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Posted by: Khr0m
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Ok. Why are AR users so stubborn and unwilling to improve. When this topic gets mentioned, straight away I hear;

"get used to the AR",
"go play MLG",
"get better with weapons other than the BR",
"I play for fun, the BR is to competitive",
"the AR is a good all-round weapon",
"AR are "newb-friendly",
and more.

"get used to the AR"

No. I got used to the AR within the week I started playing. After I was good enough to understand that the game is played better at range, I stopped using the AR and used the BR. There is a reason why good players don't use the AR, it's a trash weapon.

"go play MLG"

No, I don't want to be forced into a playlist because I don't want to start with an AR. I'm not even a huge fan of MLG. Just because people like the BR, doesn't mean they are a try-hard "MLG wannabe". This is just a lame insult people use, when they have no real argument to a BR vs AR topic.

"get better with weapons other than the BR"

The BR is the most versatile and effective weapon in the game. Combo'd with any other weapon, is perfect. This other weapon could be a shotgun, mauler, sniper, etc. Why would I need to be good with every weapon, when the BR+secondary, is all it takes to be good.

"I play for fun, the BR is to competitive"

Would you say this if MLG didn't exist? The idea of the BR being "competitive" is inspired by the fact that it is the starting weapon in MLG. It was not Bungies intention to put the BR in the game to create competitiveness. The reason MLG uses the BR, is because it is extremely versatile, effective and balanced. The BR is a perfect "counter" weapon. I don't enjoy AR starts, getting spawn trapped, with no way to fight back, because all I have is a short range AR. I would much rather start with a BR, so I could fight back. Just because the AR is easy to use, doesn't mean you need to. I think the above quote should be; " I play for fun, I'm to lazy to learn how to use the BR, the AR is easier, I'll stick with that". If you are good with the BR, BR>AR, in any situation.

"the AR is a good all-round weapon"

The AR is good at close range, when you take your opponent by surprise. If they know you are there, and they have a BR (and they are good), or any other effective weapon, you will be killed. The AR is also effective when combo'd with a melee. That is all. There is no other use for the AR. Why do people actually decide to run around the map, holding their AR. And furthermore, why the F*&% would you switch to your AR on spawn, in a Team BRs variant.

"ARs are newb-friendly"

Yes, newb friendly. Not noob friendly. I think after a short while, people realise that the AR is a good weapon to use while learning the basics of the game, but that is it. Why do I see major grade 3s running around with ARs, they aren't newbs. They are noobs, because they choose to continue using the AR. AR users are not willing to learn to use the BR, why? Because it is too hard?

Do you understand? I believe that the AR is meant as a "basic training" weapon. Not something to rely on after you have played abit. Any player should realise after a few games that the BR is superior. Why do people who use the AR religiously, not realise that it is ineffective, when they get owned by the BR so much. Sure the AR is better than the BR in certain situations. But not enough to use it ALL the time. As I said, there is a reason why people who always use the BR are better than those who use the AR.

Don't say to me, "oh you're a BR fanboy, go to MLG". I'm not a "fanboy", I'm smart. Why don't you AR users give the BR a go. It's ok, I assure you it will improve your game. Sure, riding around in mongooses or doing whatever "noob" stuff you do is fun. But being good at this game is also fun. IMO, it is alot more fun being good than riding mongooses all game, or generally getting raped while running around with an AR. Although, I have had some pretty epic moments with the mongoose. :)

  • 10.03.2009 12:27 AM PDT

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain

And yet I have heard a player say "Oh my god how did you kill me I had a br!"(point blank range with me wielding a shotgun)and "What the hell you killed me in one shot and my br did no damage!" (across Valhalla, I had a sniper rifle). So my point is no weapon is "trash" as the poster above mentioned. It just takes using the right weapons in the right situations at the right times. Not luck, not skill, just common sense.

  • 10.03.2009 12:43 AM PDT

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Arse with this whole debate - Get rid of grenades. There, that'd cause a shake-up. It'd mean your average MM game wouldn't seem like someone has enabled the "Catch" skull despite the fact a bunch of humans are playing.

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  • 10.03.2009 2:22 AM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

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Completely true there.

