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Posted by: Shakespeare212
Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
I'm not ignoring the 100% accurate range. In fact I've said many times that the range at which it is 100% accurate is refered to as "close" range. Whereas it was intended/designed to be 100% consistent, not necessarily accurate that is up to the player, but consistent at twice the distance it is right now or "medium" range. If you'd like I will compile some data to back up my claims in this department. It will take me a couple days to dig it all up though. I come back to work on Thursday night at 11 P.M. and I work through sun. I say this because I only have interenet at work. When I get back to work Thursday I'll start compiling everything.
I understand what you're saying in that the BR is not performing how Bungie designed it. The evidence, however, is hardly what anyone with experience in statistics would call scientific. But the point you keep ignoring is that it doesn't matter one way or the other - it's irrelevant as long as a player can make strategic designs about using the effective (100% accurate) range to your advantage or engaging at extended range without backup. If you want to keep pushing this point, you have to address the fact that just because that certain conditions can sometimes occur within a game that introduce an element or randomness, DOES NOT MEAN THE GAME IS NO LONGER FAIR OR THAT IT'S BEEN REDUCED TO LUCK ONLY. If you can't address that issue, how then does your point hold water?
Arguably, meaning this is based on opinion, the majority of the "hardcore" gamers crowd IS more into competition. In fact if I were to take a stab at numbers (randomly picked out of my ass, but based on years and years of gaming experience), I would say that out of the "hardcore" gamers 75% of them either are interested enough to watch or play in competitive gaming. Only about 25% (or lower) play games just to play games. I doubt these numbers are very far from reality, and I wouldn't exactly call that "unimportant in the grand scheme of things". I would also be careful of generalizations if I were you.
Yup. That's exactly right...that's an opinion and random statistics, and a sweeping generalization.
1) BR is/was designed to be a mid range weapon.
So what? Doesn't mean Halo 3 is based solely on luck per the above.
2) BR is not performing consistently at this range, and in fact is only consistent at close range
Again, so what? Also, the "tests" performed by Dan Bauer and his ilk are hardly credible statistical evidence.
3) This inconsistency does not promote competition, and leans more towards luck than skill.
How, in light of the fact that there is also an element of strategy involved in every gun battle in Halo 3? The only circumstance in which the above statement could be true is if both players are standing still, have sights trained on each other heads, never move and shoot precisely at the same time.
If the BR was only supposed to be effective at short range you are correct, but my argument is based on the fact that Bungie themselves have said that the BR is a "medium-range" weapon. Which it should be by all means(opinion). Since it is a medium range weapon I think it should perform as one, it does not perform as a medium range weapon at this time. You're right though I could use it only at close range, which would take away the randomness, but it would also 1) be pointless since there are more powerful/appropriate weapons to use at close range 2) make the BR useless since it is supposed to be a medium range weapon. Since 99% of the BR users out there use the BR at the intended medium range, this is the range I'm talking about when I say the BR does not perform as intended, and trends more towards luck than skill at this range.
"Yup. That's exactly right...that's an opinion and random statistics, and a sweeping generalization."
I'd just like to know what part of, "years of gaming experience", you don't seem to understand. They're not random, they may not be accurate, but I'm pretty sure that they're accurate within a + or - of 10%. That's a wide margin, but this is solely based on experience. I don't really know what part of it is a "sweeping generalization" though. With your logic though you're just as equally wrong as I am. So let's drop it untill some data can be presented.
As for the rest of it see the above, it's all covered.
One quick edit though...I really don't think your personal opinion of dan, or anybody else who's obviously done their homework has anything to do with the credibility of the video in question. It's not modded, it's not altered in any way shape or form. If i had a capture card, -blam!- if I had a 360 in the first place I would gladly go recreate these happenings. He's not trying to show how many times out of 100 this happens, just that it does happen. With that in mind go watch the video, it does provide some insight into the inefficiency of the BR.
[Edited on 07.13.2008 11:15 PM PDT]