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Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347l
This is where it falls apart. Down to between mid and long your right in most respects. The others pretty much dead wrong. Albeit some exceptions but within about 10m on the radar a bit more maybe if both can aim The ar kills faster.


Also this is what leads to people screaming online. "omfg this kids a scrub he cant br" Sorry but im a somewhat good player and im getting tired of being insulted because im not obsessive with a br I use whatever is going to kill you. In most cases now its the ar or carbine. The ar because people like this guy above me. They only think you can kill with a br. They dont compute in their mind that an ar duel does not always end in a double beat down if your somewhat intelligent just shoot move around some.

Nearly every player online only thinks that when you have an ar you MUST run in a straight line using fully auto firing. Then everyone just completely disregards the magnum so. The magnum is 5 shots to kill (final being to the head) Dual magnums is 4 shots (from each pistol)


If aimed it can be deadlier than a br. In alot of cases (until long range). Don't flame me because your a battle rifle obsessive just look at the facts laid in front of your eyes you dont want to believe.


1- I don't even have a copy of halo 3 or a 360 for that matter. so the calling me a BR obsessed player is a little off

2- The MA5 is my favorite weapon in the entire halo sires when I do play this game it's dam near the only weapon I use and I rarely melee. even at max range which is about 120m I use the AR the I never really get kills at that range but it keep there heads down

3- I tested this with my friend we put the reticule on each-others head at point blank one with a BR and another with an AR and started firing at the same time the BR kills quicker.

4- And how is this a flame?


[Edited on 11.26.2009 10:54 PM PST]

  • 11.26.2009 9:14 PM PDT
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gold brs would be nice

  • 11.26.2009 11:09 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

I've seen my family fade away, You've taken my whole life left me nothing to say. Sitting in silence with heaven above me i prayed every night by their graves. I search for closure i feel it no longer i can't turn my face away. I stand before you Ive seen what I've had to but now i leave your sight to avenge my family, I've taken my whole life there's nothing left to say.

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Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347l
This is where it falls apart. Down to between mid and long your right in most respects. The others pretty much dead wrong. Albeit some exceptions but within about 10m on the radar a bit more maybe if both can aim The ar kills faster.


Also this is what leads to people screaming online. "omfg this kids a scrub he cant br" Sorry but im a somewhat good player and im getting tired of being insulted because im not obsessive with a br I use whatever is going to kill you. In most cases now its the ar or carbine. The ar because people like this guy above me. They only think you can kill with a br. They dont compute in their mind that an ar duel does not always end in a double beat down if your somewhat intelligent just shoot move around some.

Nearly every player online only thinks that when you have an ar you MUST run in a straight line using fully auto firing. Then everyone just completely disregards the magnum so. The magnum is 5 shots to kill (final being to the head) Dual magnums is 4 shots (from each pistol)


If aimed it can be deadlier than a br. In alot of cases (until long range). Don't flame me because your a battle rifle obsessive just look at the facts laid in front of your eyes you dont want to believe.


1- I don't even have a copy of halo 3 or a 360 for that matter. so the calling me a BR obsessed player is a little off

2- The MA5 is my favorite weapon in the entire halo sires when I do play this game it's dam near the only weapon I use and I rarely melee. even at max range which is about 120m I use the AR the I never really get kills at that range but it keep there heads down

3- I tested this with my friend we put the reticule on each-others head at point blank one with a BR and another with an AR and started firing at the same time the BR kills quicker.

4- And how is this a flame?
Ugh its as if you have no common sense at all. When in my post did i point out you at all? Ive tested many people have tested. You cant get an accurate test unless you do both at the same time by YOURSELF. The delay in 2 people doing the test is enough to throw it off. Check back on this forum husky owner has done the test multiple times with results different from yours. Please use common sense. I told people not to flame me just look what i said. So your " how is this a flame?" Is just you being a dumb ass. COMMON SENSE PEOPLE Use your noodle O.o

  • 11.27.2009 10:11 AM PDT
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I've seen my family fade away, You've taken my whole life left me nothing to say. Sitting in silence with heaven above me i prayed every night by their graves. I search for closure i feel it no longer i can't turn my face away. I stand before you Ive seen what I've had to but now i leave your sight to avenge my family, I've taken my whole life there's nothing left to say.

