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I like the br, its awesome.

  • 08.03.2008 2:31 AM PDT

Posted by: BiH eXILE
OK first of all, many of you saying that the BR doesn't need changing, DONT EVEN USE THE BR.
All of you major grade 3's who have their tool of destruction as an AR. But for people who play this game competitively, The BR matters.


But I'm a Major Grade 3 and I love the BR >:'(

  • 08.03.2008 4:08 AM PDT
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People can't change to the Battle Rifle, so they want the Battle Rifle to change to suit them.
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Posted by: TehAttak
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Anybody, and I repeat ANYBODY, who is bringing 'realism' into their argument against the BR being changed is a fool. There is absolutely NOTHING realistic about Halo. Giant apes running around with their own type of guns are not realistic, a 7 foot tall super soldier flipping 5 ton tanks is not realistic, and big glowing blue grenades that stick to people are not realistic.

So the fact that the spread on the BR may or may not be 'realistic' means nothing at all. Maybe in a game like Call of Duty or Battlefield it would, but in the Halo universe, it does not.


Thank you.

While there are some elements of realism present in H3, it by no means is a simulation of real life.

Further: please find the recoil on an M16A2. I find it to be <.001º. That would put down a three-round grouping spread of about seven inches at two hundred yards (600'). While the BR shouldn't be that accurate, it seems insane to have the BR's grouping spread be about six inches in as short as 24 yards (72 feet at .38º). How on earth is that realistic? You tell me.

The BR's grouping you keep bringing up is the maximum error possible, so It will usually do a lot better than that. I just have to disagreee that you want the BR to 4-shot consistantly at the end of its red range. the points you bring up are that every other weapon except the Shotgun weapons can get a kill with maximum efficiency at the end of red range. with the BR, it is very possible to get a 4sk at the end of the red range, but of course not consistently. nor can you consistenly get this result with any other weapon, except for precision weapons. of course, you can't consistently 16-shot with an AR, or 23 (or however many bullets it takes, something around there) shot with a SMG at it's maximum red range consistently. so it doesn't make sense for the BR to have this capability.

[Edited on 08.03.2008 7:12 AM PDT]

  • 08.03.2008 7:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: BiH eXILE
OK first of all, many of you saying that the BR doesn't need changing, DONT EVEN USE THE BR.
All of you major grade 3's who have their tool of destruction as an AR. But for people who play this game competitively, The BR matters, everyone is so good with the weapon that when it comes to 1v1 BR battles, it becomes random and anyone can win the battle depending on who had the better random spread. So all were asking (MLG) is that you just tighten the spread of the BR, so it can be more of a consistent weapon. If you can't do it for the whole game, at least make the spread tighter for MLG Playlists and MLG Customs. So, everybody can be happy. One more thing, more than half these people need to go to school to learn some grammar and sentence structuring. Bungie you probably don't care what I have to say, I mean I'm only part of the MLG Community.


Dude my tool of Destruction in social is the BR with 1000 kills. I think the BR doesn't need changing.

[Edited on 08.03.2008 7:25 AM PDT]

  • 08.03.2008 7:24 AM PDT

Posted by: BiH eXILE
OK first of all, many of you saying that the BR doesn't need changing, DONT EVEN USE THE BR.
All of you major grade 3's who have their tool of destruction as an AR. But for people who play this game competitively, The BR matters, everyone is so good with the weapon that when it comes to 1v1 BR battles, it becomes random and anyone can win the battle depending on who had the better random spread. So all were asking (MLG) is that you just tighten the spread of the BR, so it can be more of a consistent weapon. If you can't do it for the whole game, at least make the spread tighter for MLG Playlists and MLG Customs. So, everybody can be happy. One more thing, more than half these people need to go to school to learn some grammar and sentence structuring. Bungie you probably don't care what I have to say, I mean I'm only part of the MLG Community.


And yet, somehow the best players still end up winning...I know I win most of mine. And before you start trying to assert an elitist argument that it's different at a "competitive" level, how else do you explain the consistent records of MLG players like walshy? Good players still win. It's not random or luck. They're just better.

And lastly, the fact that you belong to MLG is irrelevant - it doesn't give you more authority or make what you say more important. MLG is a tiny minority when compared to the hundreds of thousands who play matchmaking every night. You're lucky you they threw you a bone and gave you a playlist.

