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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
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The BR is fine and i sould stay like tht dont make it like halo2 BR plz DON'T.


B.B. Look it's someone I didn't respond to. What are you going to do?!? Are you going to chastize me for being too mature this time?


I'm sure you would have done it eventually Craven...

I mean, you did it to sooo many others in this thread. But adding a "u fail" link was just pathetic.

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Not really. I'm getting sick of kids lacksidasically strolling into this thread to only post one line of crap that contributes nothing to the discussion. The youfail.org link was simply to stress my concern and distaste while being too lazy to completely go off on the kid. I let him know that what he posted was not needed, nor wanted, and did so without taking China's wall.

  • 08.10.2008 7:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
Posted by: GravitY TraP
The BR is fine and i sould stay like tht dont make it like halo2 BR plz DON'T.


B.B. Look it's someone I didn't respond to. What are you going to do?!? Are you going to chastize me for being too mature this time?


I'm sure you would have done it eventually Craven...

I mean, you did it to sooo many others in this thread. But adding a "u fail" link was just pathetic.

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Not really. I'm getting sick of kids lacksidasically strolling into this thread to only post one line of crap that contributes nothing to the discussion. The youfail.org link was simply to stress my concern and distaste while being too lazy to completely go off on the kid. I let him know that what he posted was not needed, nor wanted, and did so without taking China's wall.


Yeah, the one-liners really don't add or detract anything. But they do have the right, just as your or I, to do it. I mean ST Cheezhead has been reposting the same "one-liners" almost every page and I think I've seen you mention him maybe once negatively. I've seen you countless times go off on people like you just did.

You don't like their one-liners but that doesn't mean that his post isn't needed or wanted. You don't decide that and neither do I.

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But the BR IS broked!!! Dumbtard....!!!!!

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Doesnt that solution seem logical????????!?!?!??!?!?!?!!!!!1111!!!!one!?!??!?!?!?!eLEVE N!!!>!?!?!?!?!??!

  • 08.10.2008 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
Posted by: GravitY TraP
The BR is fine and i sould stay like tht dont make it like halo2 BR plz DON'T.


B.B. Look it's someone I didn't respond to. What are you going to do?!? Are you going to chastize me for being too mature this time?


I'm sure you would have done it eventually Craven...

I mean, you did it to sooo many others in this thread. But adding a "u fail" link was just pathetic.

~B.B.


Not really. I'm getting sick of kids lacksidasically strolling into this thread to only post one line of crap that contributes nothing to the discussion. The youfail.org link was simply to stress my concern and distaste while being too lazy to completely go off on the kid. I let him know that what he posted was not needed, nor wanted, and did so without taking China's wall.


Yeah, the one-liners really don't add or detract anything. But they do have the right, just as your or I, to do it. I mean ST Cheezhead has been reposting the same "one-liners" almost every page and I think I've seen you mention him maybe once negatively. I've seen you countless times go off on people like you just did.

You don't like their one-liners but that doesn't mean that his post isn't needed or wanted. You don't decide that and neither do I.

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Actually B.B. we BOTH do. HUH?!? What could I be talking about. When it comes to issues like this that are not adressed in the forum rules it is up to the community to police itself. It's like when someone mistakenly tells someone they posted in the wrong forum, or when some kids reply to what is clearly spam. It's not needed, nor is it wanted, but in most circumstances it isn't against any rule. This is when the rest of the community is asked to step in and police themselves. This kid, like many others, has come into this lengthy and detailed thread only to post one line? That's beyond rediculous . If you don't know what you're talking about read previous posts. If you're too lazy to read previous posts, then post another time when you feel like educating yourself. That simple. If you have one line to post, or you just don't care either way, then why bother posting? I'm sorry you feel I have been biased towards one kind of idiot, I'll try to be more even with my criticisms.

  • 08.10.2008 8:11 PM PDT

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But the BR IS broked!!! Dumbtard....!!!!!

(Made by me on a former account)

Doesnt that solution seem logical????????!?!?!??!?!?!?!!!!!1111!!!!one!?!??!?!?!?!eLEVE N!!!>!?!?!?!?!??!


