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Subject: The Only BR Thread

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Can someone please explain to me what is up with the BR? I've noticed all these threads with whiney people on them, but I don't know what they are talking about.

Is it the spread or the leading your shots thing? I don't get it.

  • 07.12.2008 4:19 AM PDT

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Every BR thread I have posted in says that the BR is weak, which it isn't if you use it correctly, and that the AR is more powerful which is stupid. The AR is powerful at certain ranges and if the person with the BR turns around in time and gets a headshot then there is no problem

  • 07.12.2008 6:24 AM PDT
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Every BR thread I have posted in says that the BR is weak, which it isn't if you use it correctly, and that the AR is more powerful which is stupid. The AR is powerful at certain ranges and if the person with the BR turns around in time and gets a headshot then there is no problem

Please read the last 6 pages. We are talking about the spread here. Honestly, don't make a comment unless you know what you are talking about.

  • 07.12.2008 6:46 AM PDT

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Bungie won't read this thread. The only reason Achronos made this is because now they only have to ignore one thread about the BR instead of dozens that are made every day. Out of sight out of mind.

  • 07.12.2008 7:27 AM PDT
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Bungie won't read this thread. The only reason Achronos made this is because now they only have to ignore one thread about the BR instead of dozens that are made every day. Out of sight out of mind.


I disagree. If there is a large community concern about anything, Bungie has a track record of at least listening, and examining the validity of the concern.

That's not to say that they will make massive changes based off of the concern. They do listen though. I think that's obvious with the amount of interaction they have with us (the Bnet community) on the forums and with the weekly updates, etc.

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The BR is a all purpose, higly adaptable weopon. There is absolutly nothing wrong with it and we should not be critisizing it in anyway becuase it is flawless.....Good work with the BR bungie!!!

  • 07.12.2008 10:34 AM PDT
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Personally, I believe that the BR needs a remake. The spread needs to be lowered from .38 to .18. The spread is just too tremendous to be used properly and consistently.

TIGHTEN THE SPREAD

  • 07.12.2008 10:41 AM PDT
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Halo CE > Halo 3 > Halo 2

Fix the Halo 3 BR spread, plz.

THe BR spread should be tighten and all guns ranges should be increased. Halo CE's guns had huge ranges and the gameplay was fast-paced, skillful and fun. All the guns in Halo 3 make the game more focus on CQB and takes a lot out of the game. The BR has like the range of the plasma rifle from Halo CE. It's ridiculous.

  • 07.12.2008 11:34 AM PDT

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hey, we may only be 1% of the halo poppulation that notice the BR spead, but that 1% is what has kept halo so poppular since its release, please bungie do it for us!


Wow...just wow. Go away, please.

Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.

I'm a 100% sure that the majority of people played Pro settings which started you with Pistol-AR on every map.


OHHHH, my mistake. So you played a "Custom Game" version of HCE!! So essentially I could say that the Sniper Rifle or Needler was the starting weapon in HCE since those are also "Custom Game" variants of Slayer. Christ, you kids amaze me some days.

You played HCE mostly off of the default version of Slayer. You didn't spawn with a M6D in HCE unless you were on HEH, Sidewinder, or Blood Gulch. I think it's pretty much flipping hilarious how many people think that HCE had M6D starts. IT DIDN'T!!!

Let's run a hypothetical. If XBL would have been around when HCE launched when you played a game of Team Slayer on HCE you would have got AR starts, Plasma Pistol starts, and *occasionally* a Pistol start on either of the 3 maps I already listed. You NEVER would have had M6D starts on all maps. You can't say that the M6D was the default spawning weapon in HCE because it quite obviously is not.

~B.B.

  • 07.12.2008 12:11 PM PDT

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Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.
Incorrect. You always spawned with the M6D in "Slayer Pro". Map had nothing to do with it.


Incorrect. "Slayer Pro" is a "Custom Games" version of Slayer. It certainly is not Default FFA or Default Team Slayer. Christ you kids cannot be this dense can you? If you play a "Custom Game" version of it, that doesn't make the Default Weapon Spawn the M6D. If that's the case I can say that the default weapon spawn in HCE was the Rocket Launcher, Needler, Sniper, Plasma Rifle, etc.

