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Subject: The Only BR Thread

BR>AR

  • 10.12.2009 2:23 PM PDT

He who runs, dies last. I suggest you run.

Posted by: ACAce23
Posted by: cedrick123
Personally, I find the AR to be a bit underpowered. Perhaps a slight accuracy boost would be good, but otherwise, the balance is fine. The BR is multipurpose, so is the AR, but to a lesser extreme


Accuracy definitely. Unless we want to believe that weapons technology will be worse in the future. Gimme a AUG A3 over an AR, BR, SMG or anything Halo any day

Man wouldn't that be nice :)

An accuracy boost for the AR would put in nicely in line with other weapons.

  • 10.12.2009 3:06 PM PDT
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how am i retarded? ur prob one of those bks tht try to rush at someone with an ar from long range while they have a br, lets see u get close to them, only thing ar is good for is close range, othere then tht u cant do anything with it. ill still 4 shot u close range while u have ur ar kid, haahah the othere day some kid beat ma boy whose a 50 in mlg with a ar, n he was like u sul u just got out ar.d hahahaha someons a bk!!!!

  • 10.12.2009 4:53 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain

Longe range- Sniper Rifle
Middle range(long)- Carbine
Middle range (close)- Assault Rifle
Close range- Shotgun

My weapons of choice at different ranges.

[Edited on 10.12.2009 5:02 PM PDT]

  • 10.12.2009 5:00 PM PDT
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Longe range- Sniper Rifle
Middle range(long)- Carbine
Middle range (close)- Assault Rifle
Close range- Shotgun

My weapons of choice at different ranges.


Long range- Beam Rifle
Middle range(long)- Carbine
Middle range(close)- SMG
Close range- Mauler/Shotgun even

  • 10.12.2009 5:14 PM PDT

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain

I just find that the rate of fire on the battle rifle is too slow.



[Edited on 10.12.2009 5:30 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Achronos
Due to the incessant amount of spam and repeat posting about the topic of the design of the Battle Rifle and the Assault Rifle in Halo 3, all threads about these topics will be locked on sight and the author warned (then banned if they keep doing it). Please discuss the BR and AR and your thoughts in this thread and this thread alone.

For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.

People expecting further Bungie responses on the issue are likely to be disappointed.



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  • 10.12.2009 10:07 PM PDT

give me either, they both beat the pistol

  • 10.12.2009 10:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: cedrick123
Personally, I find the AR to be a bit underpowered. Perhaps a slight accuracy boost would be good, but otherwise, the balance is fine. The BR is multipurpose, so is the AR, but to a lesser extreme


Accuracy definitely. Unless we want to believe that weapons technology will be worse in the future. Gimme a AUG A3 over an AR, BR, SMG or anything Halo any day

Man wouldn't that be nice :)


AUG A3, ACOG, M203 laser and torch coupled with tech in landwarrior technology, and you have something better than an ODST, you have a Landwarrior.

  • 10.12.2009 10:17 PM PDT
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"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci

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Posted by: Achronos
Due to the incessant amount of spam and repeat posting about the topic of the design of the Battle Rifle and the Assault Rifle in Halo 3, all threads about these topics will be locked on sight and the author warned (then banned if they keep doing it). Please discuss the BR and AR and your thoughts in this thread and this thread alone.

For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.

People expecting further Bungie responses on the issue are likely to be disappointed.



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  • 10.12.2009 10:24 PM PDT

The One And Only

I love BR and AR.

  • 10.13.2009 10:24 AM PDT

People dont like the br because there useless at the game. It is the one gun that takes skill.

  • 10.13.2009 11:07 AM PDT

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain

Posted by: Mills3y 95
People dont like the br because there useless at the game. It is the one gun that takes skill.


Every weapon takes skill to use properly in the right situation.

