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Nothing wrong with it,
exsept 4 shot dead

  • 08.04.2008 2:45 AM PDT
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LOL LOL LOL LOL I <3 BNET KIDS. Seriously though, you all use the AR and probably have minimal skill with the BR so you cannot really comment. Remembering this is a futuristic game, there would be no such thing as 'spread'. Also, its meant tobe a gun used at all ranges... Yet at long ranges, its completely useless even if the first shot is completely accurate it takes such a long time to kill someone at range.

Basically, its fine for maps like guardian etc but for maps such as Pit and Valhalla etc ist inadequate. But i will say that the H2 BR was overpowered, but now in H3 it is underpowered... An AR should not be more powerful than a BR at any range. End of.

Now. Go back to your ARs and 'Can i Haz Flame Nades in MM pl0x' threads instead of talkiing bout things you have no idea about :)

  • 08.04.2008 5:12 AM PDT

"Death is an inconvenience now.... We are All Dead Men Walking."
"The Sniper Rifle is a Support weapon, your supposed to sneak around with it. Not stand in the open"
"Armor Lock is boss if you know how to use it!"
"I like the idea of a professional troll, though, it makes me think of a hideous creature under a bridge handing out business cards." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw

Posted by: Ashley iS H4X
LOL LOL LOL LOL I <3 BNET KIDS. Seriously though, you all use the AR and probably have minimal skill with the BR so you cannot really comment. Remembering this is a futuristic game, there would be no such thing as 'spread'. Also, its meant tobe a gun used at all ranges... Yet at long ranges, its completely useless even if the first shot is completely accurate it takes such a long time to kill someone at range.

Basically, its fine for maps like guardian etc but for maps such as Pit and Valhalla etc ist inadequate. But i will say that the H2 BR was overpowered, but now in H3 it is underpowered... An AR should not be more powerful than a BR at any range. End of.

Now. Go back to your ARs and 'Can i Haz Flame Nades in MM pl0x' threads instead of talkiing bout things you have no idea about :)


Wow Your a bit to Quick to Judge. Last I checked BR is my social Tool of Destruction So I say i am skilled with the BR.

  • 08.04.2008 5:16 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: flclisgreat
Its not so much that the Br is bad, in fact on LAN its amazing, and I can consistantally (sp) 4 shot people at alot of distances, but people are mistaking that the Br sucks with the ever small amount (or large for that matter) of lag that is in EVERY game of halo3, even if every one in the game has full green bar connection, its just how the internet works.
another reason people think that the BR sucks is due to (what seems like an ever increasing) hit detection problem (which could also be attributed to lag) so it seems like you shoiuld have 4 shot that kid standing still, but even if ONE of the twelve bullets becomes undetected it will not give it to you, thus is why MLG has put the 110% damage modifyer in its settings, is so you can kill with only 11 hit bullets, making the BR much more deadly.

Lag isn't the issue. Halo 3's netcode is.

  • 08.04.2008 5:56 AM PDT
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Who's fixing me?

  • 08.04.2008 6:13 AM PDT

"Death is an inconvenience now.... We are All Dead Men Walking."
"The Sniper Rifle is a Support weapon, your supposed to sneak around with it. Not stand in the open"
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Posted by: The BR Spread
Who's fixing me?


Lol

  • 08.04.2008 6:26 AM PDT
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the BR is fine the way it is

  • 08.04.2008 6:28 AM PDT

Team Doubles = 49
MLG = 50
Team Slayer = 50
Team SWAT = 47
Lonewolves = 41
Team Snipers = 46
Squad Battle = 36

If Halo 3's BR was like Halo 2's, this game would be perfect. In H2, it's extremely easy to 4 shot your opponent.

  • 08.04.2008 7:05 AM PDT

The BR is FINE! Get over the stupid spread and lack of power in a short range BR vs. AR fight.

