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BR oWnS

  • 07.11.2008 12:50 PM PDT
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  • 07.11.2008 1:56 PM PDT

When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

why dosent the bungie employe who made this thread post on it. surely he has an opinion to. can a bungie employe please tell us whats happening with the br .

hey, we may only be 1% of the halo poppulation that notice the BR spead, but that 1% is what has kept halo so poppular since its release, please bungie do it for us!

  • 07.11.2008 2:00 PM PDT
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OMG, WTF!!!

What is with the BR, seriously GUYS!!! Also , What is the point 4 a bungie employee makin a thread about the BR Spread when they havent commented on it since.
The BR Is seriously f***ed up and needs to be sorted out. I Cant count how many times i have seen some one with no shields n i shot them in the head and it takes like 3 bursts to the head to get 1 bullet to hit, i mean..... WTF!!!

Bungie, Your one of the best game developers and community supporters out, so keep up your reputation and fix the BR!

  • 07.11.2008 2:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: XIPEYMONSTERIX
OMG, WTF!!!

What is with the BR, seriously GUYS!!! Also , What is the point 4 a bungie employee makin a thread about the BR Spread when they havent commented on it since.
The BR Is seriously f***ed up and needs to be sorted out. I Cant count how many times i have seen some one with no shields n i shot them in the head and it takes like 3 bursts to the head to get 1 bullet to hit, i mean..... WTF!!!

Bungie, Your one of the best game developers and community supporters out, so keep up your reputation and fix the BR!



SO -blam!- TRUE -blam!-, OMFG U R THE -blam!- SON U KNOW IT SON, OMFG FIX THE FUKING BR BUNGIE, OR IM GONNA PLAY -blam!- VIVA PINYATABOLLUCKS SON , HALO 2 IS THE -blam!- NOW -blam!-, BxR 2 THA FACE OMFG QUAD SHOT FTW SON, SERIOSLY BTB IS -blam!- -blam!-E NOW SON WITH THE BR HAVIN THE EFFECTIVE RANGE OF A MAULER SON, ZOMFG BUNGIE HAXORS FIX THAT BR -blam!- LUKEMS UR A -blam!- !1


  • 07.11.2008 2:32 PM PDT

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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

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There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Jammyd0dger93
hey, we may only be 1% of the halo poppulation that notice the BR spead, but that 1% is what has kept halo so poppular since its release, please bungie do it for us!


Wow...just wow. Go away, please.

Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.

  • 07.11.2008 2:34 PM PDT

When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

wow, -blam!- u SON , fix the BR end of story no questions, the BR is fully broken no -blam!- fullly -blam!- up, halo 2 FTW now mate

  • 07.11.2008 2:36 PM PDT

When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

btw who the -blam!- mentioned h1 its better than h2 and h3 BIATCH

CLAW, CLAW MUHAHAHHAHA
btwe u dont have to post ur failed name after EVERY -blam!- POST ~B.B

BIG -blam!- -blam!- SON

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  • 07.11.2008 2:37 PM PDT
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Beserker ............... i have only 1 thing to say to you and your thoughts about the BR Spread

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  • 07.11.2008 2:41 PM PDT

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Unfreakenbelievable!!

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Posted by: Jammyd0dger93
hey, we may only be 1% of the halo poppulation that notice the BR spead, but that 1% is what has kept halo so poppular since its release, please bungie do it for us!


Wow...just wow. Go away, please.

Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.

I'm a 100% sure that the majority of people played Pro settings which started you with Pistol-AR on every map.

  • 07.11.2008 5:41 PM PDT

" Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? " -Ben Kenobi

I have only one contention with the br, and thats its seemingly weakened melee. but im sure theres most likely some gameplay reason for this.



[Edited on 07.11.2008 5:59 PM PDT]

  • 07.11.2008 5:59 PM PDT

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I've read this whole thread (after the comments I made on the first few pages) and I just want to point out a few things that I think address a lot of the posts so far.