Posted by: Yourm0md07c0m
gold brs would be nice
I agree gold weapons would be amusing.

  • 11.27.2009 10:11 AM PDT
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Brs-Mid to long Range
Ars-Mid to short range
Its not the weapon that kills its the user.

  • 11.27.2009 12:17 PM PDT

Spartan 117 > All

Battle Rifle > AR

Why ?
Because the AR is for noobs !

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  • 11.27.2009 1:25 PM PDT
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ar is terrible

and u prombley use one

  • 11.27.2009 1:49 PM PDT
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as far as the test goes there is one unmentioned variable and that's the updates. however i tested this not but a weak ago and as far as I know there has been no updates since then. and the variable of the two of us testing it. the BR won by such an amount our reaction times were no factor and considering we were playing split screen and counted down to 3 in unison that dose not leave that big of a variable. so The BR dose kill quicker.


Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347l

. Don't flame me because your a battle rifle obsessive just look at the facts laid in front of your eyes you dont want to believe.[/quote]

So your " how is this a flame?" Is just you being a dumb ass. COMMON SENSE PEOPLE Use your noodle O.o


OK I miss read that.

[Edited on 11.27.2009 2:03 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2009 2:03 PM PDT
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why do people complain i dont like when my teammates cant use it so my epic fails because of it

  • 11.27.2009 2:11 PM PDT
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If I may step in here and apply my experince here. I'm a man of the military. I'm in the Marines and during my training I've found that the programmers at Bungie worked hard to try to get an accurate feel for the weapons in the game. With the BR you are morte accurate at longer range because your weapon isn't jumping around from recoil as much as the AR. But your AR can give your target a lead anema at the right range. Using the BR takes pratice just like learning to get those grenade sticks. Thanks for your time.

  • 11.27.2009 2:33 PM PDT

I've seen my family fade away, You've taken my whole life left me nothing to say. Sitting in silence with heaven above me i prayed every night by their graves. I search for closure i feel it no longer i can't turn my face away. I stand before you Ive seen what I've had to but now i leave your sight to avenge my family, I've taken my whole life there's nothing left to say.

Posted by: Czar_CJ_Elm
as far as the test goes there is one unmentioned variable and that's the updates. however i tested this not but a weak ago and as far as I know there has been no updates since then. and the variable of the two of us testing it. the BR won by such an amount our reaction times were no factor and considering we were playing split screen and counted down to 3 in unison that dose not leave that big of a variable. so The BR dose kill quicker.


Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347l

. Don't flame me because your a battle rifle obsessive just look at the facts laid in front of your eyes you dont want to believe.[/quote]

So your " how is this a flame?" Is just you being a dumb ass. COMMON SENSE PEOPLE Use your noodle O.o


OK I miss read that.
Each human has a reaction time of a thats about a fraction of a second that can throw it off. And if you get down to it in all of the calculations it goes to the range.

  • 11.27.2009 2:39 PM PDT

I've seen my family fade away, You've taken my whole life left me nothing to say. Sitting in silence with heaven above me i prayed every night by their graves. I search for closure i feel it no longer i can't turn my face away. I stand before you Ive seen what I've had to but now i leave your sight to avenge my family, I've taken my whole life there's nothing left to say.