  • 08.04.2008 7:23 AM PDT
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The vast majority of these people that are saying they like the BR as it is probably don't play the game as much as they sit on this forum. They don't enjoy MLG settings because a greater skill and team talk is envolved. They are social gamers, gamers that pick the game up and play for about 4-6hours a week. Sure there is nothing wrong with that, after all they did buy your game and their voice should be heard.

Everyone that I speak to online thinks the BR spread should be tightened.

The thing is say its a short to medium battle when I've been beat in a 1v1 I don't want to think that last shot he got on me on his screen was a miss but because of the horrible spread one of his bullets clipped my head. And where as if I'm aiming at the center of his head I don't want a nasty spread where my bullets go past his ears.

Especially for competitive gaming how is that fair and balanced?

In your update you talked about what has changed from halo 2, I don't see anyone complaining about you having to lead your shots that makes sense. I'm sorry but in your update your chat was like a weasling way out. People don't want a sniper for a BR they just want the gun to work consistently at medium to short range. We're not looking for a 4 shot from Narrows cannon to cannon.

You could meet the fans half way. Make a patch for th BR but only include it in the MLG and SWAT playlist. This wouldn't effect your view of balance for the other gametypes. And a patch that could be turned on for customs.

I don't know how tricky that would actually be but it would shut a lot of people up and move them onto moaning about their feeble beard growth!

  • 08.04.2008 7:30 AM PDT

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There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Ashley iS H4X
LOL LOL LOL LOL I <3 BNET KIDS. Seriously though, you all use the AR and probably have minimal skill with the BR so you cannot really comment. Remembering this is a futuristic game, there would be no such thing as 'spread'. Also, its meant tobe a gun used at all ranges... Yet at long ranges, its completely useless even if the first shot is completely accurate it takes such a long time to kill someone at range.


Apparently you're incorrect since there is bullet spread on the AR, shotgun, mauler, BR, carbine, and magnum. Nice try though.

Assuming you don't have other accounts (which I'm sure you do since the one linked to this B.net account screams of being a 2nd account) you have a total of 5,741 BR kills. I have 18,000. You 5,741. Me 18,000. Again. You 5,741. Me 18,000.

Basically, its fine for maps like guardian etc but for maps such as Pit and Valhalla etc ist inadequate. But i will say that the H2 BR was overpowered, but now in H3 it is underpowered... An AR should not be more powerful than a BR at any range. End of.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA

Now. Go back to your ARs and 'Can i Haz Flame Nades in MM pl0x' threads instead of talkiing bout things you have no idea about :)

Go back to MLGpro.com where cognitive thought isn't required. Watch some more people reading text over a video. How intellectually stimulating that is...

~B.B.

  • 08.04.2008 8:01 AM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: eeblogue
The vast majority of these people that are saying they like the BR as it is probably don't play the game as much as they sit on this forum. They don't enjoy MLG settings because a greater skill and team talk is envolved. They are social gamers, gamers that pick the game up and play for about 4-6hours a week. Sure there is nothing wrong with that, after all they did buy your game and their voice should be heard.


I work 10 hours a day so I have B.net running in the background while I'm at work. I sincerely hope you don't play Halo for 10 hours a day in comparison. I don't enjoy MLG settings because they are incredibly bland, simple-minded, shallow, repetitive, monotone, and boring. While their gameplay and map design is sub-par. Oh, and MLG doesn't have "more skill" involved with it. It has more "precision aim" skill required because you're only required to use that skill. Nevermind. I don't feel like showing why that was a gross generalization and completely wrong.

Moving on. Sure there are "Social gamers" that play H3 4-6 hours a week. There are also "competitive gamers" that play more than that. There are also FAR MORE "Social gamers" than competitive gamers. You're right, their voice should be heard and since they're the majority I'd hope that Bungie would look to ensure the interest of the majority of players.

Everyone that I speak to online thinks the BR spread should be tightened.

Everyone I speak to thinks the BR is perfectly fine and that it has better weapon's balance than H2 or HCE. Yeah for biased anecdotal evidence!! Weeeee.