  • 08.03.2008 10:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: f14m3z
umm...well its funny because its like more than 70% of the people who are complaining about the br use the ar or just go for the power wepons and alot of the people who are complaining just suck with the br

LOL. That stat wasn't completely pulled out of your ass. [/sarcasm]
(from someone who only has used the BR 22% in ranked, and has beatdown as ToD in social)

Now, if you had said 70% of the people who complain play MLG settings and use the BR all the time. Then, I would believe you.

  • 08.03.2008 11:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: BiH eXILE
OK first of all, many of you saying that the BR doesn't need changing, DONT EVEN USE THE BR.
All of you major grade 3's who have their tool of destruction as an AR. But for people who play this game competitively, The BR matters, everyone is so good with the weapon that when it comes to 1v1 BR battles, it becomes random and anyone can win the battle depending on who had the better random spread. So all were asking (MLG) is that you just tighten the spread of the BR, so it can be more of a consistent weapon. If you can't do it for the whole game, at least make the spread tighter for MLG Playlists and MLG Customs. So, everybody can be happy. One more thing, more than half these people need to go to school to learn some grammar and sentence structuring. Bungie you probably don't care what I have to say, I mean I'm only part of the MLG Community.


AHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA

Go look up "comma splice" and then come back and complain about other's grammatical problems. Why would you even make that comment if you don't have perfect grammar yourself?

I mean, idiotic generalizations and elitist crap can only take you sooo far.

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  • 08.03.2008 11:10 AM PDT

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Like I said in my Previous Post. Give us Single Shot BRs (Damage the equivilent of a 3 Round burst) and see if people like it like that or with the 3 Round Burst

Again dont give me any of that "it would bee like the Carbine" this is about the BR

  • 08.03.2008 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: WsP POP TART
Like I said in my Previous Post. Give us Single Shot BRs (Damage the equivilent of a 3 Round burst) and see if people like it like that or with the 3 Round Burst

Again dont give me any of that "it would bee like the Carbine" this is about the BR

Again, this will only work if it shot in a straight line similar to the Halo:CE Pistol. If the single-shot BR shot randomly, in order to control its range, then it would be hard to ping Snipers. (Although, there are other ways to control its range, instead of a random shot)

I'm all with you on this. I would much rather have a single-shot BR, but if it has to shoot randomly like the other single shot weapons, then I would be against it. However, the current range of the Halo 3 BR is not as fun as the Pistol or the Halo 2 BR, so I really hate the fact that Bungie feels obligated to have to force us into close combat.

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Ok good job, you know walshy. He was on the most dominant team of all time (Final Boss). Now when Halo 3 came out. Final Boss won the first tournament, they got like 7th in the second tournament, and 4th in the third. You know what happens, they kick walshy out. How can you kick someone out after 4 years of dominance and only two bad tourneys? In Halo 2, only three teams won an MLG event (STR8 Rippin) (CARBON) and (FINAL BOSS). Halo 2 was out for 3 years before Halo 3 came out. There has only been 3 events and 3 different teams have won it. Doesn't that show how inconsistent the game is, and that all starts with the BR. Its so much harder to hold setups in Halo 3, the winner is basically who is more aggressive. Like I said, why cant they just tweak the BR, just for the MLG playlist and leave everything else alone? and everybody would be happy. Shakespeare, how are you gonna say anything when you haven't even played halo 3.

[Edited on 08.03.2008 2:40 PM PDT]

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Not sure if this has been discussed, but you know that thread that was "accidentally" deleted by Luke? Well, I was a mod. on a cs 1.6 clan forum, and when I went to delete a thread a message came up that said 'Are you sure you want to delete this thread?' Just a thought.

  • 08.03.2008 3:01 PM PDT
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All you bungie forum kids are wack. Im done posting on this website. Go talk about what master chief eats for breakfast.

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  • 08.03.2008 3:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: BiH eXILE
All you bungie forum kids are wack. Im done posting on this website. Go talk about what master chief eats for breakfast.


Good bye. I'll miss your terrible grammar and comma splices.

