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Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
You still stick to your guns, even with glaring evidence in front of you that these things are not based on opinion, but instead based on fact. You still wish to condescend, and belittle me, and dismiss my posts as pure conjecture that I've appearently pulled out of my ass? You're not only more arrogant than I thought you're a downright -blam!-.


Glaring evidence? You think those videos by DanBauer are either credible or glaring evidence? Wow. That's sad. I stopped listening to Dan years ago when he started regurgitating MLG's opinion instead of his own. It's little wonder he got shown to be the clown that he is and pretty much the majority of the Halo community now knows him for it.

The Assault Rifle is listed as a close to medium range weapon. Why aren't you complaining that it isn't completely effective "from half way across Foundry"? Because you don't care that it's range is limited by bullet spread. Just the BRs.

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The Assault Rifle is listed as a close to medium range weapon. Why aren't you complaining that it isn't completely effective "from half way across Foundry"? Because you don't care that it's range is limited by bullet spread. Just the BRs.

Actually I'll admit you have a good point but the one thing you are forgetting is that at the AR's MOST effective range which is Close-range, it is so strong.

With the BR, it's MOST effective range is Mid-range but it is terrible from there.

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Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
You still stick to your guns, even with glaring evidence in front of you that these things are not based on opinion, but instead based on fact. You still wish to condescend, and belittle me, and dismiss my posts as pure conjecture that I've appearently pulled out of my ass? You're not only more arrogant than I thought you're a downright -blam!-.


Glaring evidence? You think those videos by DanBauer are either credible or glaring evidence? Wow. That's sad. I stopped listening to Dan years ago when he started regurgitating MLG's opinion instead of his own. It's little wonder he got shown to be the clown that he is and pretty much the majority of the Halo community now knows him for it.

The Assault Rifle is listed as a close to medium range weapon. Why aren't you complaining that it isn't completely effective "from half way across Foundry"? Because you don't care that it's range is limited by bullet spread. Just the BRs.

~B.B.


The evidence is there, how much credibility you give it is up to you, but that doesn't mean it isn't real.

The Assault Rifle, as I've stated, is not a precision weapon. This is why it would be pointless to complain about a bullet spread that is exactly the way it is supposed to be. The BR is a precision weapon listed as a medium range weapon, not close to medium. It even has a scope d-bag. It's intended to be accurate, whereas the AR is not. The AR can hit the head at these distances, but because it was not built for precision in most cases it will not. The BR was built exactly to hit the head at these distances, and should do it consistently. You think so highly of yourself, and it's starting to get annoying. Pay attention this time please. Stop reiterating yourself, and listen to what I'm saying. These things are not opinion.

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Posted by: RagingWithFear
The Assault Rifle is listed as a close to medium range weapon. Why aren't you complaining that it isn't completely effective "from half way across Foundry"? Because you don't care that it's range is limited by bullet spread. Just the BRs.

Actually I'll admit you have a good point but the one thing you are forgetting is that at the AR's MOST effective range which is Close-range, it is so strong.

With the BR, it's MOST effective range is Mid-range but it is terrible from there.


Also a fully automatic weapon is not built for precision aiming, but that's not going to stop him from making completely irrelevant posts.

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The Assault Rifle is listed as a close to medium range weapon. Why aren't you complaining that it isn't completely effective "from half way across Foundry"? Because you don't care that it's range is limited by bullet spread. Just the BRs.

Actually I'll admit you have a good point but the one thing you are forgetting is that at the AR's MOST effective range which is Close-range, it is so strong.

With the BR, it's MOST effective range is Mid-range but it is terrible from there.


Really? It's terrible? How many other weapons beat it at "mid-range"? Unless you have someone that is either really good with a carbine or sniper, the BR is far from "terrible" at "mid-range".

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Sorry, I'm talking about BR vs BR - Incase you didn't know that's what this whole BR debate is about.

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Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
The evidence is there, how much credibility you give it is up to you, but that doesn't mean it isn't real.


No, it just means that DanBauer doesn't know what he's talking about AGAIN. Ask him about his host record and why that might be giving him some problems he likes to blame on Bungie.

