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Subject: The Only BR Thread

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The same argument about effective bullet range can be said about any type of 3 burst military rifle. The BR's accuracy and spread is effective at the most 30 yrds. Any military 3 burst rifle has an effective accuracy at around 120 yrds. So EVERY weapon is scaled back in the game. Not just the AR and shotgun.


Yup, exactly. Which is why the BR in Halo 3 has been scaled back in it's effectiveness. Just like other weapons that in real life have much larger effective ranges are scaled back in H3 to create balance. You don't have a problem with Bungie scaling back the AR or Shotgun but you have a problem when they scale back the BR? Your logic is amazing.

And there is no need to give me a lesson in clay pigeon shooting. I'm an avid big and small game hunter. And have shot clay pigeons many a time. I own a .270, 30-06 and .300 wetherby high powered rifle for large game deer, antelope, black bear and elk hunting. A 12 gauge, 16 gauge, and 4-10 gauge shotguns for bird, rabbit and other small game hunting.

That's great. I own a chrome Mag Research .45 Desert Eagle, a Glock 23C, an USMC M40A3 rifle, and a 30-06. Well, actually the Glock is more my fiancee's than mine, but you get the picture. I also worked as a ballistics tech for several years before taking my current position in a NPO. My point was that there are weapons that are considered "skillful and precise" that others typically don't see as such. Stereotypically shotguns have been very limited in scope in video games. That's for weapon balance sake rather than it being a reflection of the weapon's actual ability. That was the point; not a lesson on shooting.

The point about Halo 3's AR, Shotty, etc. is that they take very little skill to use, and are not accurate at all. So who cares about their spread, considering their effective range is only around 3-5 yrds.

You find them to take very little skill to use. I find carrying one is often times very limiting because of how narrow the effective range of the weapon is. The "skill" aspect of the shotgun has less to do with the firing of the weapon and more to do with getting yourself into scenarios where it is within it's effective range. The same could be said of the BR although I'll grant that it's slightly harder to aim the BR because of the size of the reticule. I'd imagine that is counterbalanced by the fact that the BR's effective range is FAR greater than the shotgun's. And I care about the spread of the shotgun because when going against another shotgun user it can make a wide difference. Try shooting (split-screen) someone who is just barely outside "red reticule" with the shotgun. Then compare it to when it is just barely "red reticule". I've had times where being outside of "red reticule" actually removed more shield than having the reticle being red. The spread on the Shotgun can mean the difference between having to shoot 2 times at a distance or having to shoot 3 times at a distance. Hmm...that sounds familiar...

The BR is the only accurate mid range weapon in Halo 3 (with the exception being the Carbine, of which cannot be selected as a starting weapon). Both skill and accuracy go hand in hand. When skill and accuracy are taken out of a weapon, i myself, along with many others, find no satisfaction in using them.

You are focusing primarily on one definition of "skill". Which is both naive and biased. All weapons require accuracy. I can't shoot 8 ft. to your left with any weapon and be expected to hit you. Do some weapons require more precision in aiming? Yes. Do those weapons typically have far larger effective ranges? Yes. Does that help create weapon balance? Yes. Now for the completely biased and subjective opinion part. I don't like BR-start games? Why? Because they are monotonous and boring. I can pretty much use the BR the entire match. I don't care if I live or die because if I die, on-spawn I have a fresh BR with plenty of ammo. I don't mind using the BR obviously since I have over 16,000 kills with it. I just don't like starting with one because in my opinion it ruins weapon variety and turns the game into very predictable and monotone.

And thereby the reason MLG uses primarily the BR. They want the most competitive, skill based play possible in Halo 3. If they were to have the AR and shotguns as their primary weapons, the game would be nothing more then a "spray and pray" frag fest. Boring and anything but competitive.

Again, purely subjective opinion. That's cool that MLG has a ragin' clue for the BR. Personally the most competitive and skill based game would be M6G starts with no other weaponry. If you can consistently kill people with that weapon IMO you're pretty damn skilled. Again, MLG and apparently you focus on one specific definition of "skill". There are many. You're/They're focusing on the "aiming precision" skill aspect but that takes away a lot of the "have the right weapon for the right situation" kind of skill. You find it boring and non-competitive. I find MLG boring and non-competitive. Weee...opinions are fun.