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Posted by: BiH eXILE
Ok good job, you know walshy. He was on the most dominant team of all time (Final Boss). Now when Halo 3 came out. Final Boss won the first tournament, they got like 7th in the second tournament, and 4th in the third. You know what happens, they kick walshy out. How can you kick someone out after 4 years of dominance and only two bad tourneys? In Halo 2, only three teams won an MLG event (STR8 Rippin) (CARBON) and (FINAL BOSS).
So let me get this right… because neither STR8 Rippin, Carbon or Final Boss have ever won a tournament within Halo 3, this somehow justifies the inconsistency of such a game? An inconsistency that could only be explained by the BR having a disadvantage to allow balance within a mixed set up of weaponry? I love how you just pulled that golden nugget out of your ass.

Now, I ask you this. Do you play for Final Boss? And have any knowledge as to the reasons for Walshys departure from Final Boss? No, you haven’t the slightest clue. (yes, I answer for you because I already knew it. )

Couldn’t there somehow be different logical reasons as to why walshy left? Maybe personal reasons perhaps? Family reasons? Health reasons? Maybe he decided to get a “real” job?

Only in your mind could you relate his departure (if anyone really cares) to a meager spread issue that relieves the BR from its dominance over all other weapons.

For the record, I don’t know if walshy really left, nor do I care, I’m just going by what this marsupial has said.

Halo 2 was out for 3 years before Halo 3 came out. There has only been 3 events and 3 different teams have won it. Doesn't that show how inconsistent the game is, and that all starts with the BR.The unthinkable has happened! I can no longer use the same halo 2 strategies within halo 3! Oh miy gowds! Nice golden nugget you have there…

Three different teams won it… hmm. Maybe they are just better teams, I see no inconsistently with that.
I still see no logic as to why the BR spread has screwed up some of the top teams within the MLG.

Its so much harder to hold setups in Halo 3, the winner is basically who is more aggressive.So skill is not associated toward aggressiveness? Such a subjective understanding.

Holding setups isn’t the only strategy in Halo 3 and as to why you believe this is beyond me.

Like I said, why cant they just tweak the BR, just for the MLG playlist and leave everything else alone? and everybody would be happy. Shakespeare, how are you gonna say anything when you haven't even played halo 3.Because only 5000 people at the most each day ever play MLG. Out of the thousands that play ranked slayer and social slayer.

  • 08.03.2008 4:00 PM PDT

Posted by: BiH eXILE
Shakespeare, how are you gonna say anything when you haven't even played halo 3.


I'm sorry...you seem to be confused...I've been playing Halo 3 since the day it released...

  • 08.03.2008 7:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: BiH eXILE
Ok good job, you know walshy. He was on the most dominant team of all time (Final Boss). Now when Halo 3 came out. Final Boss won the first tournament, they got like 7th in the second tournament, and 4th in the third. You know what happens, they kick walshy out. How can you kick someone out after 4 years of dominance and only two bad tourneys? In Halo 2, only three teams won an MLG event (STR8 Rippin) (CARBON) and (FINAL BOSS).
So let me get this right… because neither STR8 Rippin, Carbon or Final Boss have ever won a tournament within Halo 3, this somehow justifies the inconsistency of such a game? An inconsistency that could only be explained by the BR having a disadvantage to allow balance within a mixed set up of weaponry? I love how you just pulled that golden nugget out of your ass.

Now, I ask you this. Do you play for Final Boss? And have any knowledge as to the reasons for Walshys departure from Final Boss? No, you haven’t the slightest clue. (yes, I answer for you because I already knew it. )

Couldn’t there somehow be different logical reasons as to why walshy left? Maybe personal reasons perhaps? Family reasons? Health reasons? Maybe he decided to get a “real” job?

Only in your mind could you relate his departure (if anyone really cares) to a meager spread issue that relieves the BR from its dominance over all other weapons.

For the record, I don’t know if walshy really left, nor do I care, I’m just going by what this marsupial has said.

Halo 2 was out for 3 years before Halo 3 came out. There has only been 3 events and 3 different teams have won it. Doesn't that show how inconsistent the game is, and that all starts with the BR.The unthinkable has happened! I can no longer use the same halo 2 strategies within halo 3! Oh miy gowds! Nice golden nugget you have there…

Three different teams won it… hmm. Maybe they are just better teams, I see no inconsistently with that.
I still see no logic as to why the BR spread has screwed up some of the top teams within the MLG.

Its so much harder to hold setups in Halo 3, the winner is basically who is more aggressive.So skill is not associated toward aggressiveness? Such a subjective understanding.

Holding setups isn’t the only strategy in Halo 3 and as to why you believe this is beyond me.

