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Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread
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i made this for reach so
this is probably not relevant but what the Hell

1- The BR should stay, however have a different roll, the definition of a battle rifle is a gas operated riffle that fire a full sized rifle rounds like the 30-06, or the 7.62x51 which ironically the AR shoots. any way; right now the BR is the effective at all ranges "jack of all trades" weapon, that is the what an Assault rifle is for, i would like to see the BR semi auto so it is more accuracy oriented, instead of an other assault rifle, but it could work either way so i balanced both semi auto and burst BR

2- I think the AR should be the mid range jack o all trades weapon. like the AR in RFG where you have a slight zoom, becomes more accurate, and gets a smaller reticule. also make sound like the MA5B. i miss that wonderful noise. the definition of an assault rifle is a Gas operated rifle that fire an intermediate round. the AR fire a full sized rifle round however this makes sense do to the fact that the enemies a bigger.

so what about this

AR-
Slight Aim
Fire rate- 10/sec
shield damage- 16 rounds
Armor Damage- 4 rounds
Mag size-30
2 second kill

Burst BR-
4x zoom
fire rate 6 rounds/sec or 4 burst/sec
shield damage-13 rounds
Armor damage- 1 head shot 4 torso
roughly 2.5 second kill

Note: differences from halo 3; slightly weaker, and slightly higher fire rate

Semi-Auto BR-
4x Zoom
Fire rate- 4 rounds a sec
Shield damage- 9 rounds
Armor damage- 1 head shot 3-4 torso
Mag size-20
2.5 second kill

so in this case the AR kills faster then the BR, however with the AR you have to use burst fire to accurately hit your target at longer ranges; so the delay in fire rate allows the BR to win at longer ranges.

Halo for the Most parts takes place in close quarters
even the sniping bits, most the times you targets are under 60 meters from your position

effective ranges AR v BR in my scenario
"for reference Sandboxes pavement from end to end is 150m"

AR v BR optimum range point to blank 65m
BR v AR optimum range 65m and beyond
AR max effective range 500m
BR max effective range 900m

so this restricts the MA5s practical use to relatively close to mid range when engaging Elites Brutes and Spartans, how ever it is still functanal at longer ranges, and effective against weaker units at long range

as for the BR, it will normally get overwhelmed in close quarters however if you are good with grenades you could drop an opponents shield and get the head shot

so was this a waste of time, did you like this, what would you do differently, discus, my point was made


[Edited on 10.19.2009 8:30 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 8:29 PM PDT
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"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci

Posted by: RoninX136
The biggest problem with the battle rifle is that its inclusion into matchmaking has promoted boring, monotonous gameplay that wears thin quickly. I have found that in most br start maps that people will actually refuse to pick up other weapons and stick only with the battle rifle. Yet, when you use a different weapon to defeat them you end up getting insulted for example being called a "shotgun noob" ,"sniper noob", or "rocket noob". Overall I would say that battle rifle either needs to be left out of future games or completely revamped to prevent overuse in multiplayer.


That is true.

  • 10.19.2009 11:51 PM PDT

The AR makes me very happy indeed

  • 10.20.2009 4:33 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread
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I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.
i feel same way..... about the ar
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I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.

  • 10.20.2009 10:14 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

i think both of them are good

  • 10.21.2009 9:06 AM PDT

-Nachos (N)

I have nothing against the BR and AR weapons. AR comes in handy for me when I'm somewhat in close combat. The AR can be frustrating sometimes but most times I rock with it. Bungie did a great job on both the AR and BR.N

  • 10.21.2009 6:26 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

lol i may b a noob for replying to a post made on the first page but here it goes..... you can beat a br close range with noscoper. an easy way to get good at noscoping is to turn your sensitivity really low and practice at it for a while. youll find it pretty easy to bodyshot noscope after that.

  • 10.21.2009 6:35 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

lol @ Czar_CJ_Elm were not tryin to make another call of duty... we dont want the "spray and pray" type of gameplay that has come to be so loved by ppl. its halo. its a good game. leave it at that. one thing ive learned is that for every time a game is patched, somthing else needs to be patched. ex. gears of war 2: they patch kung fu flip, they make a new glitch with unlimited bullets and the crabwalk. they patch that. They make the instand dummy and inviso host glitch. Halo is better left alone

  • 10.21.2009 6:41 PM PDT

I like both of them. Of course I like br more because it needs some skill. And br wins ar everytime if you know what to do.

[Edited on 10.22.2009 1:33 AM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 1:33 AM PDT

i have nothing against the BR but i'm a lot better with an AR beat down

  • 10.22.2009 6:45 AM PDT

sniper noob wha kid of scrubs have you been playing with?

  • 10.22.2009 7:59 AM PDT

also i hate the fact that 3 bullets from the ar and a melee kills which allows it to dominate the no longer 2 shot melee br it hurts me in matchmaking

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I like the Br alot i dont thank halo will be halo without the Br <ps sorry if that makes plp mad that i said that>

  • 10.22.2009 4:53 PM PDT
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I love the BR more than the AR the BR just seems more professional

  • 10.22.2009 5:51 PM PDT
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I like the AR and BR combined AR for a close Melee kill and the BR for a scoped headshot

  • 10.22.2009 10:13 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

u want to be in my clan called Afro Spartans

  • 10.22.2009 10:43 PM PDT

Thinking with Portals since '07

Battlefield 3 sucks.

both are good in there own way:

AR- better in close quarters
BR- better further away

  • 10.23.2009 6:38 AM PDT

i think the AR should sound and afect the same way it did in halo 1

  • 10.23.2009 7:53 AM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

I Would Have Been Your Daddy

Posted by: aBungie Employee
The BR needs more cobwell.
My good sir. I totally agree.

  • 10.23.2009 10:48 AM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread
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well there is one thing wrong actually now that i think about it there are 3 .1.it should automaticly have unlimited ammo right away .2.it should be 2 shot not 4 .3.it should give you recon

  • 10.23.2009 5:40 PM PDT

I just don't like playing swat or against an unshielded opponent at range and having to shoot them 3 or 4 times in the head to kill them, I took down there shields with 3-4 head shots now it takes the same amount for it to register a kill? I'm sure someone will say I just suck with the BR which might be true but it just gets annoying I was really good at Swat in halo 2 not so much now in 3.

  • 10.24.2009 1:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: ScaryFatKidGT
I just don't like playing swat or against an unshielded opponent at range and having to shoot them 3 or 4 times in the head to kill them, I took down there shields with 3-4 head shots now it takes the same amount for it to register a kill? I'm sure someone will say I just suck with the BR which might be true but it just gets annoying I was really good at Swat in halo 2 not so much now in 3.


I'm not gonna say you suck, but you're doing it wrong. One burst to the face will kill someone.

  • 10.24.2009 2:13 AM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

halo 3 is ausome like me

I like them both, The AR would be beter if it dident spread as much, The BR would be better if when you are trying to scope someone up far away the gun jumps up

  • 10.24.2009 3:23 AM PDT