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I wasn't talking about power I was talking about how useful it is, kind of, lol it's hard to explain what I mean. I guess all that I'm trying to say is that when it was consistent it was better now it's not consistent so now it is a worse gun, see what I mean? Now does what I was saying before sound a little better? I think the only reason this is frustrating is simply because no one is used to it. Since, I am assuming from all the angry people in this forum, the way A LOT of people play is based around the BR and changing it means that they need to tweak the way they play online.
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  • 08.10.2008 10:52 PM PDT

We just need to instigate more elitism and Mythic shenanigans.

Posted by: CravenC21h30o2
Posted by: Moonbase Taco
But the BR IS broked!!! Dumbtard....!!!!!

(Made by me on a former account)

Doesnt that solution seem logical????????!?!?!??!?!?!?!!!!!1111!!!!one!?!??!?!?!?!eLEVE N!!!>!?!?!?!?!??!


Please don't advertise for your thread in this one. Especially one that has been blocked, or is against forum rules.

LOL.

I hop that that post was a joke, because if not, we have problems with the education system, or we need to start executing people for stupidity; or both.

For the record: BR =/= BROKEN. (notice the correct tense and grammatical usage?). Most of the weapons in Halo 3 are perfectly balanced, although a few tweaks might improve game play, such as increasing the clip on the magnum, and possibly increasing the tracking function on the PP, among a few other things. There are a few things that are over powered, but that is how the game was meant to be, it is about controlling the power weapons. Personally, I would like to see the no-scope accuracy of the sniper be taken down to the point that it is rediculously hard to no scope peopled, and I think that the laser should be completely changed (I think it should deal more damage the longer you charge it, but also use more energy, so you could either fire a whole bunch of high efficiency, weak shots at a good rate of fire, or charge it up and use 40 charge on a shot that is as powerful as the current laser). I would also LOVE to see frag grenades with enough power to kill a fully shielded player with one close grenades, as it quickly becomes annoying when a grenade goes off a foot from someones head and hardly does any damage.

But none of these things are likely, because they would completely change the balance of the game, which Bungie has worked very hard to perfect in the style that they have chosen. "fixing" the BR would also change the balance, as it is, it is almost a power weapon, and if the post I quoted described how the BR was, not how it "should" be, then the game would be CoD4 with higher jumps, no grenades, and no melee; which would be absolutely retarded.

edit- I should also add that random doesn't mean more or less skilled, it simply changes the skills used. Instead of the player with better aim winning, the player that knows when to shoot so the randomness is inconsequential wins. And the winning team is not decided by a random number generator, because after several battles the laws of statistics will make so that both players get an equal number of shots that would have missed, but due to spread hit, and the same number that would hit and do, and the same number that would have hit, but due to spread don't. The majority of the time it doesn't make a difference, but each player will be effected equally, both negatively and positively, so the randomness does not impact overall wins and losses.


[Edited on 08.11.2008 12:59 AM PDT]

  • 08.11.2008 12:45 AM PDT

We just need to instigate more elitism and Mythic shenanigans.

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Actually B.B. we BOTH do. HUH?!? What could I be talking about. When it comes to issues like this that are not adressed in the forum rules it is up to the community to police itself. It's like when someone mistakenly tells someone they posted in the wrong forum, or when some kids reply to what is clearly spam. It's not needed, nor is it wanted, but in most circumstances it isn't against any rule. This is when the rest of the community is asked to step in and police themselves. This kid, like many others, has come into this lengthy and detailed thread only to post one line? That's beyond rediculous . If you don't know what you're talking about read previous posts. If you're too lazy to read previous posts, then post another time when you feel like educating yourself. That simple. If you have one line to post, or you just don't care either way, then why bother posting? I'm sorry you feel I have been biased towards one kind of idiot, I'll try to be more even with my criticisms.

Actually, a one line post usually does add something to the discussion, by showing that that member cares enough about the issue to post, and sometimes they add a new point that wasn't discussed before, but the poster doesn't have the time, energy, or desire to elaborate.