- Bungies decisions are always up for question and debate. Don't be a minion and agree with everything they say. Question them, and debate their choices. I think to do anything less would be a disservice to both them and the community. Blind obedience won't get us anywhere.

- "Don't use it" is not an answer to the BR issue. It is a cop-out. If you really want to use that phrase as an argument, you also need to suggest an alternative starting weapon that could fill the role of the BR. You can't start with Carbines, so there really isn't any replacement for the BR at the moment in Halo 3.

- Post more then just your opinion. Use examples, evidence, and well thought out points to convince people of your arguments. "The BR is fine" does not add anything to the discussion.

I'll probably edit this later and add more.
You're nothing if not persistent.

I'm beginning to think your real purpose is to get recognized by Bungie for not giving up on the subject and not because you want the BR changed.

Simple one liners like "The BR is fine" is an expression of personal preference. It may not be scientific but if Bungie sees the majority of players are happy and their statistics are okay then the persistent nay sayers will fail to get what they want. Pay attention to some of Achronos' recent replies.


Hahahaha, Yeah, cause I give a -blam!- about what people (including Bungie) think of me on these forums. Internet recognition is a retarded thing to pursue, as its a complete toss up as to who receives recognition and who doesn't.

I'm commenting on an issue that I feel is important to the quality of this game. I also enjoy discussing this issue with intelligent people on both sides of the argument. You should try it some time.

Any post with just the words "The BR is fine" should be considered spam in my opinion. You aren't adding anything. At least people who explain their position actually provide us with something to contemplate and discuss. Put a little effort in people.

And my criticism of this game does not make me a "nay sayer."

In terms you will understand.
I think Halo 3 is fun. I also think its flawed. <(expression of personal preference)

  • 07.11.2008 7:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jammyd0dger93
hey, we may only be 1% of the halo poppulation that notice the BR spead, but that 1% is what has kept halo so poppular since its release, please bungie do it for us!


Wow...just wow. Go away, please.

Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.

I'm a 100% sure that the majority of people played Pro settings which started you with Pistol-AR on every map.
Yes that's true. They used the "Generic' setting, which gave you a Pistol and an AR as starting weapons.

  • 07.11.2008 7:40 PM PDT
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Excerpt from my thread.Now, MLG is great, but why did they want the BR to be "fixed", when it was obviously "broken" in Halo 2, but MLG didn't use the other weapons in their tournaments, so they threw weapon balance out the window. Why " fix" something twice? Why "break" something that was already "fixed". The BR is fixed right now, in Halo 3. You guys cannot see how bad it was in H2, because you had nothing to compare it to. You guys need to accept the fact that the BR will remain the same.

It's your fault you picked an over-powered weapon for "skill" in H2, but now it's H3, maybe you guys should learn to use just a couple more weapons.

Also, why do you want it fixed, now, after eight months? Isn't that a little late? You guys should have known the spread was off since you are so used to the H2 spread. Why didn't you "tell" Bungie to "fix" it along with the melee in the first auto update? And, did you guys know that the H2 BR was too accurate, with the result of being overpowered? You must have, right? How do you expect Bungie to make another game with the BR like that? You'd just have an upgraded Halo 2.

If you want to test who has better teamwork and aim, without all this "crap" you say. I'll make a game for you, and call it stick wars, your main weapon will be 100% accurate. It will have the same mechanics of the BR, the grenades will "work" because all surfaces in the game world and maps will be flat. There will be power weapons just how you like them, rocket and sniper. This all sounds tot good to be true doesn't it, well, it's not true. I can't make "your" game how "you" like it. You know, with all that money won from tournaments, maybe you can hire some people to make more of a "skill" based game, and leave us other people out of it.

You take games that companies make and turn them competitive, Halo 2 had the right stuff for you to do that, but it doesn't mean that the sequel will be the same, you should have known Bungie didn't intentionally make the Halo games just for "you", and that they were bound to "fix" the BR in H3.

If Halo 2 was your type of game for "skill", then so be it. I know Bungie won't change anything for you that will disrupt the balance of Halo 3, so maybe this game just isn't the game you... "wanted".

