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There is something wrong with it... But to whine about it is stupid. Just play the game how it is... It's not a job it's not your life so it's just not that bad having to shoot a couple more times or changing your tactics so you don't keep getting kills, like come from behind them so you can shoot the opponent twice or more before they can even see you.

Anyone complaining I personally think is taking the game too far.

But don't reply to what I say because I won't be reading it anyway... So all those whining morons out there, just don't bother.

Keep the BR how it is... not everything in life is perfect so why should it be in a game.

  • 07.08.2008 2:56 AM PDT
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People are just complaining because it requires skill to use the BR now and those who are unskilled with it are upset. Every weapon has its weaknesses and its strenghts its the combination of a good set of weapons that make a good player. Add skill with a good combination of weapons and anyone can take down a BR.

  • 07.08.2008 5:39 AM PDT
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Dont change the BR its class, new to halo and got used to it, its the best weapon in the game......if anything needs changing power down that needler, nothing worse than having a back full of pink spikes...

  • 07.08.2008 5:41 AM PDT
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BR is great as it is.
Needler is great as it is, but this isn't the thread about needler, so let's end it here.

  • 07.08.2008 5:58 AM PDT

The Risk Is Worth The Reward.
Cry Havoc And Let Slip The Dogs Of War.

The BR is fine the way it is. I don't get why ppl are crying for it to be changed.

  • 07.08.2008 6:26 AM PDT
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well they confessed to increasing the 2nd and 3rd bullets trajectory randomness. That blows, i don't mind a little variance, but it is too much at times. Just reduce the variance a tad. All three don't need to be head hitbox shots, but i've seen a few bullets go a zingging off to no wheres land.

  • 07.08.2008 6:33 AM PDT

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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

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And yet again, why are people willing to allow randomness with other weapons if they refuse to accept it with the BR? There is bullet spread in the AR, Shotgun, and Mauler and yet I doubt people would be clamoring for Bungie to remove the bullet spread from those weapons. So unless you can give me a better justification than "randomness shouldn't be in H3" then there is nothing wrong with the H3 BR.

~B.B.

Why? Because the AR, Shotty, etc. are not accurate, skill orientated weapons... so we don't care about their spread. We do not duel with these weapons, because doing so is pointless, requires no skills, and flat out is not fun. The BR is the only replacement weapon for the Halo 1 pistol. And having randomness with the BR's spread, takes away the skill and fun from the game.


You don't care about the spread on those weapons because you don't like them and feel that they need to be balanced. God knows that no one considers a shotgun an "accurate, skilled weapon". A shotgun (now) has typically an effective range of 70-80 meters. In H3, it has a 5 meter range. Why? Because if they made the shotgun's range further it would seriously harm balance. I can easily say that having bullet spread in the AR, Shotgun, or Mauler takes away the fun of the game for me. No, MLG doesn't "duel" with these weapons because they don't like the fact that now with their 110% damage modifier that these weapons have become increasingly powerful and had to be removed from their versions. You know your logic is screwed up when in order to promote the use of 1 weapon you have to remove 2 of them.

Oh, and don't get me started on how terrible the M6D was/is. Oh, and for the record all weapons have skill associated with them. Which is why I can use them better than most other people because I'm more skillful with them. The only "skill" with the BR is to land 3 body shots and sweep for a headshot. How terribly "skillful"...

~B.B.

  • 07.08.2008 7:01 AM PDT
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If they could make the BR better plz go for it

  • 07.08.2008 7:02 AM PDT
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br isnt broke or nothing just modified for a "NEW GAME" halo 2 fans that play h3 gotta realize this one simple thing.

i love the reticule.....aiming above a little bit its more skill full

  • 07.08.2008 7:40 AM PDT
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Tighten the spread.
Having randomness in a starting weapon isn't fun.

[Edited on 07.08.2008 7:47 AM PDT]

  • 07.08.2008 7:46 AM PDT
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The only thing i hate about the BR is there isn't enough on them when you spawn with AR's (1 in guardian?) and when you spawn with BR's everyone uses AR's. I know about how you didn't want a universal weapon but when you just have to somewhat point at someone for half a second and melee, it's kinda irritating. Oh well, I just stand back when my BR anyway, if they get over to me they get to eat nades.