Like I said, why cant they just tweak the BR, just for the MLG playlist and leave everything else alone? and everybody would be happy. Shakespeare, how are you gonna say anything when you haven't even played halo 3.Because only 5000 people at the most each day ever play MLG. Out of the thousands that play ranked slayer and social slayer.


3 years of Halo 2=3 teams won MLG tournaments
3 tournaments of Halo 3=3 teams won MLG tournaments

How does that not equate to inconsistency to you? Seems pretty damn random to me. The problem there is the focus on the team and teamwork rather than individual skill. In Halo 2 one player could decide a match. Walshy wasn't called "captain clutch" for nothing. The kid was insane when it came to individual achievement. Halo 3 doesn't focus so strongly on individualism, and in order to win the game you MUST work with your teammates. This is why Walshy is no longer the best in the world, and is also why Final Boss decided to drop him.

The problems with the BR are real, but they did not cause the demise of Final Boss.

Skill is not based solely on how aggressive or passive you play. There are many factors that paint a picture of one's true skill. Teamwork IS the only way to win when you get up to the higher levels of competition. Setups are a part of teamwork, and the ability to hold these setups is what separates the men from the boys.

Tweaking anything in MM is a rediculous idea. The BR in the MLG playlist is not MLG's BR. It's Bungie's. Leave it alone. What would be nice, however, is if they put customizeable weapons into forge for custom games. Let the players tweak ALL the weapons how they see fit.



[Edited on 08.03.2008 7:50 PM PDT]

  • 08.03.2008 7:48 PM PDT

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EVERYONE face it, Bungie KNOWS the BR is broken, they won't fix it because they want to feel like they still have power over the community (i.e.- Recon Armor)

Bungie won't admit that they are wrong, though I bet 80% of the community that plays the game *Cough Bungie employees barely play Cough*can see that long range shots are all luck if you hit someone. The margin of error is way too great for a weapon manufactured in 2552 or whatever.

So, Bungie, fix the BR. If you don't, then you'll lose tens of thousands of players respect! And peace out....

[Edited on 08.03.2008 9:31 PM PDT]

  • 08.03.2008 9:30 PM PDT

the br is -blam!- up. fix it. bungie is 2 busy making a new -blam!- ass ranking system instead of fixing issues in the game

  • 08.03.2008 9:32 PM PDT

Uh.. they dont need to "feel" like they have power- they do have power. All of it. Bungie employees barely play because they have other things to do, like WORK, and relaxing with your money. BR is not broken, the explanation is on the first post.. quit yer whining nancy.

  • 08.03.2008 10:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gollygeeanelite
EVERYONE face it, Bungie KNOWS the BR is broken, they won't fix it because they want to feel like they still have power over the community (i.e.- Recon Armor)

Bungie won't admit that they are wrong, though I bet 80% of the community that plays the game *Cough Bungie employees barely play Cough*can see that long range shots are all luck if you hit someone. The margin of error is way too great for a weapon manufactured in 2552 or whatever.

So, Bungie, fix the BR. If you don't, then you'll lose tens of thousands of players respect! And peace out....


You Make it Sound Like its a giant conspiricy.

And Would You like A Single Shot BR. I say give us that and lets see how many people miss the spread and three shot burst then.

by the way its a game

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Posted by: Moonbase Taco
The BR's grouping you keep bringing up is the maximum error possible, so It will usually do a lot better than that. I just have to disagreee that you want the BR to 4-shot consistantly at the end of its red range. the points you bring up are that every other weapon except the Shotgun weapons can get a kill with maximum efficiency at the end of red range. with the BR, it is very possible to get a 4sk at the end of the red range, but of course not consistently. nor can you consistenly get this result with any other weapon, except for precision weapons. of course, you can't consistently 16-shot with an AR, or 23 (or however many bullets it takes, something around there) shot with a SMG at it's maximum red range consistently. so it doesn't make sense for the BR to have this capability.


Well, there are a few things I'd like to address here. Assuming that each bullet's spread will be greater than the previous, it may not always bring a .38º spread, but rather large spreads can still cause misses of the last bullet, resulting is forfeitures of kills that were arguably 'earned.'