  • 07.11.2008 7:52 PM PDT

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Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Otis 117
I have only one contention with the br, and thats its seemingly weakened melee. but im sure theres most likely some gameplay reason for this.


The BR's melee has the same power as the other weapons, just weaker bullets. It takes 3 shots (9 bullets) to get the health/shields low enough to kill with the melee. With the AR, for example, it takes only 6 bullets to get the health/shields to the same point. So it has to do with how much health/shields are left for the melee to kill. I think the Brute weapons have stronger melees, however, but not totally positive.

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The fact that you think the way the BR plays/designed is wrong or something is amazing to me. Thats the way the game was made so that should be taken into consideration with playing it.
I am not entirely sure why i am responding to this in the first place, but honestly, THEY ARE NOT GUNNA CHANGE IT.

but please, whine & discuss more.


Ok I've said it enough GTFO! Because what you just said did not help anybody. In fact I feel retarded just for reading it. WE KNOW THAT"S THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED! We are complaining about the fact that it was designed this way. We also know they are not going to change it. We continue, however, so Bungie MAY take these things into consideration when making their next FPS game.

But please continue to belittle us some more because all complainers, like the civil rights movement, deserve to be put down, and criticised just because they're "whining". I know this isn't the same, but use your head. If nobody complained nothing would ever change. So since you've only re-iterated things we already have adressed GTFO!

  • 07.11.2008 10:23 PM PDT

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i have freat maps for br i put many hours in my maps and if you love the br you will love a lot of my maps... i promise they are worth looking at.. thanks and have a nice day....

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Posted by: Jammyd0dger93
hey, we may only be 1% of the halo poppulation that notice the BR spead, but that 1% is what has kept halo so poppular since its release, please bungie do it for us!


Wow...just wow. Go away, please.

Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.


Are you honestly that retarded? Seriously who the -blam!- played halo CE not on pro? Like LOLOLOLOLOLOL BLOODGULCH WITH PLASMA PISTOL LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Go back and read my post on competetive gaming in this thread and stop posting in it until you can actually say anything that's well thought out and logically sound.

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Posted by: grunge sofa
The fact that you think the way the BR plays/designed is wrong or something is amazing to me. Thats the way the game was made so that should be taken into consideration with playing it.
I am not entirely sure why i am responding to this in the first place, but honestly, THEY ARE NOT GUNNA CHANGE IT.

but please, whine & discuss more.


Ok I've said it enough GTFO! Because what you just said did not help anybody. In fact I feel retarded just for reading it. WE KNOW THAT"S THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED! We are complaining about the fact that it was designed this way. We also know they are not going to change it. We continue, however, so Bungie MAY take these things into consideration when making their next FPS game.

But please continue to belittle us some more because all complainers, like the civil rights movement, deserve to be put down, and criticised just because they're "whining". I know this isn't the same, but use your head. If nobody complained nothing would ever change. So since you've only re-iterated things we already have adressed GTFO!

Umm... did you just compare yourselves complaining about the BR to the Civil Rights movement?

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Excerpt from my thread:
Now, MLG is great, but why did they want the BR to be "fixed", when it was obviously "broken" in Halo 2, but MLG didn't use the other weapons in their tournaments, so they threw weapon balance out the window. Why " fix" something twice? Why "break" something that was already "fixed". The BR is fixed right now, in Halo 3. You guys cannot see how bad it was in H2, because you had nothing to compare it to. You guys need to accept the fact that the BR will remain the same.