The thing is say its a short to medium battle when I've been beat in a 1v1 I don't want to think that last shot he got on me on his screen was a miss but because of the horrible spread one of his bullets clipped my head. And where as if I'm aiming at the center of his head I don't want a nasty spread where my bullets go past his ears.

So you went into a confrontation with a weapon with known randomness and utilized it in a fashion in which that randomness could determine the outcome of the confrontation. Bad decision on your part. The fault lies with you; not the weapon.

Especially for competitive gaming how is that fair and balanced?

Because you can certainly change tactics or strategies so that you can minimize the possibility that bullet spread will lose you an encounter. You can use the skill of effective team-work instead of relying solely aiming precision skill.

In your update you talked about what has changed from halo 2, I don't see anyone complaining about you having to lead your shots that makes sense. I'm sorry but in your update your chat was like a weasling way out. People don't want a sniper for a BR they just want the gun to work consistently at medium to short range. We're not looking for a 4 shot from Narrows cannon to cannon.

It does work consistently. Less than 7WUs you can ALWAYS get a 4SK even with .38s on every shot (which isn't possible) with excellent aim. Up to about 12WUs you can pretty much consistently get a 4SK with excellent aim. Past 12WUs you will consistently get a 5SK. Past 20WUs it's consistently a 5 or 6SK. The gun works pretty consistently.

You could meet the fans half way. Make a patch for th BR but only include it in the MLG and SWAT playlist. This wouldn't effect your view of balance for the other gametypes. And a patch that could be turned on for customs.

Don't say stupid things like "the fans" because it's just pathetic. Don't try to imply that the only "fans" are the ones that want a change in the H3 BR. How about they don't make a patch for 2 playlists that are hardly ever played? How about they don't take the time or effort to make a patch for a Playlist that only average 5,000 people at any given time. How about they use that time to develop new maps (which coincidently more than 5,000 on average use) or change playlists, or try different map setups, or work on their next big project. Wait...it seems they are already doing that.

I don't know how tricky that would actually be but it would shut a lot of people up and move them onto moaning about their feeble beard growth!


Nothing will shut them up completely. People will always and do always complain about any given thing. Taking the time to cater to a severe minority when that time could be spend on doing things for the vast majority instead is a BAD IDEA.

~B.B.

  • 08.04.2008 8:23 AM PDT
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If you guys want to know what the spread is on the AR. I found this picture that explains it.

It's modded, but it shows the AR spread perfectly.

AR Spread

  • 08.04.2008 8:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sprool
If you guys want to know what the spread is on the AR. I found this picture that explains it.

It's modded, but it shows the AR spread perfectly.

AR Spread


Hmm... that's interesting.

  • 08.04.2008 10:32 AM PDT

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: eeblogue
The vast majority of these people that are saying they like the BR as it is probably don't play the game as much as they sit on this forum. They don't enjoy MLG settings because a greater skill and team talk is envolved. They are social gamers, gamers that pick the game up and play for about 4-6hours a week. Sure there is nothing wrong with that, after all they did buy your game and their voice should be heard.


I work 10 hours a day so I have B.net running in the background while I'm at work. I sincerely hope you don't play Halo for 10 hours a day in comparison. I don't enjoy MLG settings because they are incredibly bland, simple-minded, shallow, repetitive, monotone, and boring. While their gameplay and map design is sub-par. Oh, and MLG doesn't have "more skill" involved with it. It has more "precision aim" skill required because you're only required to use that skill. Nevermind. I don't feel like showing why that was a gross generalization and completely wrong.

Moving on. Sure there are "Social gamers" that play H3 4-6 hours a week. There are also "competitive gamers" that play more than that. There are also FAR MORE "Social gamers" than competitive gamers. You're right, their voice should be heard and since they're the majority I'd hope that Bungie would look to ensure the interest of the majority of players.

Everyone that I speak to online thinks the BR spread should be tightened.