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Posted by: CravenC21h30o2

Actually B.B. we BOTH do. HUH?!? What could I be talking about. When it comes to issues like this that are not adressed in the forum rules it is up to the community to police itself. It's like when someone mistakenly tells someone they posted in the wrong forum, or when some kids reply to what is clearly spam. It's not needed, nor is it wanted, but in most circumstances it isn't against any rule. This is when the rest of the community is asked to step in and police themselves. This kid, like many others, has come into this lengthy and detailed thread only to post one line? That's beyond rediculous . If you don't know what you're talking about read previous posts. If you're too lazy to read previous posts, then post another time when you feel like educating yourself. That simple. If you have one line to post, or you just don't care either way, then why bother posting? I'm sorry you feel I have been biased towards one kind of idiot, I'll try to be more even with my criticisms.

Actually, a one line post usually does add something to the discussion, by showing that that member cares enough about the issue to post, and sometimes they add a new point that wasn't discussed before, but the poster doesn't have the time, energy, or desire to elaborate.


So post later then, when you can muster the time and energy to post something worth reading. Instead of reading for the one millionth time "The BR is fine".

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edit- I should also add that random doesn't mean more or less skilled, it simply changes the skills used. Instead of the player with better aim winning, the player that knows when to shoot so the randomness is inconsequential wins. And the winning team is not decided by a random number generator, because after several battles the laws of statistics will make so that both players get an equal number of shots that would have missed, but due to spread hit, and the same number that would hit and do, and the same number that would have hit, but due to spread don't. The majority of the time it doesn't make a difference, but each player will be effected equally, both negatively and positively, so the randomness does not impact overall wins and losses.


Actually you're wrong. Even when you take statistics into consideration it doesn't balance out. One player will always have better luck. The single battle is decided by luck, not skill, and sometimes all it takes for one team to win is one lucky kill. If everything is equal throughout the game then one player on red team gets the 50th kill because of a lucky BR bullet his team wins because of luck. It took skill to split the rest of the game with the other team, but the other team showed just as much skill the whole game. Why is the winner of the game decided by luck? It shouldn't be. This is where we start getting into opinion, and I don't think luck should have anything to do with a "combat simulation" style game.

[Edited on 08.11.2008 2:00 AM PDT]

  • 08.11.2008 1:57 AM PDT

AHL

you ruined the br because noobs complain about how its not fair and they can't get a 50 because the br is too good, but they have horrible accuracy and can only use nooby weapons and now you gave noobs the chance to get high levels even though they are baaaaaaaaaaaaaad

  • 08.11.2008 8:12 AM PDT
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So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It


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I agree 100%

  • 08.11.2008 9:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Reykjavik


Actually you're wrong. Even when you take statistics into consideration it doesn't balance out. One player will always have better luck. The single battle is decided by luck, not skill, and sometimes all it takes for one team to win is one lucky kill. If everything is equal throughout the game then one player on red team gets the 50th kill because of a lucky BR bullet his team wins because of luck. It took skill to split the rest of the game with the other team, but the other team showed just as much skill the whole game. Why is the winner of the game decided by luck? It shouldn't be. This is where we start getting into opinion, and I don't think luck should have anything to do with a "combat simulation" style game.


Everything in life is effected by luck to some degree, and you should not base your opinion just on that, other things that effect victory are skill, and mentality.

  • 08.11.2008 9:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rocky117XBL
Everything in life is effected by luck to some degree, and you should not base your opinion just on that, other things that effect victory are skill, and mentality.

That argument is irrelevant, when referring to the BR.

When a weapon has a HIGH degree of randomness, it cannot be depended on. If in basketball the ball frequently changed size or weight, then it would effect the outcome of the game, regardless of the other variables that are present in every circumstance.

A games "weapon", be it a rifle or ball, has to always be consistent and dependable, or else the game is pointless to play.

That being said, bullets not registering contribute to this A LOT more then the BR spread.

[Edited on 08.11.2008 9:36 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Gollygeeanelite
EVERYONE face it, Bungie KNOWS the BR is broken, they won't fix it because they want to feel like they still have power over the community (i.e.- Recon Armor)

Bungie won't admit that they are wrong, though I bet 80% of the community that plays the game *Cough Bungie employees barely play Cough*can see that long range shots are all luck if you hit someone. The margin of error is way too great for a weapon manufactured in 2552 or whatever.