It was broken in Halo 2, but was fixed with an auto update late in the game. MLG DID use other weapons, and still does use other weapons in tournaments. Rember in Halo 2 there was no such thing as forge. Map weapons couldn't be selectively deleted. It was either basic setup, or a few pre-made selections. -blam!- the sword was used in MLG on lockout in Halo 2. The BR is not "fixed" in it's current state. It is randomized. This creates an illusion of skill when in reality it is mostly based on luck. That is if you're fighting a player in the same area of skill that you are. If you're a 50 shooting a 20 it's pretty obvious that your aim is what's getting you kills. It's when the 50 is fighting a 49 that this problem comes into play. The two players are about the same skill level, and really one bullet makes all the difference in the world, ESPECIALLY in the world of competitive gaming. When that one bullet is off target because of randomization, even though you're aiming at the exact spot you're supposed to aim, you've just been robbed of a kill. OR you've been killed because your opponent got lucky and his bullet, equally skillfully aimed, was randomly more accurate than your bullet. This gives some players the illusion of having a greater skill level, when they're just getting the lucky bullet. Halo 2 BR had some other things about it that we don't need in H3, like hitscan, and the button glitches. But a consistent bullet spread is not too much to ask. Really we need to accept the fact that it will remain the same? Is this going to be how you base most of your arguments? No I'm sorry I can't accept certain things the way they are. If people never complained, or rose up against their overlords in the revolutionary war, this country would still be a colony of Great Britain. Using that as an example, not an equal, we should not just keep our mouths shut. Criticism is the greatest thing, or should be, a developer could ask for. They WANT to know what we think about their game/s. They want to make their games better, so accepting faults, and not complaining, will only result in -blam!- games.

It's your fault you picked an over-powered weapon for "skill" in H2, but now it's H3, maybe you guys should learn to use just a couple more weapons.

Really it's MLG's fault that they picked the utility weapon for "skill"? The wepon that was meant to be good at everything, but great at nothing? It's their fault huh? How arrogantly naieve do you really have to be to say something like this? BTW MLG uses more than just the BR, but the other weapons we use do not have such GLARING faults as the BR.

Also, why do you want it fixed, now, after eight months? Isn't that a little late? You guys should have known the spread was off since you are so used to the H2 spread. Why didn't you "tell" Bungie to "fix" it along with the melee in the first auto update? And, did you guys know that the H2 BR was too accurate, with the result of being overpowered? You must have, right? How do you expect Bungie to make another game with the BR like that? You'd just have an upgraded Halo 2.

We are complaining now, and want it fixed now because, at least for me, when I first played Halo 3 I gave bungie the benefit of the doubt. I thought, "ok the BR feels different, well I'll probably get used to it or w/e." Here we are 8 months to a year later, and the BR still feels broken. The H2 BR was not "overpowered" like everyone likes to say, and your statement that it was "too accurate" is very much exagerated. It was a hitscan weapon that had a consistent bullet spread. This means that it instantly hit it's target without lag or delay, and that each bullet could be skillfully placed. As for it's percieved "power"... If this were true, and it was "too powerful" then why in the world would there be a need for the sniper rifle in MLG? Or how about the mauler? Or rockets? In halo 2 there was sword in MLG, why? Don't know? It's because the BR is a utility weapon. It's like the "renaissance" weapon. It's a jack of all trades, made to be good in every situation, but great in none of those situations.

If you want to test who has better teamwork and aim, without all this "crap" you say. I'll make a game for you, and call it stick wars, your main weapon will be 100% accurate. It will have the same mechanics of the BR, the grenades will "work" because all surfaces in the game world and maps will be flat. There will be power weapons just how you like them, rocket and sniper. This all sounds tot good to be true doesn't it, well, it's not true. I can't make "your" game how "you" like it. You know, with all that money won from tournaments, maybe you can hire some people to make more of a "skill" based game, and leave us other people out of it.

MLG has pondered this, and many people in it's community have vied for this, but the fact remains that no game like this exists to date. Halo 3 is the cream of the crop when it comes to FPS games. It's a wonderfully built combat simulator with nearly full customization of all facets of the game. No other game can compete. We don't want Halo 3 to be changed drastically. The things that are wrong with Halo 3 can mostly be fixed, and that would be lovely in our eyes, but it's not necessary and we know this. This doesn't mean we're not going to ask, or bring it up. That would be blindly accepting the fact that there are faults. That's like blindly following a crowd of people over a bridge instead of stepping out of the crowd because you know what's going to happen.