  • 07.08.2008 7:59 AM PDT

HI

that is it

  • 07.08.2008 8:08 AM PDT
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Uh, I don't like the BR personally too much, but that's just my style. I will use it when i have no other choice to snipe, however. i just don't like the burst-shot. however, it's still a good weapon if you can master it.

  • 07.08.2008 8:49 AM PDT
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I think that the BR is the best weapon in Halo 3 if you got the skill to use it. Same with da sniper, but seeing as this isn't a sniper forum, im not gonna go into that.

Playing matchmaking, making a new profile with my friends and then going through the low levels is fun. But the BR makes it heaven on earth. Anyway, i heard alot of people talkin bout how the AR beats the BR? BS and you know it....long range, short range and medium range the BR trumps the AR anyday. I could not count how many times i have beat people with my BR.

I have to admit, in Halo 2, i was a beast with that BR. The long range capabilities was insane. But i don't think Bungie should change it back. It's still a perfect weapon. Addin on Halo 2 and the BR. I think bungie should try to find a way to STOP this dumb BXR and RRX stuff. Cause after playing Halo 2 for so long, i got sick and tired of it. There are still people doing this dumb crap and double shotting me. I play fair, and it pisses me off more then anything when people will cheat like that.


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  • 07.08.2008 4:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


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Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.


i completely agree with him just i think if they just tightened it up just a little bit not a lot just like a small little bit it would be a litttle more reliable at mid-long ranges but im not trying to complain so thts my opinion

  • 07.08.2008 6:24 PM PDT

I think that the Br is as great as it can be and you shouldn't change that. There are also a ton of people that don't know how to use the Br.

  • 07.08.2008 6:55 PM PDT
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Wait, something was wrong with the BR? I thought it was just perfect the way it is.

  • 07.08.2008 7:37 PM PDT
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All the people who says it's fine say one of these few things, and it's retarded:
1. It's fine, I don't notice a problem
2. HAVE YOU TRIED LEADING YOUR SHOTS?!?!?!?!?
3. Random in games is FUN!
4. You're using it wrong if you the spread prevents you from getting kills.
So i guess, like deny that it's a problem, deny that anything is different, and defend a mutli-million dollar company because it really needs champions in a time like this.

  • 07.08.2008 7:51 PM PDT
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anyone else think that achronos' picture looks like kurt russell? j/w

  • 07.08.2008 8:18 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: MadroKurgan
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
And yet again, why are people willing to allow randomness with other weapons if they refuse to accept it with the BR? There is bullet spread in the AR, Shotgun, and Mauler and yet I doubt people would be clamoring for Bungie to remove the bullet spread from those weapons. So unless you can give me a better justification than "randomness shouldn't be in H3" then there is nothing wrong with the H3 BR.

~B.B.

Why? Because the AR, Shotty, etc. are not accurate, skill orientated weapons... so we don't care about their spread. We do not duel with these weapons, because doing so is pointless, requires no skills, and flat out is not fun. The BR is the only replacement weapon for the Halo 1 pistol. And having randomness with the BR's spread, takes away the skill and fun from the game.


You don't care about the spread on those weapons because you don't like them and feel that they need to be balanced. God knows that no one considers a shotgun an "accurate, skilled weapon". A shotgun (now) has typically an effective range of 70-80 meters. In H3, it has a 5 meter range. Why? Because if they made the shotgun's range further it would seriously harm balance. I can easily say that having bullet spread in the AR, Shotgun, or Mauler takes away the fun of the game for me. No, MLG doesn't "duel" with these weapons because they don't like the fact that now with their 110% damage modifier that these weapons have become increasingly powerful and had to be removed from their versions. You know your logic is screwed up when in order to promote the use of 1 weapon you have to remove 2 of them.

Oh, and don't get me started on how terrible the M6D was/is. Oh, and for the record all weapons have skill associated with them. Which is why I can use them better than most other people because I'm more skillful with them. The only "skill" with the BR is to land 3 body shots and sweep for a headshot. How terribly "skillful"...

~B.B.