Map had everything to do with what weapon you spawned with in HCE. You were playing a "Custom Game" variant which allowed you to spawn with whatever weapon you wanted. Just like Team Snipers in HCE would have spawned me with a Sniper rifle even though it isn't the default spawn weapon.

The fact that soooooo many of you cannot understand this fact is flipping embarrassing. I really hope that one more person makes this completely idiotic mistake so I can make fun of them as well and go for the "hat trick".

~B.B.

  • 07.12.2008 12:17 PM PDT

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Are you honestly that retarded? Seriously who the -blam!- played halo CE not on pro? Like LOLOLOLOLOLOL BLOODGULCH WITH PLASMA PISTOL LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Go back and read my post on competetive gaming in this thread and stop posting in it until you can actually say anything that's well thought out and logically sound.


YES!! A 3rd person. My "hat-trick" is complete. You do realize that "Slayer Pro" is a "CUSTOM GAME VARIANT". It is not Default. It was not the way HCE was initially set up. Playing Slayer Pro and saying it was the Default version of HCE is like saying Team Snipers is the Default version of HCE.

Oh, and you didn't spawn on Blood Gulch with a plasma pistol. On that map you actually spawned with the M6D. Nice ad hominem though. Go back to MLGpro.com where brain cells aren't required.

~B.B.

  • 07.12.2008 12:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: HaIo FkN cide
Halo CE was not intially set-up to be played in any particular way Berserker so you can stop with your narrow minded posts.


Yeah, except Bungie themselves have said that the M6D WASN'T the default weapon spawn in HCE. Don't believe me? Listen to the most recent Podcast because they mention it about 3 times.

HCE was set up initially be played in one certain way. It's called DEFAULT. Saying that Slayer Pro is suppose to be how the game was played is like saying Team Snipers is the way it was suppose to be played.

I know that you can't accept that because it goes against everything you've thought about HCE, but sadly it's the truth. I understand it hurts.

~B.B.

  • 07.12.2008 1:04 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

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Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.
Incorrect. You always spawned with the M6D in "Slayer Pro". Map had nothing to do with it.


Incorrect. "Slayer Pro" is a "Custom Games" version of Slayer. It certainly is not Default FFA or Default Team Slayer. Christ you kids cannot be this dense can you? If you play a "Custom Game" version of it, that doesn't make the Default Weapon Spawn the M6D. If that's the case I can say that the default weapon spawn in HCE was the Rocket Launcher, Needler, Sniper, Plasma Rifle, etc.

Map had everything to do with what weapon you spawned with in HCE. You were playing a "Custom Game" variant which allowed you to spawn with whatever weapon you wanted. Just like Team Snipers in HCE would have spawned me with a Sniper rifle even though it isn't the default spawn weapon.

The fact that soooooo many of you cannot understand this fact is flipping embarrassing. I really hope that one more person makes this completely idiotic mistake so I can make fun of them as well and go for the "hat trick".

~B.B.

First of all, I'm not a kid. I was actually 17+ when Halo:CE first came out as a "M" rated game.

Second of all, put in your Halo:CE game and look at the gametypes before you comment. Slayer Pro WAS NOT a "Custom Gametype", and neither was CTF Pro or King Pro. Those were locked default gametypes. However, Team Slayer Pro wasn't a default gametype so it had to be created. So, maybe you are just remembering Team Slayer as not having Pro settings.

I like your confidence, though.

  • 07.12.2008 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
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Posted by: HaIo FkN cide
Do you also realize that default slayer is a CUSTOM GAME VARIANT?

I just looked through some of your past posts and oh my god, I can see the ignorance and hatred for the competitive community


Ignorance of what? The fact that I can understand what the definition of "DEFAULT" is? How incredibly ignorant of me. The fact that I can understand that Bungie has used "bullet spread" to limit other weapons in the past and present and that complaining about the presence of bullet spread on one weapon while not the others is hypocritical and illogical. How incredibly ignorant of me. That I can understand that many people in the "casual" crowd myself included have been supporting Bungie since before HCE was even created so if they should be theoretically pacifying anyone it should be me/us? How incredibly ignorant of me.

