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Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread

The AR may take 16 shots while the BR takes 12 shots, but you fail to mention one critical asset... THE AR SHOOTS A HELL OF A LOT FASTER THAN THE BR, RETARD!!! Therefore, AR>BR in close-range, if you actually know how to use it. And any long-range gun>BR due to the BR's travel bullets taking forever to reach the target. Basically, the BR is best for finishing off enemies when teammates injure them, or for double-teaming at mid-range combat. It also serves its purpose when grenade-shooting.

  • 01.14.2010 3:47 AM PDT

"What's so hard about swish swish stab?..."

The AR is a very decent weapon if you know how to use it in combo kills. I've found that using it to remove shields, pulling out a pistol and landing a headshot is a simple way to deal with annoying shotgun users (I hate that weapon).
the only annoying thing with the BR is I always seem to run out of ammo, mainly in campaign, right in the middle of battle. I should probably blame it on the skulls I have active, but clip size is really the ONLY issue for me.

  • 01.14.2010 4:52 AM PDT
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I'm out of chips.

geh

  • 01.14.2010 4:56 AM PDT

"What's so hard about swish swish stab?..."

Seriously, the only weapon I wish was faster reload time was the SMG when holding duels, although plasma rifle then SMG usually solves that problem.

In a reality look on this sort of argument, if the M9 wasn't to your liking, would you go back and complain to your CO about it?

  • 01.14.2010 5:11 AM PDT

your mom

AR AR AR AR AR AR!!!!!!
Posted by: Achronos
Due to the incessant amount of spam and repeat posting about the topic of the design of the Battle Rifle and the Assault Rifle in Halo 3, all threads about these topics will be locked on sight and the author warned (then banned if they keep doing it). Please discuss the BR and AR and your thoughts in this thread and this thread alone.

For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.

People expecting further Bungie responses on the issue are likely to be disappointed.

Posted by: Achronos
Due to the incessant amount of spam and repeat posting about the topic of the design of the Battle Rifle and the Assault Rifle in Halo 3, all threads about these topics will be locked on sight and the author warned (then banned if they keep doing it). Please discuss the BR and AR and your thoughts in this thread and this thread alone.

For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.

People expecting further Bungie responses on the issue are likely to be disappointed.

  • 01.14.2010 3:21 PM PDT

I never, have personally had a bullet drop or spread problem, never, whatsoever. I think BR is my third weapon of destruction or so, and thats because its a fine gun, go play team BR's, I haven't seen any crying noobs saying the BR sucks on team chat, or anyone thats absolutely horrible with it either, I just think that its kinda bad they put the AR for the secondary weapon in team BR's, maybe an smg?

All I know is, be good at halo in general, your probably good with a BR.

and about that comment where I haven't seen BR people complain before? maybe its because they are all on the forums.

  • 01.14.2010 4:24 PM PDT

halo should be a sport

yeah it seems like the only time i hear anyone complain about the BR is here on Bungie
i have never heard anyone in game chat complain
and i don have spread problems either
just because its not the same as the BR in halo 2
doesn't mean it sucks in halo 3
you just have to lead your shots at long range

  • 01.14.2010 6:18 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

I agree but have to point out that the BR has way more advantages than disadvantages. It can be used against just about anything:
-Killing drivers of Warthog/Ghosts
-Used with a grenade it is 1 burst kill
-Used with melee it is 1 burst kill

The list goes on and on. This is for the people that disagree with Pk and others, and to prove that it takes skill and precision to use. Better than running around with a Rocket Launcher. Nice job with the skill input of the gun Bungie, it is accesible to the unskilled and a tool of mass destruction to the skilled.



Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
My thoughts:

*The BR was designed with strengths and weaknesses.
*The weaknesses were added in to offset the strengths.
*It takes skill to use the BR like JonnyOThan said.
*The BR is as effective as it was designed to be.
*Bungie DOESNT have to fix the BR because it is the way they want it to be.