My point about other various weapons is that it is always physically possible to get a maximum-efficiency kill at the edge of red range. While, admitted, it may not be very practical or easy, but it is always physically possible; there are other restrictions applied to discourage improper use. [b]With the BR, it is NOT always physically possible to get a four-shot kill. In fact, it is nigh impossible to do this at the edge of red reticule (~30 WU.) Heck, inside of even 15 WU, it's almost entirely luck as to whether your bullet(s) hit or miss, aimed correctly or not.

The spread, completely beyond your control, determines your success or failure when skill is roughly equal in intended range. Various other 'skill' factors that could tip the scales in a player's favor (who shot first, whose strafe is better, etc.,) can be mitigated or even overrode by a player's sour luck of the draw well within red-range... That's just my opinion; but I've got some math.

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Posted by: BiH eXILE
Ok good job, you know walshy. He was on the most dominant team of all time (Final Boss). Now when Halo 3 came out. ----( Final Boss won the first tournament, )---- they got like 7th in the second tournament, and 4th in the third. You know what happens, they kick walshy out. How can you kick someone out after 4 years of dominance and only two bad tourneys? In Halo 2, only three teams won an MLG event (STR8 Rippin) (CARBON) and (FINAL BOSS).
So let me get this right… ----( because neither STR8 Rippin, Carbon or Final Boss have ever won a tournament within Halo 3 )---- , this somehow justifies the inconsistency of such a game? An inconsistency that could only be explained by the BR having a disadvantage to allow balance within a mixed set up of weaponry? I love how you just pulled that golden nugget out of your ass.


lol you know what you're talking about


[Edited on 08.04.2008 12:07 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Guardian4583
Posted by: BiH eXILE
Ok good job, you know walshy. He was on the most dominant team of all time (Final Boss). Now when Halo 3 came out. ----( Final Boss won the first tournament, )---- they got like 7th in the second tournament, and 4th in the third. You know what happens, they kick walshy out. How can you kick someone out after 4 years of dominance and only two bad tourneys? In Halo 2, only three teams won an MLG event (STR8 Rippin) (CARBON) and (FINAL BOSS).
So let me get this right… ----( because neither STR8 Rippin, Carbon or Final Boss have ever won a tournament within Halo 3 )---- , this somehow justifies the inconsistency of such a game? An inconsistency that could only be explained by the BR having a disadvantage to allow balance within a mixed set up of weaponry? I love how you just pulled that golden nugget out of your ass.


lol you know what you're talking about
*sigh*

The use of inconsistency was associated toward the idea of the BR being Inconsistent or random… broken…

Let me reword it…
Because neither STR8 Rippin, Carbon or Final Boss have ever won a tournament within Halo 3 this somehow justifies the “brokenness of the BR” within said game. A brokenness that could only be explained for having a disadvantage to allow balance within a mix.. bla bla bla bla bla….. I hope you get the point…

Read in the bold.
Posted by: BiH eXILE
Ok good job, you know walshy. He was on the most dominant team of all time (Final Boss). Now when Halo 3 came out. Final Boss won the first tournament, they got like 7th in the second tournament, and 4th in the third. You know what happens, they kick walshy out. How can you kick someone out after 4 years of dominance and only two bad tourneys? In Halo 2, only three teams won an MLG event (STR8 Rippin) (CARBON) and (FINAL BOSS). Halo 2 was out for 3 years before Halo 3 came out. There has only been 3 events and 3 different teams have won it. Doesn't that show how inconsistent the game is, and that all starts with the BR. Its so much harder to hold setups in Halo 3, the winner is basically who is more aggressive. Like I said, why cant they just tweak the BR, just for the MLG playlist and leave everything else alone? and everybody would be happy. Shakespeare, how are you gonna say anything when you haven't even played halo 3.

  • 08.04.2008 1:10 AM PDT

Yo

Its not so much that the Br is bad, in fact on LAN its amazing, and I can consistantally (sp) 4 shot people at alot of distances, but people are mistaking that the Br sucks with the ever small amount (or large for that matter) of lag that is in EVERY game of halo3, even if every one in the game has full green bar connection, its just how the internet works.
another reason people think that the BR sucks is due to (what seems like an ever increasing) hit detection problem (which could also be attributed to lag) so it seems like you shoiuld have 4 shot that kid standing still, but even if ONE of the twelve bullets becomes undetected it will not give it to you, thus is why MLG has put the 110% damage modifyer in its settings, is so you can kill with only 11 hit bullets, making the BR much more deadly.

  • 08.04.2008 2:02 AM PDT