  • 10.13.2009 12:34 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

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it would be good if the br was as strong as the ar because then they would be evenly matched instead of br beats ar

  • 10.13.2009 1:26 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

"I swear, I didn't shoot you! That bullet was in your head before I pulled the trigger..."
"Ordinarily I would tell you to stand back if you don't want to be injured. But in this case, I'll make an exception. I'm going to beat down every last one of you!" -Kenshin Himura

Posted by: Mills3y 95
People dont like the br because there useless at the game. It is the one gun that takes skill.


I'd like to play you in Snipers...

  • 10.13.2009 8:48 PM PDT

Don't -blam!- up halo 4.

I personally find the BR to be the more effective weapon if I had to choose one weapon for every game. However, in certain situations I find it very comforting to have the AR on my back. I wont BR a target with full shields that is 15 feet away if I have an AR. At the same time, I wont AR a target that is 30 feet away if I have a BR. Those situations are altered however with the introduction of grenades. The thing that puts the AR down is that situations in which I would use the AR I could use the SMG and it would be twice as effective.

  • 10.13.2009 10:00 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.
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Posted by: Michael_JC
I have and will always stand by the notion that the conical spread needs to be reduced. However, the bullet distance per frame can stay the same. Leading shots at a distant target feels just... right.


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  • 10.13.2009 11:07 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

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Posted by: Zach The One
This is a compilation of revised ideas and posts I've made over the past 48 hours pertaining to AR usage. They have turned a few heads and gained recognition from those who've read them, so I recommend if you've come this far you continue along your path to enlightenment.


Common Idea:Posted by: rollingspartan
Of course, but the the point is to learn and develop a style that your most comfortable with. Alot of guys play the same way, and alot play a different way, both ways are efficient.

There's a difference between what's best for your skill sets and what's the best way period. There's obviously a difference between the way I play golf and how Tiger Woods plays golf. He goes for shots he can make, and I go for shots I can make. His way is obviously better in the end though, because his scores are lower and are on harder courses. That means he's playing the game on a higher efficiency level than I am, but If I did everything Mr. Woods does then I would be an exceptional golfer too, which goes for anything.

If everyone here had Snipedown's aim, practiced like Snipedown practices, had the timing he does, call outs, everything, they would be exceptional halo players too. But just like math you can't do Calculus III without knowing arithmetic, algebra, geometry, algebra 2, trigonometry, pre-calc, calculus I, and calculus II. Everything builds on a foundation, Halo, Golf, Math, it's all the same.

So all you generals out there mocking AR users, you're like a calculus student making fun of an algebra student for not knowing calculus.

After reading this far it's implied that there are stages to halo skill. Each level acts as a foundation and you must complete it before moving on. When you reach a certain level you realize Halo 3 is a team oriented game. Inversely the AR is not a team oriented weapon, so it's obvious how it doesn't fit at the highest efficiency levels.

The AR is a great tool for freelancing in match making before you really learn what team work is. It's why lower tier players often have ARs as their TOD. The AR is one of the best overall weapons in the game and its lack of a skill gap makes it forgiving, so it's hard to deny it as a valid weapon with a basic understanding of Halo.

For the lower tier players to ascend to BR-hood they need to learn how to BR properly, use grenades properly, positioning, coordination, timing, and when to push for a melee. Without any of these fundamentals they're not going to be as effective with a BR and will have a hard time transitioning to using a weapon they have so many holes with. So it's easy to see why so many people fall back to their AR.

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Normally, I can agree or see what your saying [Zach] but here I think you couldn't be more wrong. Even I still use the AR. The AR was and still is heavily used at the higher levels.

There are 2 things to note here:

First off the highest levels of Halo are played with teams who have practiced tactics and chemistry, that's the Calculus 3 of Halo so to speak.

Secondly I'm not saying I never use the AR, it's an over powered weapon for its niche. It comes in great use if I'm alone and am out of grenades, but that power is still negated by the weapon's lack of overall versatility relative to the BR. It doesn't finish kills as well and doesn't have the team shooting capabilities.

Basically if you have a great team versus a team of AR believers, the AR team will not have near the coordination (from lack of understanding) and thus will be picked off constantly by lack of numbers. Numbers being the amount of people focusing fire.