So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It


  • 01.14.2010 8:20 PM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread
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they are both really noob weapons people neeed to learn to use a weapon that needs skill

[Edited on 01.14.2010 8:29 PM PST]

  • 01.14.2010 8:29 PM PDT
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"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return." - Leonardo da Vinci

Posted by: nate99
they are both really noob weapons people neeed to learn to use a weapon that needs skill


Pistol ftw.

  • 01.15.2010 1:45 AM PDT
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I'm out of chips.

Posted by: gromus1000
and about that comment where I haven't seen BR people complain before? maybe its because they are all on the forums.
No, it's because we're all in party chat cuz we're sick of hearing BR retards scream: "I'M SO MLG SNIPEZ ITZ PRO AT HALO CUZ I USE TEH BATTLE RIFAIL!" or "YOU'RE SUCH A SCRUB BK CUZ UR USING A GUN THAT'S NOT A BATTLE RIFLE!!"

  • 01.15.2010 4:52 AM PDT
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why not use the carbine its single fire instead of all this automatic and three burst crap

  • 01.15.2010 6:37 AM PDT

i totally agree with you. when i first played halo3 i picked up a br and i wondered because i messed up every headshot...i was used to the br in halo2....so the only thing you have to do is to learn how you handle this weapon and then you rock!

  • 01.15.2010 7:49 AM PDT
Subject: The Only BR Thread

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  • 01.15.2010 10:05 AM PDT
Subject: The Only BR/AR Thread
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I'm out of chips.

lolz

  • 01.16.2010 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Infernalstorm97

BR-scoped, medium damage, large clip, accurate, 4 shot capability, effective at all ranges.

none.


False
This is what a lot of people don't realize. The Battle Rifle is FAIL at close range. Where as the assault rifle isn't. So when some guy with a BR thinks he's MLG and tries to use the battle rifle at close range, he gets pwned by the AR, and screams that the AR user was a noob and doesn't know how to play halo.


But why? You were so close! You were right about everything else!! Why this!?


i say this with as much respect as possible.

the BR does not fail at close range... YOU fail at close range.


my reasoning? i use the BR at close range against AR and win about 75% of the time. heck i useualy even take out shotguns at close range, solong as its out of beatdown range, your set.

  • 01.16.2010 11:50 PM PDT

The BR is the most versatile weapon in the game. People that complain about it are just annoyed by the fact they get killed by it too much. Hmm, maybe some of you should think about why you get killed by it. Maybe you should pick up the BR and try to get better with it. You'll understand then.

I don't like seeing posts about how the BR is overpowered. That's just a completely false statement. The Halo 2 BR was completely overpowered. Then Bungie actually listens to their community and makes the BR harder to use, and you guys still complain. Halo 2 BR had too much auto aim, it was hit scan, and it had no spread. It was like a sniper rifle. Not to mention the glitches made it an even more dangerous weapon.

The Halo 3 BR has less auto aim, you have to lead your shot, and it has a spread. Then you say it's overpowered. Believe it or not, it's the mid range weapons that define the game. Take out the BR and Carbine. What game do you got? A camping fest and sniper whoring. That's how it goes. The BR and Carbine are there to counter all kinds of combat that way you're not stuck.

Halo 3 is the most balanced game out of the three. Bungie finally gets it right and you still complain. While it did tone down the competitiveness for MLG, the mass of the fan base should be pretty happy with it. Instead, the idiots that don't like using the BR gets all mad when they die by it. The BR is pretty much a necessity to get decent at. That way, if you're in a jam, the BR can actually help you get out of a jam. Regardless what weapon the other team has.

As for the AR. It's fine. It's not overpowered either. It can be countered pretty easily to. So stop complaining. It's a pretty well balanced game.

