how a player uses grenades, melee, and their weapon together. It's the ability for the team to be versatile, to adapt and flow depending on the situation at hand. It's why games should be BR starts instead of AR starts because it allows for greater player control of the game's outcome.

Posted by: Unite
Awesome post dude, seriously. I just have one thing to ask in relation. Should it really take that long to realize that a "tactic" is not working? I'm going to go with the whole AR thing here. A player that tries to use the AR in all situations must realize fairly quickly that it is not working very well.

It's the same reason why the best players are in MLG and not unknown match making players, competition. Just like anything else you're only going to be as good as your competition because of efficiency levels. If you are making a mistake, you hesitate for instance, and the pace of play isn't pressing your mistake wont be punished. If you take that same mistake and do it against a top tier team they will capitalize on it.

In terms of halo that means level 30's practice against level 30s because that's who the match making system says is an equal match. But if they are playing against people of their own level, people who make the same mistakes. How will their mistakes be apparent and how will they learn new tactics? The answer is lessons, facing second accounts, customs, socials, or being naturally intuitive.

Hopefully this helped you if you didn't understand why people love the BR or if you don't understand why many players don't.

  • 10.02.2009 5:36 PM PDT

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Wow, that's a long post...

  • 10.02.2009 7:12 PM PDT
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Yeah, the BR is a great weapon due to its power and accuracy. The AR COULD have been better, as the AR in Halo CE was great. Maybe if they changed the sound effects it could sound more powerful, to maybe the one from Halo CE?

  • 10.02.2009 7:43 PM PDT

when using the br is it better to shot body, body, body, head or just aim for headshots i keep getting out bR'd by mostly generals that play social, and id like to give them a taste of there own medicine....

  • 10.02.2009 8:51 PM PDT