I don't "hate" the competitive community. I'm not a bigot. I don't like the attitude and complete illogical behavior of many of the members of the competitive community. I don't like the fact that most of them seem entitled to something because they want it that way. I don't like the fact that if they don't agree with something that they make countless illogical threads/posts about it claiming they know better than everyone else.

That's what I don't like...

~B.B.

  • 07.12.2008 1:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
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Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.
Incorrect. You always spawned with the M6D in "Slayer Pro". Map had nothing to do with it.


Incorrect. "Slayer Pro" is a "Custom Games" version of Slayer. It certainly is not Default FFA or Default Team Slayer. Christ you kids cannot be this dense can you? If you play a "Custom Game" version of it, that doesn't make the Default Weapon Spawn the M6D. If that's the case I can say that the default weapon spawn in HCE was the Rocket Launcher, Needler, Sniper, Plasma Rifle, etc.

Map had everything to do with what weapon you spawned with in HCE. You were playing a "Custom Game" variant which allowed you to spawn with whatever weapon you wanted. Just like Team Snipers in HCE would have spawned me with a Sniper rifle even though it isn't the default spawn weapon.

The fact that soooooo many of you cannot understand this fact is flipping embarrassing. I really hope that one more person makes this completely idiotic mistake so I can make fun of them as well and go for the "hat trick".

~B.B.

First of all, I'm not a kid. I was actually 17+ when Halo:CE first came out as a "M" rated game.

Second of all, put in your Halo:CE game and look at the gametypes before you comment. Slayer Pro WAS NOT a "Custom Gametype", and neither was CTF Pro or King Pro. Those were locked default gametypes. However, Team Slayer Pro wasn't a default gametype so it had to be created. So, maybe you are just remembering Team Slayer as not having Pro settings.

I like your confidence, though.


Okay, pop in your HCE, H2, or H3 disk and see how many PRE-MADE custom game types there are already provided. It doesn't change the fact that they are STILL CUSTOM GAMETYPES. So if Team Snipers would have been a "locked gametype" would that have made the default spawn weapon the Sniper Rifle?

I doubt it.

I hate to say this since it will seem a bit childish but....I'm right and you're wrong.

~B.B.

  • 07.12.2008 1:14 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

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Oh, and in HCE you only spawned with the M6D on certain maps, not on all of them. I'm 99% sure you spawned with a plasma pistol on Prisoner for example.

~B.B.
Incorrect. You always spawned with the M6D in "Slayer Pro". Map had nothing to do with it.



Incorrect. "Slayer Pro" is a "Custom Games" version of Slayer. It certainly is not Default FFA or Default Team Slayer. Christ you kids cannot be this dense can you? If you play a "Custom Game" version of it, that doesn't make the Default Weapon Spawn the M6D. If that's the case I can say that the default weapon spawn in HCE was the Rocket Launcher, Needler, Sniper, Plasma Rifle, etc.

Map had everything to do with what weapon you spawned with in HCE. You were playing a "Custom Game" variant which allowed you to spawn with whatever weapon you wanted. Just like Team Snipers in HCE would have spawned me with a Sniper rifle even though it isn't the default spawn weapon.

The fact that soooooo many of you cannot understand this fact is flipping embarrassing. I really hope that one more person makes this completely idiotic mistake so I can make fun of them as well and go for the "hat trick".

~B.B.

First of all, I'm not a kid. I was actually 17+ when Halo:CE first came out as a "M" rated game.

Second of all, put in your Halo:CE game and look at the gametypes before you comment. Slayer Pro WAS NOT a "Custom Gametype", and neither was CTF Pro or King Pro. Those were locked default gametypes. However, Team Slayer Pro wasn't a default gametype so it had to be created. So, maybe you are just remembering Team Slayer as not having Pro settings.

I like your confidence, though.