[Edited on 01.17.2010 4:54 AM PST]

  • 01.17.2010 4:54 AM PDT

I've seen my family fade away, You've taken my whole life left me nothing to say. Sitting in silence with heaven above me i prayed every night by their graves. I search for closure i feel it no longer i can't turn my face away. I stand before you Ive seen what I've had to but now i leave your sight to avenge my family, I've taken my whole life there's nothing left to say.

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Posted by: Husky0wner127
Posted by: Infernalstorm97

BR-scoped, medium damage, large clip, accurate, 4 shot capability, effective at all ranges.

none.


False
This is what a lot of people don't realize. The Battle Rifle is FAIL at close range. Where as the assault rifle isn't. So when some guy with a BR thinks he's MLG and tries to use the battle rifle at close range, he gets pwned by the AR, and screams that the AR user was a noob and doesn't know how to play halo.


But why? You were so close! You were right about everything else!! Why this!?


i say this with as much respect as possible.

the BR does not fail at close range... YOU fail at close range.


my reasoning? i use the BR at close range against AR and win about 75% of the time. heck i useualy even take out shotguns at close range, solong as its out of beatdown range, your set.
No offense but then the people you play against suck. I lose close range to a battle rifle maybe 8% of the time and thats also when i've previously beat down others running at me in close range with a br.

  • 01.17.2010 11:45 AM PDT

I've seen my family fade away, You've taken my whole life left me nothing to say. Sitting in silence with heaven above me i prayed every night by their graves. I search for closure i feel it no longer i can't turn my face away. I stand before you Ive seen what I've had to but now i leave your sight to avenge my family, I've taken my whole life there's nothing left to say.

Posted by: Kaynoc
The BR is the most versatile weapon in the game. People that complain about it are just annoyed by the fact they get killed by it too much. Hmm, maybe some of you should think about why you get killed by it. Maybe you should pick up the BR and try to get better with it. You'll understand then.

I don't like seeing posts about how the BR is overpowered. That's just a completely false statement. The Halo 2 BR was completely overpowered. Then Bungie actually listens to their community and makes the BR harder to use, and you guys still complain. Halo 2 BR had too much auto aim, it was hit scan, and it had no spread. It was like a sniper rifle. Not to mention the glitches made it an even more dangerous weapon.

The Halo 3 BR has less auto aim, you have to lead your shot, and it has a spread. Then you say it's overpowered. Believe it or not, it's the mid range weapons that define the game. Take out the BR and Carbine. What game do you got? A camping fest and sniper whoring. That's how it goes. The BR and Carbine are there to counter all kinds of combat that way you're not stuck.

Halo 3 is the most balanced game out of the three. Bungie finally gets it right and you still complain. While it did tone down the competitiveness for MLG, the mass of the fan base should be pretty happy with it. Instead, the idiots that don't like using the BR gets all mad when they die by it. The BR is pretty much a necessity to get decent at. That way, if you're in a jam, the BR can actually help you get out of a jam. Regardless what weapon the other team has.

As for the AR. It's fine. It's not overpowered either. It can be countered pretty easily to. So stop complaining. It's a pretty well balanced game.
If all every does is use it though the game becomes boring and repetitive, which is inevitable but it can be delayed if we actually have fun while playing the game. Don't only use a br. Oh and by the way i don't care how or what you think but, sniper br IS the new noob combo.