  • 10.03.2009 5:06 AM PDT

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  • 10.03.2009 10:26 AM PDT

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Ok. Why are AR users so stubborn and unwilling to improve. When this topic gets mentioned, straight away I hear;

"get used to the AR",
"go play MLG",
"get better with weapons other than the BR",
"I play for fun, the BR is to competitive",
"the AR is a good all-round weapon",
"AR are "newb-friendly",
and more.

"get used to the AR"

No. I got used to the AR within the week I started playing. After I was good enough to understand that the game is played better at range, I stopped using the AR and used the BR. There is a reason why good players don't use the AR, it's a trash weapon.

"go play MLG"

No, I don't want to be forced into a playlist because I don't want to start with an AR. I'm not even a huge fan of MLG. Just because people like the BR, doesn't mean they are a try-hard "MLG wannabe". This is just a lame insult people use, when they have no real argument to a BR vs AR topic.

"get better with weapons other than the BR"

The BR is the most versatile and effective weapon in the game. Combo'd with any other weapon, is perfect. This other weapon could be a shotgun, mauler, sniper, etc. Why would I need to be good with every weapon, when the BR+secondary, is all it takes to be good.

"I play for fun, the BR is to competitive"

Would you say this if MLG didn't exist? The idea of the BR being "competitive" is inspired by the fact that it is the starting weapon in MLG. It was not Bungies intention to put the BR in the game to create competitiveness. The reason MLG uses the BR, is because it is extremely versatile, effective and balanced. The BR is a perfect "counter" weapon. I don't enjoy AR starts, getting spawn trapped, with no way to fight back, because all I have is a short range AR. I would much rather start with a BR, so I could fight back. Just because the AR is easy to use, doesn't mean you need to. I think the above quote should be; " I play for fun, I'm to lazy to learn how to use the BR, the AR is easier, I'll stick with that". If you are good with the BR, BR>AR, in any situation.

"the AR is a good all-round weapon"

The AR is good at close range, when you take your opponent by surprise. If they know you are there, and they have a BR (and they are good), or any other effective weapon, you will be killed. The AR is also effective when combo'd with a melee. That is all. There is no other use for the AR. Why do people actually decide to run around the map, holding their AR. And furthermore, why the F*&% would you switch to your AR on spawn, in a Team BRs variant.

"ARs are newb-friendly"

Yes, newb friendly. Not noob friendly. I think after a short while, people realise that the AR is a good weapon to use while learning the basics of the game, but that is it. Why do I see major grade 3s running around with ARs, they aren't newbs. They are noobs, because they choose to continue using the AR. AR users are not willing to learn to use the BR, why? Because it is too hard?

Do you understand? I believe that the AR is meant as a "basic training" weapon. Not something to rely on after you have played abit. Any player should realise after a few games that the BR is superior. Why do people who use the AR religiously, not realise that it is ineffective, when they get owned by the BR so much. Sure the AR is better than the BR in certain situations. But not enough to use it ALL the time. As I said, there is a reason why people who always use the BR are better than those who use the AR.

Don't say to me, "oh you're a BR fanboy, go to MLG". I'm not a "fanboy", I'm smart. Why don't you AR users give the BR a go. It's ok, I assure you it will improve your game. Sure, riding around in mongooses or doing whatever "noob" stuff you do is fun. But being good at this game is also fun. IMO, it is alot more fun being good than riding mongooses all game, or generally getting raped while running around with an AR. Although, I have had some pretty epic moments with the mongoose. :)



I use the Ar and get 15 + kills a match so dont talk crap

  • 10.03.2009 10:29 AM PDT

BR has become a little overused IMO...

  • 10.03.2009 12:44 PM PDT

Posted by: Ultinum
Ok. Why are AR users so stubborn and unwilling to improve. When this topic gets mentioned, straight away I hear;

"get used to the AR",
"go play MLG",
"get better with weapons other than the BR",
"I play for fun, the BR is to competitive",
"the AR is a good all-round weapon",
"AR are "newb-friendly",
and more.

"get used to the AR"

No. I got used to the AR within the week I started playing. After I was good enough to understand that the game is played better at range, I stopped using the AR and used the BR. There is a reason why good players don't use the AR, it's a trash weapon.