The Assault Rifle, as I've stated, is not a precision weapon. This is why it would be pointless to complain about a bullet spread that is exactly the way it is supposed to be.

Oh no no no. Not a 'realism' argument ESPECIALLY coming from you! I thought you were the one railing about how 'realism' isn't important in Halo. The Battle Rifle is a burst-fire weapon, it isn't suppose to be 100% accurate because of it's very nature and having bullet spread is how it is suppose to be.

The BR is a precision weapon listed as a medium range weapon, not close to medium. It even has a scope d-bag. It's intended to be accurate, whereas the AR is not.

I'd suggest you drop the childish name-calling or you won't be around to participate in this discussion for much longer. The BR is intended to be accurate; however it is not intended to be completely accurate. It is intended to work at a "medium" distance and kill in either 4 or 5 bursts. If you are closer than medium distance it can kill consistently with 4 bursts if all are aimed correctly. The AR can actually be fairly accurate at increased distances, you just have to pulse the trigger. Again, you're still using a 'realism' argument. I thought you said those were bad.

The AR can hit the head at these distances, but because it was not built for precision in most cases it will not. The BR was built exactly to hit the head at these distances, and should do it consistently. You think so highly of yourself, and it's starting to get annoying. Pay attention this time please. Stop reiterating yourself, and listen to what I'm saying. These things are not opinion.

They certainly are opinions. And I keep reiterating myself because you keep failing to understand. You say realism shouldn't matter in Halo and then say that the AR should have a bullet spread. That's so incredibly wrong it's amazing. And I think so highly of myself because I'm right.

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Posted by: RagingWithFear
Sorry, I'm talking about BR vs BR - Incase you didn't know that's what this whole BR debate is about.


So you're trying to tell me that the weapon somehow becomes "terrible" when used against itself? I'm trying to grasp how that makes any kind of sense since if the BR was terrible, how would it be beating you in BR vs. BR battles?

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The BR is intended to be accurate; however it is not intended to be completely accurate. It is intended to work at a "medium" distance and kill in either 4 or 5 bursts. If you are closer than medium distance it can kill consistently with 4 bursts if all are aimed correctly.

Apparently that is not the case, look at video tests, matchmaking and custom games, the BR tends not to kill consistently if aimed correctly. The real question I ask though is what is "Aiming Correctly"?

Technically you can't aim "correctly" because the BR is random and don't even get started, there is so much proof that the BR is random and the equations are even done out for the randomness of the BR.

But, HOW CAN YOU AIM A RANDOM WEAPON CORRECTLY?

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remove the randomness, this is a video game not real life, the physics in video games need to be constant. realism is for reality.

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I'm not ignoring the 100% accurate range. In fact I've said many times that the range at which it is 100% accurate is refered to as "close" range. Whereas it was intended/designed to be 100% consistent, not necessarily accurate that is up to the player, but consistent at twice the distance it is right now or "medium" range. If you'd like I will compile some data to back up my claims in this department. It will take me a couple days to dig it all up though. I come back to work on Thursday night at 11 P.M. and I work through sun. I say this because I only have interenet at work. When I get back to work Thursday I'll start compiling everything.


I understand what you're saying in that the BR is not performing how Bungie designed it. The evidence, however, is hardly what anyone with experience in statistics would call scientific. But the point you keep ignoring is that it doesn't matter one way or the other - it's irrelevant as long as a player can make strategic designs about using the effective (100% accurate) range to your advantage or engaging at extended range without backup. If you want to keep pushing this point, you have to address the fact that just because that certain conditions can sometimes occur within a game that introduce an element or randomness, DOES NOT MEAN THE GAME IS NO LONGER FAIR OR THAT IT'S BEEN REDUCED TO LUCK ONLY. If you can't address that issue, how then does your point hold water?


Arguably, meaning this is based on opinion, the majority of the "hardcore" gamers crowd IS more into competition. In fact if I were to take a stab at numbers (randomly picked out of my ass, but based on years and years of gaming experience), I would say that out of the "hardcore" gamers 75% of them either are interested enough to watch or play in competitive gaming. Only about 25% (or lower) play games just to play games. I doubt these numbers are very far from reality, and I wouldn't exactly call that "unimportant in the grand scheme of things". I would also be careful of generalizations if I were you.