Posted by: Dante1155
If I may step in here and apply my experince here. I'm a man of the military. I'm in the Marines and during my training I've found that the programmers at Bungie worked hard to try to get an accurate feel for the weapons in the game. With the BR you are morte accurate at longer range because your weapon isn't jumping around from recoil as much as the AR. But your AR can give your target a lead anema at the right range. Using the BR takes pratice just like learning to get those grenade sticks. Thanks for your time.
Agreed o.O

  • 11.27.2009 2:41 PM PDT
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HAha, and ask for skittles amo

MMMM

  • 11.27.2009 7:56 PM PDT
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The Br is just fine it doesn't need to be changed

  • 11.27.2009 10:16 PM PDT
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I agree, the BR is perfect in everyway when used properly and handled skillfully.

  • 11.27.2009 10:34 PM PDT

the only reason this thread is up is because they took the br out of halo because the person that puts wepons in the game is a dumb @$$

  • 11.27.2009 11:09 PM PDT
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If you think halo-wise, the AR is more powerful from about 10ft or closer than the BR. Unless you get a consecutive four shots on the opposing player's head, there is no way a BR could be more powerful at an acceptably short range. Only under certain circumstances is an AR better. However, a BR is much, MUCH more powerful from a mid range or farther. So, saying all these kids are bad because they use AR's is quite foolish. chill out..

  • 11.28.2009 8:05 AM PDT
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The people who use the AR just need to stick with tight hallways and sudden corner fights. But the people who feel the need to take the time and pratice their BR skills are valuble in more fights. Myself and one other Marine managed to win a 2 vs. 3 fight because we were able to keep our oppenents at a range they just couldn't hit us with their AR wich they used.

  • 11.28.2009 8:29 AM PDT
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if you dont wanna die then MOVE!!

the thing is the assult rifle is great because it has rapid fire but its not as strong as the battle rifle. but the battle rifle has a 3 round burst but is stronger than the assult rifle. so the way i see it is they should be treated the same just with different fire rates. personaly i would like to see the BR upgraded somehow.

  • 11.28.2009 9:36 AM PDT
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TS: 50 MLG: 50 TD: 50 SWAT: 50 SNIPES: 50 LW: 46

Every playlist bar TS and MLG are horrible.

I would like 100% BR starts in Ranked.

The final word on AR/BR starts. Here is a message from Shishka, that I got, when I asked him why my thread about BR starts was locked. Here you go, directly from the top:

Posted by: Shishka
I wasn't the person that locked your thread, but if I were a guessing man, I'd say it's because we're used to these attempts at "intelligent discussion" going horribly wrong and devolving into pointless flame wars between the two sides of the same proverbial coin.

Generally this happens despite the best intentions of the original post, so don't take it personally.

Basically it breaks down to this: Some people feel all games should be BR starts. Others don't. The internet draws a divide and suggests that if you don't agree with the BR starts side, you're not good enough at the game to have a qualified opinion. As you can imagine, this can be offensive to people who don't think the game should be strictly BR starts.

Note nowhere did I say anything about "AR starts only." That has less to do with the argument than you think. The core of the argument is that the majority are happy with standard weapon starts, or specifically are not interested in just BR starts, and a lot of people that feel BR starts are the only way to go look down their nose at anyone who disagrees. Meanwhile, starting with any weapon is a legitimate way to play (otherwise we wouldn't have made it an option to change the starting weapon), and the internet continues to squabble over it while the bulk of Halo 3 players enjoy the game.

So again, no fault of your own. We've just seen these threads before a million times over, and they always go in the same direction: People that want BR starts want BR starts, and everyone else doesn't. A bunch of people assert reasoning based on personal experience and hearsay rather than any genuine insight, and eventually people just start hurling insults.

  • 11.28.2009 7:10 PM PDT

yeah but thats the problem its perfect no other wepon is perfect, the only bad thing is amunition but on last resort and construct its were ever you go.

  • 11.28.2009 9:13 PM PDT
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I'm out of chips.

Posted by: Czar_CJ_Elm
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347l
This is where it falls apart. Down to between mid and long your right in most respects. The others pretty much dead wrong. Albeit some exceptions but within about 10m on the radar a bit more maybe if both can aim The ar kills faster.