And how the hell do you have a dueling match with the AR or shotgun? Weapons that are not in the least bit accurate, and have no range, and do not register headshots. Strafing has little to no effect, and all you do is try to spray the most bullets into the other (headshots do not count), then follow up with a melee... wow how fun and skillful is that?

Actually, if you are not a half-retarded circus monkey using the AR, chances are you don't do the whole "spray and pray" crap that you're sooo biased about. Typically I'll stay outside of range because I know most other people only hold RT so I'll wait till their clip runs empty while firing bursts into them. Anyone who is moderately skillful (and I know you hate hearing that) with the Assault Rifle rarely if ever uses it in combination with a melee. It's far too risky because of the possibility of a "double-melee" occurring. If you really think that all people use the AR in the whole "hold RT while running at opponent then melee" mindset you're so ignorant, biased, and naive that I'm surprised you haven't swallowed your tongue and choked to death.

Funny how you can dis the Halo 1 pistol, but every Pro (Final Boss, Str8 Rippen) who has played all three Halo's competitively, has stated how Halo 1 MP and the pistol provided the most skill based play of all 3 halo's. I think I, along with many other competitive players, will take their word over yours. Not to mention our own experience with the superior, skilled based Halo 1 MP and pistol.

Congrats on buying into "pros" opinions. Very fanboish of you. I can understand that people feel that the M6D was the "most skillful" weapon in the series. I can also fully understand why the M6D was the most "broken" weapon in regards to weapons balance. They aren't dichotomous. I also found the M6D to be rather cheap because you could easily just hit a person with a couple shots (with that HUGE reticule) and then melee to kill them. I also love how you're insinuating that I didn't play HCE or HCE competitively. I only went to 1 HCE LAN competition while having LANs at my house every week for a year and a half. I also regularly played HCE on XBC. I also participated in several HCE PC LAN competitions during my years in undergrad. I've played the game enough...

Oh, and the mauler is present in MLG. Funny that you didn't know that.

Funny how I did know that. I've mentioned that exact fact several times during this thread. Apparently MLG doesn't have a problem with bullet spread because they allow a weapon (Mauler) which has it in their competitions with no qualms about it. Sounds to me that they are just trying to be selective about which weapons they complain about because they don't like it when Bungie balances "their" weapon.

~B.B.

[Edited on 07.09.2008 8:43 AM PDT]

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I'm still trying to get used to the BR, but I'm slowly starting to love it, lol. When I catch those long-range shots I wanna use it more.


[Edited on 07.09.2008 8:52 AM PDT]

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Why are people complaining over a weapon that takes skill to use. If you can only use the Assualt Rifle and your up against someone who is good with the BR don't complain that he killed you because the weapons cheap. Its part of the game and you'll have to deal with it if you can't use it.

  • 07.09.2008 8:52 AM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: TheFaze
Did I ever say take out leading? Yeah take it out at like 10 yards..you shouldn't have to lead there. But if you want to bring up the point about it being in the future and keeping up the times..well...here goes...If it is 400 years in the future, don't you think that they would have a gun that could eliminate spread? Come on...
Note that this isn't an attack directed at you...just your comments.


Yeah, that would explain why there is also bullet spread on the Assault Rifle, Shotgun, and Mauler in H3. Or why the plasma pistol, plasma rifle, or beam rifle overheat after continued use! I mean come on Bungie, we're talking about the future here!! You don't think heat-sink technology would have advanced to the point where a simple plasma weapon wouldn't overheat?

If you are saying that a "realism" argument can't be used in regards to the BR with why it has bullet spread you can't at the same time expect the same argument to be used in regards to the AR, Shotgun, or Mauler.

So ask yourself? Why should the AR or Shotgun have bullet spread. If your justification starts with "because it's a full-automatic weapon" or "it's a shotgun"...you can't say that the BR shouldn't have a bullet spread as well.

~B.B.

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Tighten the spread.

And to everybody saying to tighten the spread on the Assault rifle and shotgun -
Those weapons are too powerful to not have a spread.
Shotguns aren't made to shoot across the map and kill somebody in 1 shot. However, a Battle Rifle should be able to kill somebody in 4 shots if shot accurately, unlike the 6-9 shots it takes now because of the spread

Certain weapons need bullet spreads, however, RIFLES should not. The assault rifle is more of a SMG than a rifle anyway. Close-up weapons have always had spreads, that's what makes them CLOSEUP weapons,

[Edited on 07.09.2008 10:55 AM PDT]

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: TheFaze
Did I ever say take out leading? Yeah take it out at like 10 yards..you shouldn't have to lead there. But if you want to bring up the point about it being in the future and keeping up the times..well...here goes...If it is 400 years in the future, don't you think that they would have a gun that could eliminate spread? Come on...
Note that this isn't an attack directed at you...just your comments.