Yup. That's exactly right...that's an opinion and random statistics, and a sweeping generalization.


1) BR is/was designed to be a mid range weapon.


So what? Doesn't mean Halo 3 is based solely on luck per the above.


2) BR is not performing consistently at this range, and in fact is only consistent at close range


Again, so what? Also, the "tests" performed by Dan Bauer and his ilk are hardly credible statistical evidence.


3) This inconsistency does not promote competition, and leans more towards luck than skill.


How, in light of the fact that there is also an element of strategy involved in every gun battle in Halo 3? The only circumstance in which the above statement could be true is if both players are standing still, have sights trained on each other heads, never move and shoot precisely at the same time.

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
The evidence is there, how much credibility you give it is up to you, but that doesn't mean it isn't real.


No, it just means that DanBauer doesn't know what he's talking about AGAIN. Ask him about his host record and why that might be giving him some problems he likes to blame on Bungie.

The Assault Rifle, as I've stated, is not a precision weapon. This is why it would be pointless to complain about a bullet spread that is exactly the way it is supposed to be.

Oh no no no. Not a 'realism' argument ESPECIALLY coming from you! I thought you were the one railing about how 'realism' isn't important in Halo. The Battle Rifle is a burst-fire weapon, it isn't suppose to be 100% accurate because of it's very nature and having bullet spread is how it is suppose to be.

The BR is a precision weapon listed as a medium range weapon, not close to medium. It even has a scope d-bag. It's intended to be accurate, whereas the AR is not.

I'd suggest you drop the childish name-calling or you won't be around to participate in this discussion for much longer. The BR is intended to be accurate; however it is not intended to be completely accurate. It is intended to work at a "medium" distance and kill in either 4 or 5 bursts. If you are closer than medium distance it can kill consistently with 4 bursts if all are aimed correctly. The AR can actually be fairly accurate at increased distances, you just have to pulse the trigger. Again, you're still using a 'realism' argument. I thought you said those were bad.

The AR can hit the head at these distances, but because it was not built for precision in most cases it will not. The BR was built exactly to hit the head at these distances, and should do it consistently. You think so highly of yourself, and it's starting to get annoying. Pay attention this time please. Stop reiterating yourself, and listen to what I'm saying. These things are not opinion.

They certainly are opinions. And I keep reiterating myself because you keep failing to understand. You say realism shouldn't matter in Halo and then say that the AR should have a bullet spread. That's so incredibly wrong it's amazing. And I think so highly of myself because I'm right.

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Where shall we start....Your opinion of Dan as a person has nothing to do with the evidence that exists in that video. His personality, and attitude do not influence, in any way, what happened in that video.

I have NEVER railed against or for realism in this game. In some cases it is used, in some it is not that is just how the game plays. What I'm refering to is how the weapons are designed. The AR never was designed to be able to place an accurate headshot on your opponent. The BR was designed for this very purpose. Nobody want's it to be 100% accurate, we just want the bullet spread to be 100% consistent, but we've been over this haven't we?

And if you want me to drop the childish names then stop acting like a child. You've done nothing but try to piss me off, for obvious reasons, that is why I haven't posted in a good while. I needed to cool off. Your childis tactics to win this aren't going to work. You're not going to discredit me by getting me to loose my cool again. The BR is, and was intended to be accurate, at the very least, with a 5 shot burst at medium range, not partially accurate, completely accurate. This is how bungie designed the weapon. They've even said the BR is a "medium range weapon". Never have they said it's a close range weapon with good accuracy at medium range. I'm not using a realism argument, I'm arguing that this is how the game was designed to play, and yet it does not play in this manner.

When I say "these things are not opinion" I'm talking about the way the game was designed to perform as opposed to how it does perform, or at the very least.... The way bungie has explained the game should perform, as opposed to how it does perform. These are not my opinion they are fact, backed by evidence. Again I've NEVER talked about realism in this or any other thread, realism=/=Halo. I'm talking about the way the weapons were inteded to perform as per design. That has always been my argument. And you think highly of yourself because you think you're right. There's a difference.