Everyone I speak to thinks the BR is perfectly fine and that it has better weapon's balance than H2 or HCE. Yeah for biased anecdotal evidence!! Weeeee.

The thing is say its a short to medium battle when I've been beat in a 1v1 I don't want to think that last shot he got on me on his screen was a miss but because of the horrible spread one of his bullets clipped my head. And where as if I'm aiming at the center of his head I don't want a nasty spread where my bullets go past his ears.

So you went into a confrontation with a weapon with known randomness and utilized it in a fashion in which that randomness could determine the outcome of the confrontation. Bad decision on your part. The fault lies with you; not the weapon.

Especially for competitive gaming how is that fair and balanced?

Because you can certainly change tactics or strategies so that you can minimize the possibility that bullet spread will lose you an encounter. You can use the skill of effective team-work instead of relying solely aiming precision skill.

In your update you talked about what has changed from halo 2, I don't see anyone complaining about you having to lead your shots that makes sense. I'm sorry but in your update your chat was like a weasling way out. People don't want a sniper for a BR they just want the gun to work consistently at medium to short range. We're not looking for a 4 shot from Narrows cannon to cannon.

It does work consistently. Less than 7WUs you can ALWAYS get a 4SK even with .38s on every shot (which isn't possible) with excellent aim. Up to about 12WUs you can pretty much consistently get a 4SK with excellent aim. Past 12WUs you will consistently get a 5SK. Past 20WUs it's consistently a 5 or 6SK. The gun works pretty consistently.

You could meet the fans half way. Make a patch for th BR but only include it in the MLG and SWAT playlist. This wouldn't effect your view of balance for the other gametypes. And a patch that could be turned on for customs.

Don't say stupid things like "the fans" because it's just pathetic. Don't try to imply that the only "fans" are the ones that want a change in the H3 BR. How about they don't make a patch for 2 playlists that are hardly ever played? How about they don't take the time or effort to make a patch for a Playlist that only average 5,000 people at any given time. How about they use that time to develop new maps (which coincidently more than 5,000 on average use) or change playlists, or try different map setups, or work on their next big project. Wait...it seems they are already doing that.

I don't know how tricky that would actually be but it would shut a lot of people up and move them onto moaning about their feeble beard growth!


Nothing will shut them up completely. People will always and do always complain about any given thing. Taking the time to cater to a severe minority when that time could be spend on doing things for the vast majority instead is a BAD IDEA.

~B.B.

get a life F4G. btw ur garbage, you cant even get a 50. no wonder ur supporting the BR as is; you blow

[Edited on 08.04.2008 7:47 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2008 7:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tridento
get a life F4G. btw ur garbage, you cant even get a 50. no wonder ur supporting the BR as is; you blow

Hurry little sheep, run back to your flock,
Before the big bad wolf begins to knock.

So hurry on home, my poor helpless thing,
Until the time comes to finally hear you sing.

  • 08.04.2008 8:25 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Another MLG kid who can't think for himself and certainly can't come up with an adequate argument. I have an account with a 50. I just used a 2nd account like everyone else. I'm sure if I would have concentrated on playing on this account in the first place, I'd probably would have made it in TS on here.Since I had 2 45s and was a Brigadier in less than a month from the launch of Halo 3. But that would have meant not playing with my friends and honestly they are more important than some pathetic rank in a video game.

And after having an account that's a General and having an account that's a Master Sargent, I can honestly say that I'd much rather be a Master Sargent.

I'm half-tempted not even to have you banned. Just so everyone can constantly see the kind of trash persona that MLG promotes and allows to continue in their community.

Thanks for the laughs kid. If this is the best that the "pro-BR" people can bring...I think this discussion is done.

~B.B.

  • 08.04.2008 9:07 PM PDT
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i dont have a problem with it either but maybe you kno they can make BR weaker making it 5 headshots too kill rather than 4 but other than that BRs ok i like the way it is easpecially against those noobs in SOCIAL....(ya i play social im noob to :p)

  • 08.04.2008 9:10 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

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Go back to MLGpro.com where cognitive thought isn't required. Watch some more people reading text over a video. How intellectually stimulating that is...
~B.B.