"go play MLG"

No, I don't want to be forced into a playlist because I don't want to start with an AR. I'm not even a huge fan of MLG. Just because people like the BR, doesn't mean they are a try-hard "MLG wannabe". This is just a lame insult people use, when they have no real argument to a BR vs AR topic.

"get better with weapons other than the BR"

The BR is the most versatile and effective weapon in the game. Combo'd with any other weapon, is perfect. This other weapon could be a shotgun, mauler, sniper, etc. Why would I need to be good with every weapon, when the BR+secondary, is all it takes to be good.

"I play for fun, the BR is to competitive"

Would you say this if MLG didn't exist? The idea of the BR being "competitive" is inspired by the fact that it is the starting weapon in MLG. It was not Bungies intention to put the BR in the game to create competitiveness. The reason MLG uses the BR, is because it is extremely versatile, effective and balanced. The BR is a perfect "counter" weapon. I don't enjoy AR starts, getting spawn trapped, with no way to fight back, because all I have is a short range AR. I would much rather start with a BR, so I could fight back. Just because the AR is easy to use, doesn't mean you need to. I think the above quote should be; " I play for fun, I'm to lazy to learn how to use the BR, the AR is easier, I'll stick with that". If you are good with the BR, BR>AR, in any situation.

"the AR is a good all-round weapon"

The AR is good at close range, when you take your opponent by surprise. If they know you are there, and they have a BR (and they are good), or any other effective weapon, you will be killed. The AR is also effective when combo'd with a melee. That is all. There is no other use for the AR. Why do people actually decide to run around the map, holding their AR. And furthermore, why the F*&% would you switch to your AR on spawn, in a Team BRs variant.

"ARs are newb-friendly"

Yes, newb friendly. Not noob friendly. I think after a short while, people realise that the AR is a good weapon to use while learning the basics of the game, but that is it. Why do I see major grade 3s running around with ARs, they aren't newbs. They are noobs, because they choose to continue using the AR. AR users are not willing to learn to use the BR, why? Because it is too hard?

Do you understand? I believe that the AR is meant as a "basic training" weapon. Not something to rely on after you have played abit. Any player should realise after a few games that the BR is superior. Why do people who use the AR religiously, not realise that it is ineffective, when they get owned by the BR so much. Sure the AR is better than the BR in certain situations. But not enough to use it ALL the time. As I said, there is a reason why people who always use the BR are better than those who use the AR.

Don't say to me, "oh you're a BR fanboy, go to MLG". I'm not a "fanboy", I'm smart. Why don't you AR users give the BR a go. It's ok, I assure you it will improve your game. Sure, riding around in mongooses or doing whatever "noob" stuff you do is fun. But being good at this game is also fun. IMO, it is alot more fun being good than riding mongooses all game, or generally getting raped while running around with an AR. Although, I have had some pretty epic moments with the mongoose. :)



I use the Ar and get 15 + kills a match so dont talk crap

You also have a .92 ranked k/d.... Coincidence? No. I used to be like you, now it's taking FOREVER to get my ranked k/d back up and I look like a noob.

  • 10.03.2009 12:46 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Unite


Good post, and I agree. But, try not to make the BR out to be the only weapon needed to play and the only weapon you should use.

Every weapon has its use. It's just that the mid-ranged game is the most used range, so weapons like the BR, M6G, and Carbine are all more useful at more times. The AR is too limited to be used all the time, as is 3/4 of H3's weapons, since most are limited to close range.

Also, using weapons that are range capable gives you the ability to fight certain advantageous weapons. Using close-ranged weapons just don't give you that ability unless you are incredibly lucky.

  • 10.03.2009 12:50 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread
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I like the BR i just want to see a single fire mode.
see: carbine...

Anyways, the BR is the best, most well rounded weapon in Halo. Last night playing normal TS on Ghost Town was so frustrating! All nearby BRs are taken, and I encounter some guy who is well out of range of my AR. He has a BR and weakens me, I run and get finished. The BR is simply better than the AR by leaps and bounds. At close range, UNLESS you're very close range, the BR beats the AR. I think TS should have all BR starts and AR as a secondary weapon. Choose which one you want to satisfy all the debaters.


Still, the BR would be pretty cool w/ a single fire mode.