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Posted by: RagingWithFear
The BR is intended to be accurate; however it is not intended to be completely accurate. It is intended to work at a "medium" distance and kill in either 4 or 5 bursts. If you are closer than medium distance it can kill consistently with 4 bursts if all are aimed correctly.

Apparently that is not the case, look at video tests, matchmaking and custom games, the BR tends not to kill consistently if aimed correctly. The real question I ask though is what is "Aiming Correctly"?

Technically you can't aim "correctly" because the BR is random and don't even get started, there is so much proof that the BR is random and the equations are even done out for the randomness of the BR.

But, HOW CAN YOU AIM A RANDOM WEAPON CORRECTLY?


This is the greatest way to sum up the anti-br side of this debate... "HOW CAN YOU AIM A RANDOM WEAPON CORRECTLY?"

  • 07.13.2008 10:54 PM PDT

"Were it so easy..."

The way I see it, the BR isn't even the best weapon that takes the most skill to use, it isn't even the most used weapon, it is a good all around weapon, and personally I feel that the Carbine is a better weapon for more skilled players anyway, the BR takes 4 bursts to kill, the carbine takes seven shots, now it is alot faster to make 7 shots with a carbine than 4 bursts with a BR, but it is also alot harder to hit all 7 of those shots, especially considering the BR's 3 round burst means better chance of hitting, so honestly the BR balances well with the carbine in that respect.

And in regards bungie posted how the br works, it is not random, the 1st shot is actually almost perfect, the 2nd shot being slightly less accurate, and the 3rd shot being the most inaccurate, this REALISTICALLY MAKES SENCE, also, the bullets do have a travel time, so, in truth, a player can 4 - 5 shot a person at medium range easily so long as they aim slightly ahead of where the player is moving, which all of you anti BR people would know if you read the little text box that shows you hints when your waiting for a game in matchmaking.

And besides other than melee and ar, the br is the weapon that attains most kills in the whole game, if it were always the starter weapon, than it would probably over double any other, this statistic is also in part because of the commonality of the BR, being probably the most common weapon people actually use overall throughout the maps thus BR = good

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The Assault Rifle is listed as a close to medium range weapon. Why aren't you complaining that it isn't completely effective "from half way across Foundry"? Because you don't care that it's range is limited by bullet spread. Just the BRs.

Actually I'll admit you have a good point but the one thing you are forgetting is that at the AR's MOST effective range which is Close-range, it is so strong.

With the BR, it's MOST effective range is Mid-range but it is terrible from there.


Really? It's terrible? How many other weapons beat it at "mid-range"? Unless you have someone that is either really good with a carbine or sniper, the BR is far from "terrible" at "mid-range".

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Well the rockets obviously beat the BR, but let's use your examples instead. The covenant carbine is the only weapon in Halo3, other than the BR of course, that is classified as a "medium-range" weapon. Not close to medium like the AR, just straight up medium. The sniper/beam rifles are long range weapons, so obviously at medium to long range sniper>BR. So what point is it you're trying to make here. The BR performs very poorly inside it's intended range of use. What is so hard to understand about that?

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I'm not ignoring the 100% accurate range. In fact I've said many times that the range at which it is 100% accurate is refered to as "close" range. Whereas it was intended/designed to be 100% consistent, not necessarily accurate that is up to the player, but consistent at twice the distance it is right now or "medium" range. If you'd like I will compile some data to back up my claims in this department. It will take me a couple days to dig it all up though. I come back to work on Thursday night at 11 P.M. and I work through sun. I say this because I only have interenet at work. When I get back to work Thursday I'll start compiling everything.


I understand what you're saying in that the BR is not performing how Bungie designed it. The evidence, however, is hardly what anyone with experience in statistics would call scientific. But the point you keep ignoring is that it doesn't matter one way or the other - it's irrelevant as long as a player can make strategic designs about using the effective (100% accurate) range to your advantage or engaging at extended range without backup. If you want to keep pushing this point, you have to address the fact that just because that certain conditions can sometimes occur within a game that introduce an element or randomness, DOES NOT MEAN THE GAME IS NO LONGER FAIR OR THAT IT'S BEEN REDUCED TO LUCK ONLY. If you can't address that issue, how then does your point hold water?