  • 01.17.2010 11:49 AM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

I'm still anti-BR, but I use it because I have to. I remember the absurd amount of aim assist in Halo 2. I once picked up a BR and watched an enemy walk in front of me, and as he did, the reticule moved across the screen at 1/3 of his travel speed, and I wasn't even touching the stick. I still don't see how the BR is better than the AR because it kills in fewer shots (optimal conditions.) These optimal 4-shooting conditions rarely happen. Frequently, the opponent typical takes anywhere from 6-10 bursts to kill, and the attack power decreases with range. Even though the first bullet is supposedly 100% accurate, it is not. i tested this on standoff, where I had two spartans facing each other on opposite sides of the map. I got a BR, and shot at hte target's head. It took all 12 bursts to kill him. And the BR is not good at close range. It can be beaten by spikers, AR's, shotguns, swords, plasma pistols, plasma rifles, SMG's, maulers, rockets, gravity hammers, brute shots, and flamethrowers, so it is by no means an ultimate weapon. In practice, it is actually a relatively weak weapon. It is most effective on enemies that are already injured, or when used with coordinated fire from other BR's. This is becuase getting the 4-shots and headshots that this weapon is famous for is rare and difficult. At close range, unless your opponent is already injured, you will probably lose a rush-melee duel. I do agree about the players who think that they are superior because of their usage of the BR. They have skill, but only in gametypes that are BR dominated such as MLG and SWAT. I recently played one like this in a team slayer match on assembly in social slayer. My team only had me and another guy, while the enemy team was full. The enemy team lost, and afterwards, the guy challenged me to a 1v1 MLG duel on blackout. At first, I dominated him. He only gained the upper hand by hiding and using sneak attacks. In open fights, I frequently bested him. Afterwards, I dueled him in a default settings game on snowbound. I overwhelmingly beeat him with a KDR of 5 to 1. He was excellent at stealth, but only decent with the BR, pathetic in direct confrontations, and abyssmal with other weapons. I finally have to say that I am glad about how bungie balanced the BR. My only complaint that doesn't have to do with killing with it or being killed by it is that it's too common a weapon, and for something so versatile it is too common. I think that on most maps, the number of BR's should be cut in half, and make people use alternate styles of combat instead of relying on one weapon. It would spice up multiplayer and make the BR, an important weapon, into a strategic resource.

  • 01.17.2010 6:22 PM PDT
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Anyone want to join my BATTLE RIFLE group? (It's called "MLG experts")

  • 01.17.2010 9:13 PM PDT
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Anybody want to join my BATTLE RIFLE group? It's called MLG experts

  • 01.17.2010 9:24 PM PDT

In my opinion the BR is a good weapon. It is fairly powerful at most ranges but I think it is too powerful to start off with. Im not saying you shouldn't be able to pick it up on the map, as it is with many playlists. In many of those I often try to grab a BR first because
1. All battles at the start of the game begin at mediud-long range and
2. Its a good weapon, why not use it?

However I think that you should not start with a BR because it is one of the stronger weapons in the game. The AR is useful, although is not as good as the BR in many categories. Still, people spwaning with ARs leads to constant running at each other and meleeing, which does get boring. As far as the staring weapon goes I think the magnum should be given to players, with the BR/AR easily available for pickup. With the Magnum, should can still get some quick kills if you need to when you spawn (grenade/melee then headshot), but you are at a small disadvantage until you find a weapon or kill someone with a better one

  • 01.17.2010 11:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: cam315
Anybody want to join my BATTLE RIFLE group? It's called MLG experts
Why am I not surprised?

  • 01.18.2010 10:10 AM PDT
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I'm out of chips.

Posted by: MOOdapiller
Posted by: Husky0wner127
Posted by: Infernalstorm97

BR-scoped, medium damage, large clip, accurate, 4 shot capability, effective at all ranges.

none.


False
This is what a lot of people don't realize. The Battle Rifle is FAIL at close range. Where as the assault rifle isn't. So when some guy with a BR thinks he's MLG and tries to use the battle rifle at close range, he gets pwned by the AR, and screams that the AR user was a noob and doesn't know how to play halo.


But why? You were so close! You were right about everything else!! Why this!?


i say this with as much respect as possible.

the BR does not fail at close range... YOU fail at close range.


my reasoning? i use the BR at close range against AR and win about 75% of the time. heck i useualy even take out shotguns at close range, solong as its out of beatdown range, your set.
I say this with as much respect as possible as well.

The BR does fail at close range, but so do the people you play against. I'm sure you're saying you win at close range with it about 75% of the time with nothing to back that number up.

  • 01.18.2010 10:13 AM PDT