  • 10.03.2009 1:08 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

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Posted by: Zach The One
This is a compilation of revised ideas and posts I've made over the past 48 hours pertaining to AR usage. They have turned a few heads and gained recognition from those who've read them, so I recommend if you've come this far you continue along your path to enlightenment.


Common Idea:Posted by: rollingspartan
Of course, but the the point is to learn and develop a style that your most comfortable with. Alot of guys play the same way, and alot play a different way, both ways are efficient.

There's a difference between what's best for your skill sets and what's the best way period. There's obviously a difference between the way I play golf and how Tiger Woods plays golf. He goes for shots he can make, and I go for shots I can make. His way is obviously better in the end though, because his scores are lower and are on harder courses. That means he's playing the game on a higher efficiency level than I am, but If I did everything Mr. Woods does then I would be an exceptional golfer too, which goes for anything.

If everyone here had Snipedown's aim, practiced like Snipedown practices, had the timing he does, call outs, everything, they would be exceptional halo players too. But just like math you can't do Calculus III without knowing arithmetic, algebra, geometry, algebra 2, trigonometry, pre-calc, calculus I, and calculus II. Everything builds on a foundation, Halo, Golf, Math, it's all the same.

So all you generals out there mocking AR users, you're like a calculus student making fun of an algebra student for not knowing calculus.

After reading this far it's implied that there are stages to halo skill. Each level acts as a foundation and you must complete it before moving on. When you reach a certain level you realize Halo 3 is a team oriented game. Inversely the AR is not a team oriented weapon, so it's obvious how it doesn't fit at the highest efficiency levels.

The AR is a great tool for freelancing in match making before you really learn what team work is. It's why lower tier players often have ARs as their TOD. The AR is one of the best overall weapons in the game and its lack of a skill gap makes it forgiving, so it's hard to deny it as a valid weapon with a basic understanding of Halo.

For the lower tier players to ascend to BR-hood they need to learn how to BR properly, use grenades properly, positioning, coordination, timing, and when to push for a melee. Without any of these fundamentals they're not going to be as effective with a BR and will have a hard time transitioning to using a weapon they have so many holes with. So it's easy to see why so many people fall back to their AR.

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Normally, I can agree or see what your saying [Zach] but here I think you couldn't be more wrong. Even I still use the AR. The AR was and still is heavily used at the higher levels.

There are 2 things to note here:

First off the highest levels of Halo are played with teams who have practiced tactics and chemistry, that's the Calculus 3 of Halo so to speak.

Secondly I'm not saying I never use the AR, it's an over powered weapon for its niche. It comes in great use if I'm alone and am out of grenades, but that power is still negated by the weapon's lack of overall versatility relative to the BR. It doesn't finish kills as well and doesn't have the team shooting capabilities.

Basically if you have a great team versus a team of AR believers, the AR team will not have near the coordination (from lack of understanding) and thus will be picked off constantly by lack of numbers. Numbers being the amount of people focusing fire.

Here's an example, two teams are on High Ground. In this situation there's a BR user camo side of the turret bridge. There is also another BR user on laser spawn aiding his team mate on bridge. An AR user has come up from bunker through laser 2 and is now laser side of the bridge. The AR user is more one tracked and sees the kill opposite of him camo side of the bridge. His only options at this point are camp and wait for backup to come (probably not going to be soon enough) or try to take out the guy in front of him before he's attacked himself. So he makes basically his only decision, push to trade kills.

The BR user on bridge has 2 options now, jump up and challenge the charging AR user on top of the bridge in an epic duel, or play ring around the rosie while his team mate shoots at the enemy. In either situation the BR user will win or atleast trade kills because his team mate will be giving cover fire. If both BR players hit their shots it takes the time equivalent of 2 shots to take down this AR user. Or if the BR user keeps his distance there's almost no chance for the AR user.

See how different the situation is with BRs and team work? You give yourself more options, more room to be creative. Versatility is much more than just how a player uses grenades, melee, and their weapon together. It's the ability for the team to be versatile, to adapt and flow depending on the situation at hand. It's why games should be BR starts instead of AR starts because it allows for greater player control of the game's outcome.

Posted by: Unite
Awesome post dude, seriously. I just have one thing to ask in relation. Should it really take that long to realize that a "tactic" is not working? I'm going to go with the whole AR thing here. A player that tries to use the AR in all situations must realize fairly quickly that it is not working very well.