Arguably, meaning this is based on opinion, the majority of the "hardcore" gamers crowd IS more into competition. In fact if I were to take a stab at numbers (randomly picked out of my ass, but based on years and years of gaming experience), I would say that out of the "hardcore" gamers 75% of them either are interested enough to watch or play in competitive gaming. Only about 25% (or lower) play games just to play games. I doubt these numbers are very far from reality, and I wouldn't exactly call that "unimportant in the grand scheme of things". I would also be careful of generalizations if I were you.


Yup. That's exactly right...that's an opinion and random statistics, and a sweeping generalization.


1) BR is/was designed to be a mid range weapon.


So what? Doesn't mean Halo 3 is based solely on luck per the above.


2) BR is not performing consistently at this range, and in fact is only consistent at close range


Again, so what? Also, the "tests" performed by Dan Bauer and his ilk are hardly credible statistical evidence.


3) This inconsistency does not promote competition, and leans more towards luck than skill.


How, in light of the fact that there is also an element of strategy involved in every gun battle in Halo 3? The only circumstance in which the above statement could be true is if both players are standing still, have sights trained on each other heads, never move and shoot precisely at the same time.


If the BR was only supposed to be effective at short range you are correct, but my argument is based on the fact that Bungie themselves have said that the BR is a "medium-range" weapon. Which it should be by all means(opinion). Since it is a medium range weapon I think it should perform as one, it does not perform as a medium range weapon at this time. You're right though I could use it only at close range, which would take away the randomness, but it would also 1) be pointless since there are more powerful/appropriate weapons to use at close range 2) make the BR useless since it is supposed to be a medium range weapon. Since 99% of the BR users out there use the BR at the intended medium range, this is the range I'm talking about when I say the BR does not perform as intended, and trends more towards luck than skill at this range.

"Yup. That's exactly right...that's an opinion and random statistics, and a sweeping generalization."


I'd just like to know what part of, "years of gaming experience", you don't seem to understand. They're not random, they may not be accurate, but I'm pretty sure that they're accurate within a + or - of 10%. That's a wide margin, but this is solely based on experience. I don't really know what part of it is a "sweeping generalization" though. With your logic though you're just as equally wrong as I am. So let's drop it untill some data can be presented.

As for the rest of it see the above, it's all covered.

One quick edit though...I really don't think your personal opinion of dan, or anybody else who's obviously done their homework has anything to do with the credibility of the video in question. It's not modded, it's not altered in any way shape or form. If i had a capture card, -blam!- if I had a 360 in the first place I would gladly go recreate these happenings. He's not trying to show how many times out of 100 this happens, just that it does happen. With that in mind go watch the video, it does provide some insight into the inefficiency of the BR.

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The way I see it, the BR isn't even the best weapon that takes the most skill to use, it isn't even the most used weapon, it is a good all around weapon, and personally I feel that the Carbine is a better weapon for more skilled players anyway, the BR takes 4 bursts to kill, the carbine takes seven shots, now it is alot faster to make 7 shots with a carbine than 4 bursts with a BR, but it is also alot harder to hit all 7 of those shots, especially considering the BR's 3 round burst means better chance of hitting, so honestly the BR balances well with the carbine in that respect.


Carbine=more accurate, You're right. However it is not the weapon we're talking about.

And in regards bungie posted how the br works, it is not random, the 1st shot is actually almost perfect, the 2nd shot being slightly less accurate, and the 3rd shot being the most inaccurate, this REALISTICALLY MAKES SENCE, also, the bullets do have a travel time, so, in truth, a player can 4 - 5 shot a person at medium range easily so long as they aim slightly ahead of where the player is moving, which all of you anti BR people would know if you read the little text box that shows you hints when your waiting for a game in matchmaking.

Not just inaccurate, the bullets are randomly spread. In this way that 3rd bullet will have a tendency, even within the BR's effective range, to not hit the target. Realistically you're correct it does make sense, but we're not arguing about weather or not this should be realistic, take that argument somewhere else. We're arguing about weather or not the BR is working the way it should work, and since it's not effective the way it should be, within ranges it is supposed to work in it is not working correctly. As far as your comment about leading your shots please see this video for that blatant lie that bungie refuses to take off of that screen. I'm all for leading shots. Include it all you want, but at least don't lie to us about it.