Also this is what leads to people screaming online. "omfg this kids a scrub he cant br" Sorry but im a somewhat good player and im getting tired of being insulted because im not obsessive with a br I use whatever is going to kill you. In most cases now its the ar or carbine. The ar because people like this guy above me. They only think you can kill with a br. They dont compute in their mind that an ar duel does not always end in a double beat down if your somewhat intelligent just shoot move around some.

Nearly every player online only thinks that when you have an ar you MUST run in a straight line using fully auto firing. Then everyone just completely disregards the magnum so. The magnum is 5 shots to kill (final being to the head) Dual magnums is 4 shots (from each pistol)


If aimed it can be deadlier than a br. In alot of cases (until long range). Don't flame me because your a battle rifle obsessive just look at the facts laid in front of your eyes you dont want to believe.


1- I don't even have a copy of halo 3 or a 360 for that matter. so the calling me a BR obsessed player is a little off

2- The MA5 is my favorite weapon in the entire halo sires when I do play this game it's dam near the only weapon I use and I rarely melee. even at max range which is about 120m I use the AR the I never really get kills at that range but it keep there heads down

3- I tested this with my friend we put the reticule on each-others head at point blank one with a BR and another with an AR and started firing at the same time the BR kills quicker.

4- And how is this a flame?
You're wrong on 3/4 of these points. Them being 1, 3 and 4.

1: He did not in any way call you battle rifle obsessive, he said that, assumed from your post, you thought the only way you could kill is with a BR, which you just proved in point 2.

3: I did this too but I tested this offline, and more than once. You said you did it with your friend, which I assume was over Xbox LIVE. Taking lag and host advantage into effect, he could have started shooting earlier than you did, thereby killing you faster. Also you only tested it once, when I tested in 5 times, 3/5 times the Assault Rifle would win.

4: He didn't say this was a flame, he said don't flame him for the truth.

And I've seen him play he's much better than the average player.

[Edited on 11.28.2009 10:22 PM PST]

  • 11.28.2009 10:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Husky0wner127
1: He did not in any way call you battle rifle obsessive, he said that, assumed from your post, you thought the only way you could kill is with a BR, which you just proved in point 2.

3: I did this too but I tested this offline, and more than once. You said you did it with your friend, which I assume was over Xbox LIVE. Taking lag and host advantage into effect, he could have started shooting earlier than you did, thereby killing you faster. Also you only tested it once, when I tested in 5 times, 3/5 times the Assault Rifle would win.

4: He didn't say this was a flame, he said don't flame him for the truth.

And I've seen him play he's much better than the average player.


1 and 4 yeah i miss read what he said there was a string of post after this one about this one

3 i tested this split screen, multiple times I don't know how updated his halo was but from what we found is the BR would win 100% of the time. and there was a big enough gap our reaction times were no factor. I will try this again, to be sure.

all im trying to say is making the AR kill faster than the BR within optimum auto-fire range and giving the AR more armor damage would balance the two weapons

and I saying nothing about anyone's skill. I'm just addressing the balance issues of the AR and BR

  • 11.28.2009 10:46 PM PDT
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  • 11.28.2009 11:19 PM PDT
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Personally, I love the AR. I always enjoy AR starts a lot more than BR starts because it has something that BR starts doesn't: Variety. In a BR starts game, it's always the same clack-clack BR fighting with the occasional Sniper Rifle or Rocket Launcher or any other power weapons. It's bland and repetitive. With AR starts, you get a lot of different fights with varying weapons going on. You get some AR vs Dual Spiker fights, some Needler vs AR fights, etc. Plus, you have a very under appreciated back up weapon: The Magnum, or what I like to call the 'Semi-Nerfed BR.' From personal experience, I always tend to have more fun in an AR starts game than a BR starts game, no matter what. Plus, being proficient with the Assault Rifle is harder than being proficient with the Battle Rifle. With the BR, you can just Run-N-Gun. At least with the AR, you actually have to think sometimes.

  • 11.28.2009 11:20 PM PDT