Here's an example, two teams are on High Ground. In this situation there's a BR user camo side of the turret bridge. There is also another BR user on laser spawn aiding his team mate on bridge. An AR user has come up from bunker through laser 2 and is now laser side of the bridge. The AR user is more one tracked and sees the kill opposite of him camo side of the bridge. His only options at this point are camp and wait for backup to come (probably not going to be soon enough) or try to take out the guy in front of him before he's attacked himself. So he makes basically his only decision, push to trade kills.

The BR user on bridge has 2 options now, jump up and challenge the charging AR user on top of the bridge in an epic duel, or play ring around the rosie while his team mate shoots at the enemy. In either situation the BR user will win or atleast trade kills because his team mate will be giving cover fire. If both BR players hit their shots it takes the time equivalent of 2 shots to take down this AR user. Or if the BR user keeps his distance there's almost no chance for the AR user.

See how different the situation is with BRs and team work? You give yourself more options, more room to be creative. Versatility is much more than just how a player uses grenades, melee, and their weapon together. It's the ability for the team to be versatile, to adapt and flow depending on the situation at hand. It's why games should be BR starts instead of AR starts because it allows for greater player control of the game's outcome.

Posted by: Unite
Awesome post dude, seriously. I just have one thing to ask in relation. Should it really take that long to realize that a "tactic" is not working? I'm going to go with the whole AR thing here. A player that tries to use the AR in all situations must realize fairly quickly that it is not working very well.

It's the same reason why the best players are in MLG and not unknown match making players, competition. Just like anything else you're only going to be as good as your competition because of efficiency levels. If you are making a mistake, you hesitate for instance, and the pace of play isn't pressing your mistake wont be punished. If you take that same mistake and do it against a top tier team they will capitalize on it.

In terms of halo that means level 30's practice against level 30s because that's who the match making system says is an equal match. But if they are playing against people of their own level, people who make the same mistakes. How will their mistakes be apparent and how will they learn new tactics? The answer is lessons, facing second accounts, customs, socials, or being naturally intuitive.

Hopefully this helped you if you didn't understand why people love the BR or if you don't understand why many players don't.

  • 10.14.2009 9:18 AM PDT

"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who."

I agree with you mostly but I have a few contentions.
Posted by: Zach The One
Basically if you have a great team versus a team of AR believers, the AR team will not have near the coordination (from lack of understanding) and thus will be picked off constantly by lack of numbers. Numbers being the amount of people focusing fire.
The implication that "a great team vs. a team of AR users" is assuming and condescending. Why can't a great team be a team of AR users? Why must they be mutually exclusive? A team of AR users will lack understanding? What kind of elitist logic is that?
-snip High Ground scenario This is a terrible example. It's a scenario where 1 AR player is confronting 2 BR users. I can't think of a singe situation where the AR guy doesn't die or trade kills. Any decent team would kill the AR guy regardless of skill.

  • 10.14.2009 12:26 PM PDT

He who runs, dies last. I suggest you run.

Every gun takes skill, just some take different kinds of skill. If anything the BR takes less skill than most weapons.

[Edited on 10.14.2009 1:33 PM PDT]

  • 10.14.2009 1:32 PM PDT

I think that the main annoyance with the AR is the indiscriminate nature of the weapon, a rush from an AR is certain death past a certain amount of shields on the BR wielder, and I as well as many find it frustrating getting AR rushed while i'm one shot, because there is NO chance at all of a victory.

Its not all bad though, spawn traps dont work nearly as well on BR wielders.

  • 10.14.2009 2:33 PM PDT
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yeah man brs are the best. i like 'em

  • 10.14.2009 3:48 PM PDT

I completely agree, please do NOT change the BR,it is fine,and if you do not like,do not use it.If you say it has spread,then you might as well say ALL weapons have spread.

  • 10.14.2009 4:10 PM PDT

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Achronos looks like Doc Ock

  • 10.14.2009 4:33 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

its completely overpowered. What happened to when Halo was fun? Where there was a point of picking up another weapon?

  • 10.14.2009 5:31 PM PDT