Yeah, that would explain why there is also bullet spread on the Assault Rifle, Shotgun, and Mauler in H3. Or why the plasma pistol, plasma rifle, or beam rifle overheat after continued use! I mean come on Bungie, we're talking about the future here!! You don't think heat-sink technology would have advanced to the point where a simple plasma weapon wouldn't overheat?

If you are saying that a "realism" argument can't be used in regards to the BR with why it has bullet spread you can't at the same time expect the same argument to be used in regards to the AR, Shotgun, or Mauler.

So ask yourself? Why should the AR or Shotgun have bullet spread. If your justification starts with "because it's a full-automatic weapon" or "it's a shotgun"...you can't say that the BR shouldn't have a bullet spread as well.

~B.B.

This is exactly the reason we can't put realism into effect in this game. First off, if you want to talk realism, we would have larger clips, better calibers, etc. I understand where you are coming from though....I think...and you have one of the most well prepared arguments so far. And a shotgun should have a bullet spread because...well isn't that what a shotgun is supposed to do? Another thing. We don't want a BR that can 4 shot across the map. We want an accurate]/b] BR spread that promotes skill instead of randomness.
EDIT: I just thought of something.
A good example of what we want the spread to be like is the M16 in CoD4. The weapon [b] has a spread
, but it is very small so it promotes skill.

[Edited on 07.09.2008 11:00 AM PDT]

  • 07.09.2008 10:58 AM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: ST CheezHead
Tighten the spread.

And to everybody saying to tighten the spread on the Assault rifle and shotgun -
Those weapons are too powerful to not have a spread.
Shotguns aren't made to shoot across the map and kill somebody in 1 shot. However, a Battle Rifle should be able to kill somebody in 4 shots if shot accurately, unlike the 6-9 shots it takes now because of the spread

Certain weapons need bullet spreads, however, RIFLES should not. The assault rifle is more of a SMG than a rifle anyway. Close-up weapons have always had spreads, that's what makes them CLOSEUP weapons,


*SIGH*

1.) Tightening the spread would make little difference. I've explained why about 100 times already. Unless they completely remove bullet spread from the BR, the difference in percentages would not make much/if any noticeable difference.

2.) It's your opinion that the AR and shotgun are already too powerful of weapons. I feel that a BR that can consistently 4-shot anywhere "red reticule" (even scoped) is far far too powerful. While you feel that the shotgun shouldn't shoot across the map and hit people others feel that the BR shouldn't be able to kill you incredibly quickly if you are at a far distance.

3.) No, the Assault Rifle is a *RIFLE*. You can't dual wield ARs like you can dual wield a SMG. I completely EL OH EL'd when you said that rifles shouldn't have bullet spread and then said the Assault Rifle isn't a Rifle. I love the convoluted logic on that one.

4.) You're trying to use a pragmatic/realism argument but won't allow the same to be used in regards to the Battle Rifle. You can't have it both ways here.

~B.B.

  • 07.09.2008 11:07 AM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: TheFaze
This is exactly the reason we can't put realism into effect in this game. First off, if you want to talk realism, we would have larger clips, better calibers, etc. I understand where you are coming from though....I think...and you have one of the most well prepared arguments so far. And a shotgun should have a bullet spread because...well isn't that what a shotgun is supposed to do? Another thing. We don't want a BR that can 4 shot across the map. We want an accurate]/b] BR spread that promotes skill instead of randomness.
EDIT: I just thought of something.
A good example of what we want the spread to be like is the M16 in CoD4. The weapon [b] has a spread
, but it is very small so it promotes skill.


Fine, remove the bullet spread from the Assault Rifle, Shotgun, and Mauler while removing the overheating of the Plasma Pistol, Plasma Rifle, Beam Rifle and then we can talk about removing the bullet spread of the Battle Rifle. All those things were added because of "realism" to help balance the weapons.