It's the same reason why the best players are in MLG and not unknown match making players, competition. Just like anything else you're only going to be as good as your competition because of efficiency levels. If you are making a mistake, you hesitate for instance, and the pace of play isn't pressing your mistake wont be punished. If you take that same mistake and do it against a top tier team they will capitalize on it.

In terms of halo that means level 30's practice against level 30s because that's who the match making system says is an equal match. But if they are playing against people of their own level, people who make the same mistakes. How will their mistakes be apparent and how will they learn new tactics? The answer is lessons, facing second accounts, customs, socials, or being naturally intuitive.

Hopefully this helped you if you didn't understand why people love the BR or if you don't understand why many players don't.

  • 10.03.2009 2:13 PM PDT

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Hmm maybe the fact that everyone posts about how terrible you did in making the Ar should tell you that you need to actually makes some changes, morons.

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I would never change a single halo weapon there all so cool and original looking compared to other games.

  • 10.03.2009 7:05 PM PDT
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br is better for headshots but ar gets the job done
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  • 10.03.2009 9:51 PM PDT

why would you call sombody a noob for using an AR? why are people so deeply offended if i choose to use an assualt rifle? seriously, its a weapon, in a game. who gives a cow what weapon people use?

  • 10.03.2009 11:18 PM PDT

Posted by: ninja blasterer
why would you call sombody a noob for using an AR? why are people so deeply offended if i choose to use an assualt rifle? seriously, its a weapon, in a game. who gives a cow what weapon people use?

Exactly. I use both, but tend to use the AR more. Mostly for my hatred of the BR but also because the AR is good with certain tactics.
If you burst with the AR you can get a kill in less than a clip.
I've managed to burst fire and kill in half a clip before.

I tend to use the AR, Carbine (Yes its similar to a BR but I prefer its accuracy) and SMG (Single wield).

  • 10.04.2009 7:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: ninja blasterer
why would you call sombody a noob for using an AR? why are people so deeply offended if i choose to use an assualt rifle? seriously, its a weapon, in a game. who gives a cow what weapon people use?
There's two types of people:

The first type enjoy taking part in the game.

The second type enjoy winning the game.

You shouldn't judge someone because they're in one or the other.

AR users are the first type.

BR users are the second type.

  • 10.04.2009 12:25 PM PDT

Posted by: Zach The One
Posted by: ninja blasterer
why would you call sombody a noob for using an AR? why are people so deeply offended if i choose to use an assualt rifle? seriously, its a weapon, in a game. who gives a cow what weapon people use?
There's two types of people:

The first type enjoy taking part in the game.

The second type enjoy winning the game.

You shouldn't judge someone because they're in one or the other.

AR users are the first type.

BR users are the second type.

tsc tsc! don't be stereotyping now!

The br is, as someone said earlier, not as effective as the ar in melee situations. So, because I use the ar for melees, do I only play the game for fun? NO! I play to win, and i simply love hearing people complain about BR's getting owned when they are half a foot away from me.

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Now this is relevant.....but how?

I don't get it. There is no differents between the looks fromt he old games and new game and it acts the same from the old games and new game

  • 10.04.2009 2:18 PM PDT
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i like both wepons

  • 10.04.2009 2:19 PM PDT
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BR > AR

  • 10.04.2009 2:33 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

Mess with the best. Die like the rest.

I hane not seen anything wrong with the BR and i don't understnad why people make such a big deal out of it.

  • 10.04.2009 4:02 PM PDT

BEWARE! Even Grunts can own you on Ledgendary.......

BR is better than AR in most situations, but AR is good for newbs and people who like it up close and personal. when the BR is used properly, u can beat the AR at close range, but as the AR has WAY more ammo, it is better for people who arent very accurate. i say : use Spiker/Magnum dual wield combo. it is a combination of the Magnums accuracy and damage at range, and the Spikers damage up close. my tactic for this combo in close range: down the enemys shields with the Spiker while headshotting with the Magnum. i prefer the BR, but that doesnt mean i wont use the AR.

also, Team Swat is my fave playlist as the BR is my fave weapon, for personal preferences only.

  • 10.04.2009 4:49 PM PDT