And besides other than melee and ar, the br is the weapon that attains most kills in the whole game, if it were always the starter weapon, than it would probably over double any other, this statistic is also in part because of the commonality of the BR, being probably the most common weapon people actually use overall throughout the maps thus BR = good

You're exactly right again BR=good. I'm not contending that statement. All I'm saying is the BR is not working the way it was designed to work. Which contradicts what has been said, I know, but if you read some of the recent posts you'd understand.

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Is a great example of what I'm talking about. when it comes to casual vs. hardcore, and what portion of the marketplace they make up. Now as to what portion of hardcore gamers are "competitive" gamers I'm still looking.

Wikipedia even considers those of us who play online to be competitve gamers, so by this definition, not only is Halo 3 entirely intended to be competitive, but the competitive gaming community makes up at least 75% of the gaming community as a whole. With these two articles, one can logically draw the conclusion that "hardcore" gamers and "competitive" gamers made the gaming industry what it is today, and without them there would probably be no Halo 3.


I'm sure you're now going to get even more technical and talk about how these gaming leagues are the competitive gamers you're talking about. Well not every competitive gamer wants to join a league, but nearly every gamer that plays online does so to compete in some fashion.

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I love the BR, I can barely get kills without a Br in hand, you can see why it's my tool of destruction.
I don't have a problem with it, and I don't mind the spread.
Hey, with the spread you can get more heads on SWAT!



We shouldn't be complaining about the the BR, but about the AR.
Now, you can lunge with it and it shoots almost as long as the Br at times.

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I love the BR, I can barely get kills without a Br in hand, you can see why it's my tool of destruction.
I don't have a problem with it, and I don't mind the spread.
Hey, with the spread you can get more heads on SWAT!



We shouldn't be complaining about the the BR, but about the AR.
Now, you can lunge with it and it shoots almost as long as the Br at times.


That's cool. I'm glad you like the BR. I do to. We're not talking about opinions though. We're talking about the random spread that was included in the game cannot be prepared for, and in a situation where one needs to kill his opponent as quickly as possible it's imperitive that you know what is coming. You don't want to walk into a situation where you get killed because your bullet just happened to miss your opponents head based on a random number chosen by a computer.

  • 07.13.2008 11:57 PM PDT

MAsHPoTT!

I don't see why people complain about the BR, yeah in halo 2 it was WAAAY overpowered but now it's more balanced with the AR and is more difficult to use at close range. The BR has it's strengths and weaknesses I mean I suck with a BR i can't 4 shot that often but I'm not gonna sit here and complain about something stupid when I could be playing halo 3 =D

seriously the people who are complaining about the BR just stop complaining and accept the fact bungie has control and will just sit there laughing at people complaining and acting all smug in there recon armour.

oh btw can I haz recon plix? XD

  • 07.14.2008 3:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: MAsH Potato L0L
I don't see why people complain about the BR, yeah in halo 2 it was WAAAY overpowered but now it's more balanced with the AR and is more difficult to use at close range. The BR has it's strengths and weaknesses I mean I suck with a BR i can't 4 shot that often but I'm not gonna sit here and complain about something stupid when I could be playing halo 3 =D

seriously the people who are complaining about the BR just stop complaining and accept the fact bungie has control and will just sit there laughing at people complaining and acting all smug in there recon armour.

oh btw can I haz recon plix? XD


I'm still not sure why people thing the BR in Halo 2 was "overpowered". The AR and BR have different strengths and were designed for two different purposes, so comparing the two is like comparing dish soap to laundry soap.

Yes, for the most part we have accepted that no update will be issued for Halo 3, The only thing I would appreciate is the next game to be designed slightly different.

Nobody here is getting BLAM!

  • 07.14.2008 3:38 AM PDT
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My fav weapon. Now it actually has physics applied to it. har har

  • 07.14.2008 7:01 AM PDT

I beat down a Scarab.

Change the BR, back....

  • 07.14.2008 7:25 AM PDT

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  • 07.14.2008 8:50 AM PDT