I agree that a shotgun *should* have a bullet spread, especially in a video game because it balances the weapon and gives it a role (close range). However, I think that a burst-fire weapon should have a minor bullet spread because it balances the weapon. If there was a bullet spread on either the Carbine or Sniper Rifles, I would have a problem with that (unless they add it if you fired either sniper rifles very quickly to resemble recoil).

[off-topic]I can't really talk about the M16 in COD4. I'm sure in that game it operates entirely different than it does in real life. I played COD4 for only a couple weeks and quickly returned it because of the lack of split-screen XBL multiplayer. Oh and the whole "lets make it easier for good players to kill easier" crap.[/off-topic]

~B.B.

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: ST CheezHead
Tighten the spread.

And to everybody saying to tighten the spread on the Assault rifle and shotgun -
Those weapons are too powerful to not have a spread.
Shotguns aren't made to shoot across the map and kill somebody in 1 shot. However, a Battle Rifle should be able to kill somebody in 4 shots if shot accurately, unlike the 6-9 shots it takes now because of the spread

Certain weapons need bullet spreads, however, RIFLES should not. The assault rifle is more of a SMG than a rifle anyway. Close-up weapons have always had spreads, that's what makes them CLOSEUP weapons,


*SIGH*

1.) Tightening the spread would make little difference. I've explained why about 100 times already. Unless they completely remove bullet spread from the BR, the difference in percentages would not make much/if any noticeable difference.

2.) It's your opinion that the AR and shotgun are already too powerful of weapons. I feel that a BR that can consistently 4-shot anywhere "red reticule" (even scoped) is far far too powerful. While you feel that the shotgun shouldn't shoot across the map and hit people others feel that the BR shouldn't be able to kill you incredibly quickly if you are at a far distance.

3.) No, the Assault Rifle is a *RIFLE*. You can't dual wield ARs like you can dual wield a SMG. I completely EL OH EL'd when you said that rifles shouldn't have bullet spread and then said the Assault Rifle isn't a Rifle. I love the convoluted logic on that one.

4.) You're trying to use a pragmatic/realism argument but won't allow the same to be used in regards to the Battle Rifle. You can't have it both ways here.

~B.B.

1. If it wouldn't make a difference, don't you think Bungie would give it to us? Lowering the spread would make a difference because it would make it that much less random.

2. Wow. How often do you see people 4 shotting every shot? Honestly. This is a prime example why this argument is so stupid. The BR can be easily taken out by a variety of weapons if you know how to use them.

3. You can't dual wield ARs because just think of the overpowered-ness of that..honestly. And there is a BIG difference between 3 shot burst and 60 shot burst. This argument is simply far fetched.

4. Again, this is why you cannot use realism as an example for Halo.

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: TheFaze
This is exactly the reason we can't put realism into effect in this game. First off, if you want to talk realism, we would have larger clips, better calibers, etc. I understand where you are coming from though....I think...and you have one of the most well prepared arguments so far. And a shotgun should have a bullet spread because...well isn't that what a shotgun is supposed to do? Another thing. We don't want a BR that can 4 shot across the map. We want an accurate]/b] BR spread that promotes skill instead of randomness.
EDIT: I just thought of something.
A good example of what we want the spread to be like is the M16 in CoD4. The weapon [b] has a spread
, but it is very small so it promotes skill.


Fine, remove the bullet spread from the Assault Rifle, Shotgun, and Mauler while removing the overheating of the Plasma Pistol, Plasma Rifle, Beam Rifle and then we can talk about removing the bullet spread of the Battle Rifle. All those things were added because of "realism" to help balance the weapons.

I agree that a shotgun *should* have a bullet spread, especially in a video game because it balances the weapon and gives it a role (close range). However, I think that a burst-fire weapon should have a minor bullet spread because it balances the weapon. If there was a bullet spread on either the Carbine or Sniper Rifles, I would have a problem with that (unless they add it if you fired either sniper rifles very quickly to resemble recoil).

[off-topic]I can't really talk about the M16 in COD4. I'm sure in that game it operates entirely different than it does in real life. I played COD4 for only a couple weeks and quickly returned it because of the lack of split-screen XBL multiplayer. Oh and the whole "lets make it easier for good players to kill easier" crap.[/off-topic]

~B.B.

We DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE SPREAD!!!!!!!!!!! I have repeatedly stated this but apparently noone wants to acknowledge this. We want a TIGHTER spread that promotes skill instead of random luck. I have said that at least 5 times in this thread and people still can't understand this. And the overheating aspect on every weapon can be easily avoided. The spread on a BR cannot be avoided. To the Shotty/Mauler argument...They do their job. If they had a tighter spread they would be far too overpowered. And now to the AR...Honestly the AR is already overpowered as it is. You may argue with me, but as a STARTING weapon, it is ridiculously overpowered. A starting weapon should not be able to take down most other weapons as easily as the AR does [excluding BR starts...]. And don't even try to tell me that the Halo CE AR was the way it should be or as an example, because it was vastly overpowered.

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Obviously the only reason people complain about the BR is when they aren't good enough to use it effectively... If anyone wants some BR lessons or just boosting accounts for fun, send me a friend request or invite at: i cheneyd i

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Posted by: cheneysdick
Obviously the only reason people complain about the BR is when they aren't good enough to use it effectively... If anyone wants some BR lessons or just boosting accounts for fun, send me a friend request or invite at: i cheneyd i

This is the mos naive statement to use. I am pretty sure MLG folks could rock you, and they obviously complain about the BR. Seriously, this is the stupidest argument that you could bring. Please get your facts next time before you click reply.

  • 07.09.2008 11:52 AM PDT

My name's not actually Max. I got stuck with my brother's username somehow, so he made a different name and stuck to The Flood.

one dude was complaining about all the scratches on it.

  • 07.09.2008 12:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: MadMax808
one dude was complaining about all the scratches on it.

Please don't post in this thread unless you have something intellectual to say.

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The only reason people would complain about the BR is because they aren't good with it. If any one wants some BR tutoring or just boost some levels, hit me up :) my gt is: i cheneyd i

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Show me someone who complains about the BR and i'll show them how to BR properly; name 1 MLG pro who complains about the BR.
oh yeah, that's right, there arent any.

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Posted by: cheneysdick
Show me someone who complains about the BR and i'll show them how to BR properly; name 1 MLG pro who complains about the BR.
oh yeah, that's right, there arent any.

You are ridiculously ignorant. Honestly, if I still played Halo I would personally rock you so you would shut up. But if you want proof go make a thread on MLG and see how many people complain.

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The BR is great, I see nothing wrong with it and think it is perfectly balanced with other Halo 3 wepons.

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Ignorant.... Have you ever heard of an ad hominem? if you haven't, it was something Socrates came up with about argumentation; basically you aren't supposed to directly attack someone during an argument, it directs a personal attack instead of actually talking about the current issue. you just failed for part 1 of your argument. Secondly, to address you rocking me, feel free to scrim me 1v1. the current prof im boosting has the gt "i cheneyd i" and we'll see who rocks who. And thirdly, if you are going to make the claim that their are "mlg members" who dislike the BR, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE ONE NAME (EVIDENCE) TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM. I don't doubt that some pros don't like the br, but they are just being whiny. why would the BR be the main mlg weapon if their is such a widespread dislike of it?
if you don't have evidence to back up your general claims just keep your mouth shut,. and scrim me tonight or asap.

  • 07.09.2008 1:00 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: TheFaze
We DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE SPREAD!!!!!!!!!!! I have repeatedly stated this but apparently noone wants to acknowledge this. We want a TIGHTER spread that promotes skill instead of random luck. I have said that at least 5 times in this thread and people still can't understand this. And the overheating aspect on every weapon can be easily avoided. The spread on a BR cannot be avoided. To the Shotty/Mauler argument...They do their job. If they had a tighter spread they would be far too overpowered. And now to the AR...Honestly the AR is already overpowered as it is. You may argue with me, but as a STARTING weapon, it is ridiculously overpowered. A starting weapon should not be able to take down most other weapons as easily as the AR does [excluding BR starts...]. And don't even try to tell me that the Halo CE AR was the way it should be or as an example, because it was vastly overpowered.


Oh, I can understand it, you're just WRONG. For the 101st time, reducing the values of the spread would do little to nothing in regards to changing how the BR currently operates. If you want a further in depth discussion of why that is look at my previous posts in this thread. TIGHTENING THE SPREAD WILL NOT REMOVE PERCEIVED RANDOMNESS. Isn't typing in caps lock fun?