Okay, pop in your HCE, H2, or H3 disk and see how many PRE-MADE custom game types there are already provided. It doesn't change the fact that they are STILL CUSTOM GAMETYPES. So if Team Snipers would have been a "locked gametype" would that have made the default spawn weapon the Sniper Rifle?

I doubt it.

I hate to say this since it will seem a bit childish but....I'm right and you're wrong.

~B.B.

I'm not going to argue who is right or wrong, because I can tell you don't listen to anybody but yourself.

Pro settings were played the most and were provided with the game, so sorry if you only played the normal Slayer because you probably didn't have as much fun.

  • 07.12.2008 1:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
I'm not going to argue who is right or wrong, because I can tell you don't listen to anybody but yourself.

Pro settings were played the most and were provided with the game, so sorry if you only played the normal Slayer because you probably didn't have as much fun.


I played Pro Settings most of the time. I just realize that wasn't how HCE was initially set up. If you really don't think I'm right, go play HCE start up a game of MP WITHOUT changing anything and see what gametype you play with Default or Slayer Pro.

It's Default BTW so you don't actually take the time. And I love the assumption that Pro settings were played the most. Where on Earth did you find the means to take a representative poll of the HCE population in order to come to that conclusion. That, or you just pulled it out of your ass. I'm thinking you did the latter.

And I listen to people all the time. However, only when they aren't spouting off illogical crap. Saying that HCE started you with the M6D outside of a few levels is wrong. It did if you switched it to a "custom gametype" that made you spawn with the M6D every time. It's the same logic with spawning with all sniper rifles during a Team Sniper game.

If you cannot accept how plainly obvious that is...maybe it's you who cannot listen to anyone else.

~B.B.

  • 07.12.2008 1:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
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Posted by: HaIo FkN cide
Achronos has stated himself that there is no "right" way to play Halo 3. I am positive that the same goes for Halo 1 or Halo 2. Just because you enjoyed default slayer like some many others (myself included) DOES NOT mean that was the right way to play Halo CE.

BTW I love the condescending tone in your posts. You don't have more knowledge than anyone else here.


For the love of god, stop using strawmen.

I didn't say that "Default" was the so-called right way to play Halo. I didn't say that "Slayer Pro" was the right way to play Halo. I was pointing out that HCE initially was setup so that you didn't spawn with the M6D except for on a few levels. To say that HCE was such a "pro" game because you spawned with the M6D is wrong. You didn't always spawn with the M6D unless you were playing a specialized CUSTOM gametype called Slayer Pro. I was also pointing out that the way HCE was initially set up the game PHYSICALLY PUNISHED better players with the "kill-penalty". Yet, HCE is still this competitive game? Not initially. It wasn't until the custom gametype "Team Slayer Pro" was created and used that it was this so-called "competitive game" that the competitive community is trying to make it out to be.

So even from the very beginning of the Halo series the game was by default made to start you off with a weapon incapable of getting headshots, and PHYSICALLY PUNISHING better players. It wasn't until others started using a different custom gametype like Slayer Pro that HCE became the so-called pinnacle of competitive console FPS.

And guess what...not much has changed in the 2 games that come after it. The way the game is initially set up spawn people with a general weapon (one not capable of headshots) and it often times does certain things to balance the 'good players' and the 'bad players'.

~B.B.

  • 07.12.2008 2:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: HaIo FkN cide
And this makes your arguement null and void. The "Pro" gametypes came as default settings in Halo CE. So, to your logic, that makes them default custom games too.


Actually, no it doesn't. And it's sad that you can't read to understand so I'll reiterate. Go play HCE again. Start up a MP game and don't change the gametype. What gametype do you start with? Default. Right. Thanks. Good-day.

Default is the way the game was initially set up. Slayer Pro is the equivalent of Team Snipers or Team Needlers or Team Rockets.

I cannot believe this discussion is still on this point when you are obviously wrong.

~B.B.

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I think the BR is the one of the best guns to actualy use it can get u out of a tight situation, it has long range to, like if someone charges u with and AR the BR is going to win.

  • 07.12.2008 2:30 PM PDT
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BR IS BROKEN

Lower the spread by HALF
Randomness is no substitute

  • 07.12.2008 3:19 PM PDT