The same argument about effective bullet range can be said about any type of 3 burst military rifle. The BR's accuracy and spread is effective at the most 30 yrds. Any military 3 burst rifle has an effective accuracy at around 120 yrds. So EVERY weapon is scaled back in the game. Not just the AR and shotgun.

And there is no need to give me a lesson in clay pigeon shooting. I'm an avid big and small game hunter. And have shot clay pigeons many a time. I own a .270, 30-06 and .300 wetherby high powered rifle for large game deer, antelope, black bear and elk hunting. A 12 gauge, 16 gauge, and 4-10 gauge shotguns for bird, rabbit and other small game hunting.

The point about Halo 3's AR, Shotty, etc. is that they take very little skill to use, and are not accurate at all. So who cares about their spread, considering their effective range is only around 3-5 yrds. The BR is the only accurate mid range weapon in Halo 3 (with the exception being the Carbine, of which cannot be selected as a starting weapon). Both skill and accuracy go hand in hand. When skill and accuracy are taken out of a weapon, i myself, along with many others, find no satisfaction in using them. And thereby the reason MLG uses primarily the BR. They want the most competitive, skill based play possible in Halo 3. If they were to have the AR and shotguns as their primary weapons, the game would be nothing more then a "spray and pray" frag fest. Boring and anything but competitive.

And how the hell do you have a dueling match with the AR or shotgun? Weapons that are not in the least bit accurate, and have no range, and do not register headshots. Strafing has little to no effect, and all you do is try to spray the most bullets into the other (headshots do not count), then follow up with a melee... wow how fun and skillful is that?

Funny how you can dis the Halo 1 pistol, but every Pro (Final Boss, Str8 Rippen) who has played all three Halo's competitively, has stated how Halo 1 MP and the pistol provided the most skill based play of all 3 halo's. I think I, along with many other competitive players, will take their word over yours. Not to mention our own experience with the superior, skilled based Halo 1 MP and pistol.

Oh, and the mauler is present in MLG. Funny that you didn't know that.

[Edited on 07.08.2008 10:55 PM PDT]

  • 07.08.2008 9:44 PM PDT
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Wait a second... Bungie has a gun in their game with a three-shot burst... And they're complaining that is isn't accurate?

I demand that Bungie fixes this gun by giving them head-seeking bullets! I want all of my bullets from this moment on to hit directly at my targets face, even if he's behind three walls, and on the other side of the map!
/sarcasm

I guarantee a majority of kids who complain about the BR probably think that plasma pistoling someone and then beating them down is the best thing in the game, along with sword lunging, hammering, and needleing.

  • 07.08.2008 9:56 PM PDT
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honestly if the br was the only gun in h3 i would be even happier to play..... the sniper can come along too. but honestly i get really pissed if i get game types where i don't start with a br and i feel like quitting.

oh yea if i could take any weapon out of halo permanently it would def be shotgun.

  • 07.08.2008 10:33 PM PDT
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okay this should say it all really short and simple.
for everyone saying they need to fix the br is cuz they cant take how they need to lead shots and evrything in halo 3 jus bcuz in h2 it was instant hit at sight. i mean really do you hear those mlg pros complaning? no you dont,they adapted to halo 3s style of play and the br is fine the way it is.
its much more legit than halo2s super duper ultra mega auto aim 500. jeez. now that i see ppl who have like 30+ in halo 2 there like what 30 and low 40s in h3 and are bad cuz they wont bother to adapt to the halo 3 br.
-note its in my opinion.

  • 07.08.2008 11:05 PM PDT
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Everyone in MLG complains about the spread..you really have NO idea what you are talking about. Once you get some more knowledge on the subject please come back to me.
Posted by: AtomicPurity
okay this should say it all really short and simple.
for everyone saying they need to fix the br is cuz they cant take how they need to lead shots and evrything in halo 3 jus bcuz in h2 it was instant hit at sight. i mean really do you hear those mlg pros complaning? no you dont,they adapted to halo 3s style of play and the br is fine the way it is.
its much more legit than halo2s super duper ultra mega auto aim 500. jeez. now that i see ppl who have like 30+ in halo 2 there like what 30 and low 40s in h3 and are bad cuz they wont bother to adapt to the halo 3 br.
-note its in my opinion.

  • 07.08.2008 11:11 PM PDT