So you think that the AR is an overpowered starting weapon but you think the BR is fine? I hope that I'm completely misunderstanding you here but if that is your contention...I don't think I can talk to you anymore. The shotgun and mauler moderately do their jobs but really only when coupled with a melee. Which makes it rather risky because of the current "double-melee" system. IMO, the BR does its job. It is a good close to mid range weapon that can still kill at mid to long range with more shots. No where did Bungie ever say that the BR in H3 should have to 4-shot every time or consistently. The spread on the BR can be easily negated as well. Don't operate the weapon outside of the intended range and you'll be fine. Just like you shouldn't just hold down RT when firing the Plasma Rifle. If you operate the weapon in the way it was intended you don't get the negative effects.

~B.B.

  • 07.09.2008 1:03 PM PDT

GOD IS GREAT. PRAISE DEDICATION DEVOTION TO AHURA MAZDA
.DEATH UPON NON-BELIEVERS, INFIDELS, AND THE EVIL LYERS

THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO FIX THE BR IS ....for it to shoot a bit faster!

  • 07.09.2008 1:11 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: TheFaze

1. If it wouldn't make a difference, don't you think Bungie would give it to us? Lowering the spread would make a difference because it would make it that much less random.


No, because it's a waste of time especially to people who don't understand the thing they are suggesting. Lowering the numerical spread mathematics would not reduce perceived randomness. Plain and simple. You are WRONG.

2. Wow. How often do you see people 4 shotting every shot? Honestly. This is a prime example why this argument is so stupid. The BR can be easily taken out by a variety of weapons if you know how to use them.

Good, that's the way it should be. The BR should be easily taken out by a variety of weapons if you know how to use them. Just like all the other weapons in H3 can easily be taken out or countered if you use other weaponry effectively.

3. You can't dual wield ARs because just think of the overpowered-ness of that..honestly. And there is a BIG difference between 3 shot burst and 60 shot burst. This argument is simply far fetched.

Yep, dual ARs would be over-powering. That wasn't the point. The Assault Rifle, is just that a rifle. A different type of rifle than the Battle Rifle, but one none the less. You are still trying to make a realism argument by comparing a 3-shot burst to a full-automatic weapon. You cannot make this argument as I've told you countless time.

4. Again, this is why you cannot use realism as an example for Halo.

And yet you continue to do so.

~B.B.

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Posted by: cheneysdick
Ignorant.... Have you ever heard of an ad hominem? if you haven't, it was something Socrates came up with about argumentation; basically you aren't supposed to directly attack someone during an argument, it directs a personal attack instead of actually talking about the current issue. you just failed for part 1 of your argument. Secondly, to address you rocking me, feel free to scrim me 1v1. the current prof im boosting has the gt "i cheneyd i" and we'll see who rocks who. And thirdly, if you are going to make the claim that their are "mlg members" who dislike the BR, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE ONE NAME (EVIDENCE) TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM. I don't doubt that some pros don't like the br, but they are just being whiny. why would the BR be the main mlg weapon if their is such a widespread dislike of it?
if you don't have evidence to back up your general claims just keep your mouth shut,. and scrim me tonight or asap.

First off why would I waste my time "sc-blam!- you" when I haven't played in a while. Second...wow..you can boost...GREAT job, its not that hard. And third...I told you to address the community, I don't need a single example because there is a whole community, and to prove it I will make a thread myself. Lastly...the BR is the main MLG weapon because of the lack of choice of weapons. What else are you going to use? The Carbine? No. The BR is the most effective skill weapon in the game right now, I never made an argument against that...the problem is that it could be made to take more skill. I don't feel like wasting my time creating a thread on MLG, so I will just link some threads that prove my point.
This thread identifies that there is a problem with the BR and how to fix it. Notice how the masses agree that there is a problem.
This thread shows the pretty much what the MLG community as a whole thinks. If you need more I can deliver.

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Remember how awesome the pistol was in Halo 1? It got downgraded in Halo 2, and now it just sucks! Now THERE is something to complain about!

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whatever, you go back and forth saying the BR sucks to the br is the best weapon in the game. im sorry that you never got a 50 and are upset so you get in arguments on bungie.net. there are no doubts in my mind that ill beat you you're a brig with noob bars. i couldnt care less about you or your thoughts so stop starting arguments and then contradicting yourself

  • 07.09.2008 1:21 PM PDT