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
I'm half-tempted not even to have you banned. Just so everyone can constantly see the kind of trash persona that MLG promotes and allows to continue in their community.
~B.B.

Please stop generalizing the MLG community. All that generalizing a group does it discredit you.

[Edited on 08.04.2008 9:24 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2008 9:22 PM PDT
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Ok I know I said that I was done posting but you bnet kids obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say. All I'm saying is the BR is inconsistent, it needs tweaking with the spread. How are you gonna have a random bullet spread on the BR. Like in this swat game. You know the 1 shot 1 kill thing. Yea just watch this. http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/kbXfhsalsDjxFxwY.html

If that doesn't show how bull -blam!- the BR is.... maybe this can....
the guy is clearly one shot...and he doesn't wanna die

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/rpw78kD8hJE.html

If majority people of halo 3 fans play for fun and they don't want the BR changed. Then Ok. I can't argue with that. Leave the BR alone.

But for ones who play it competitively (MLG). Why not just tweak the BR for that playlist, so everyone can be happy?? IDK how many times I've said that. Obviously you kids will never understand.




[Edited on 08.04.2008 10:49 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2008 10:16 PM PDT

Posted by: BiH eXILE
Ok I know I said that I was done posting but you bnet kids obviously understand what I'm trying to say. All I'm saying is the BR is inconsistent, it needs tweaking with the spread. How are you gonna have a random bullet spread on the BR. Like in this swat game. You know the 1 shot 1 kill thing. Yea just watch this. http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/kbXfhsalsDjxFxwY.html

If that doesn't show how bull -blam!- the BR is.... maybe this can....
the guy is clearly one shot...and he doesn't wanna die

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/rpw78kD8hJE.html

If majority people of halo 3 fans play for fun and they don't want the BR changed. Then Ok. I can't argue with that. Leave the BR alone.

But for ones who play it competitively (MLG). Why not just tweak the BR for that playlist, so everyone can be happy?? IDK how many times I've said that. Obviously you kids will never understand.




Seriously...you threw a fit and said you were done. So be done. Leave already - or are you a hypocrit who wants attention? Sorry this is harsh...but you people keep claiming that Halo 3 isn't worth playing, but apparently it's worth being here to annoy the folks who enjoy it. We're kind of sick of it. You know what I do when I don't like a game? I stop playing it - I don't go online and throw a tantrum and I don't make it my mission to annoy the people who do enjoy it.

And the reason Bungie doesn't tweak the BR in the MLG playlist is because MLG is a small minority when compared to the hundreds of thousands who play in matchmaking every night. And it's not like the folks who have requested this have been particularly respectful of Bungie's efforts when they ask - would you respond to armchair quaterbacks telling you the immensely successful series you spend years of your life working on was "broken?"

  • 08.04.2008 10:27 PM PDT
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How bout' you take a look and close listen to this..... and seriously ....I'm done.

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/EVWNcdPD0iM.html

  • 08.04.2008 10:31 PM PDT

Posted by: BiH eXILE
How bout' you take a look and close listen to this..... and seriously ....I'm done.

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/EVWNcdPD0iM.html


Been there, done that, man. Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of you pretending to leave for attention...

[Edited on 08.04.2008 10:45 PM PDT]

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Attention? Why the hell would I care of getting attention from you? or anyone from BNET.
*sigh* If only you were good at the game. Then maybe you would understand.

[Edited on 08.04.2008 10:48 PM PDT]

  • 08.04.2008 10:47 PM PDT

Posted by: BiH eXILE
Attention? Why the hell would I care of getting attention from you? or anyone from BNET.
*sigh* If only you were good at the game. Then maybe you would understand.


Really? You're STILL HERE? Wow...I can't stop laughing at how much of a hypocrit you are...

  • 08.04.2008 10:49 PM PDT