You take games that companies make and turn them competitive, Halo 2 had the right stuff for you to do that, but it doesn't mean that the sequel will be the same, you should have known Bungie didn't intentionally make the Halo games just for "you", and that they were bound to "fix" the BR in H3.

Halo C.E. was very competitive as well, and when you have a predecessor game that works so well for competition you don't expect the sucessor game to be such a rapid change. This is called consistency in your product, and in most industries it is praised. We don't however expect the exact same game. That would not be smart either. You don't have to change nearly every aspect of the game though. Mortal Kombat went through 4 sucesses before they really changed how the game played. That doesn't mean they were the same games.

If Halo 2 was your type of game for "skill", then so be it. I know Bungie won't change anything for you that will disrupt the balance of Halo 3, so maybe this game just isn't the game you... "wanted".

A lot of MLG's casual community do still play H2 because it promotes the skill of the player more than H3 does, but H3 is what is played in tournaments, and this is the main attraction of MLG competing. So in order to compete and be competitive you must practice. You can't really practice for H3 in H2 it's not the same game. Until a game is created that can offer what Halo 3 does we will continue to play it, and until a game is created that is absolutely perfect people will still complain.

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Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
Posted by: grunge sofa
The fact that you think the way the BR plays/designed is wrong or something is amazing to me. Thats the way the game was made so that should be taken into consideration with playing it.
I am not entirely sure why i am responding to this in the first place, but honestly, THEY ARE NOT GUNNA CHANGE IT.

but please, whine & discuss more.


Ok I've said it enough GTFO! Because what you just said did not help anybody. In fact I feel retarded just for reading it. WE KNOW THAT"S THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED! We are complaining about the fact that it was designed this way. We also know they are not going to change it. We continue, however, so Bungie MAY take these things into consideration when making their next FPS game.

But please continue to belittle us some more because all complainers, like the civil rights movement, deserve to be put down, and criticised just because they're "whining". I know this isn't the same, but use your head. If nobody complained nothing would ever change. So since you've only re-iterated things we already have adressed GTFO!

Umm... did you just compare yourselves complaining about the BR to the Civil Rights movement?


Umm.... Did you just completely fail reading class in school? I specifically qualified what I said by saying "I know it's not the same". I said this for the first idiot to flame me for comparing the two, but here you are trying to ask this question like an idiot. The point of the comparison was to highlight the fact if nobody ever complained about anything then nothing would ever change. The world would stagnate and be boring.

  • 07.12.2008 1:27 AM PDT

"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who."

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.
Incorrect. You always spawned with the M6D in "Slayer Pro". Map had nothing to do with it.

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Posted by: Otis 117
I have only one contention with the br, and thats its seemingly weakened melee. but im sure theres most likely some gameplay reason for this.


The BR's melee has the same power as the other weapons, just weaker bullets. It takes 3 shots (9 bullets) to get the health/shields low enough to kill with the melee. With the AR, for example, it takes only 6 bullets to get the health/shields to the same point. So it has to do with how much health/shields are left for the melee to kill. I think the Brute weapons have stronger melees, however, but not totally positive.


I know the Brute shot and the covie Beam Rifle have a stronger melee, but I've never heard of any specific weapon having a "decreased" or weaker melee.

  • 07.12.2008 3:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
I know the Brute shot and the covie Beam Rifle have a stronger melee, but I've never heard of any specific weapon having a "decreased" or weaker melee.
The brute shot and the spiker have slightly increased melee damage (72 hit points), while everything else is 70 hit points. The beam rifle has the same melee as everything else.

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Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
I know the Brute shot and the covie Beam Rifle have a stronger melee, but I've never heard of any specific weapon having a "decreased" or weaker melee.
The brute shot and the spiker have slightly increased melee damage (72 hit points), while everything else is 70 hit points. The beam rifle has the same melee as everything else.


I'm sorry I was told differently. Thank you for clarifying that though.

  • 07.12.2008 3:39 AM PDT