So, Bungie, fix the BR. If you don't, then you'll lose tens of thousands of players respect! And peace out....


Wow you really beleive that? Bungie gives recon armor to players who DESERVE it and have stood out from the countless masses, and as for Bungie not playing Halo 3......They have theese things called jobs. Bungie dosent have to fix the BR because there is nothing wrong with it. I land long range shots all the time and if you have trouble with that do not engage enemys at long range.

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Posted by: Rocky117XBL
Everything in life is effected by luck to some degree, and you should not base your opinion just on that, other things that effect victory are skill, and mentality.

That argument is irrelevant, when referring to the BR.

When a weapon has a HIGH degree of randomness, it cannot be depended on. If in basketball the ball frequently changed size or weight, then it would effect the outcome of the game, regardless of the other variables that are present in every circumstance.

A games "weapon", be it a rifle or ball, has to always be consistent and dependable, or else the game is pointless to play.

That being said, bullets not registering contribute to this A LOT more then the BR spread.

Finally a valid point.
While my last statement makes little sense when taken out of context and i hope you agree with me on this i was just trying to tell that person to stop complaining about luck because that is a key factor in everything you do.
And while relyability can be an issue with the BR this is to try to replicate such things you can not account for or feel in a game, such as windage, bullet drop, loss of velocity, and a hot barrel which all effect a weapons accuracy.
I think when makeing the weapon spread for the BR Bungie tryed to replicate this with said shot spread.
P.S. Sorry about the double post.

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  • 08.11.2008 11:24 AM PDT

I think that we can all agree that the BR will almost certainly never be changed for Team Slayer or any other playlist. That is fine because it gives players with less skill with the BR a chance to win and be happy and keep playing and buy the map packs etc. which is the whole point of this game.

But, for a playlist taht only uses 5 weapons pretty much (MLG uses rockets, snipe, carbine, BR and mauler) and it's primary weapon has a god awful spread and it waaay too random at longer ranges something needs to be done. This makes MLG play 100x worse than it should. Hardcore in H2 was fun, but MLG in h3 is only 1/10 as fun and most of it has to do with an inconsistent weapon.

This is why the option needs to be included.

Not for Team Slayer, not for anything else, just for MLG. Because it NEEDS it really badly.

And of course if it was made an option people would -blam!- about how it should be in regular MM because it probably needs to be.

And BB why don't you go make an account over at mlgpro.com so you can flame their forums with how much you hate the idea of there being a accurate BR. I understand that you sucked at halo 2 and are much better at halo 3 because of how NOOBISH the game really is. H2 took huge amounts of skill while h3 takes pretty much none.

And quit signing your posts. It looks really stupid. Your not special, well, actually you are special. I'll just leave it at that. Oh, and i remember a specific post about how you hated the idea of a team hardcore in h3 and said that it shouldn't exist period. Don't lie about your dumb posts. It just makes you look even more rediculous.

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Honestly...there's nothing wrong with the BR

  • 08.11.2008 1:25 PM PDT

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And BB why don't you go make an account over at mlgpro.com so you can flame their forums with how much you hate the idea of there being a accurate BR. I understand that you sucked at halo 2 and are much better at halo 3 because of how NOOBISH the game really is. H2 took huge amounts of skill while h3 takes pretty much none.

And quit signing your posts. It looks really stupid. Your not special, well, actually you are special. I'll just leave it at that. Oh, and i remember a specific post about how you hated the idea of a team hardcore in h3 and said that it shouldn't exist period. Don't lie about your dumb posts. It just makes you look even more rediculous.


I hate it when I look "rediculous". Obviously not as ridiculous as someone who's trying to troll me and spells "ridiculous" incorrectly. That would just be sad and pathetic.

I have an account on the MLG forums. I use it occasionally to see what they are saying. The only people that seem to have half a brain over there are ChaosTheory, TheInsanityTest, and MLG Fever. Some of which found me on another forum and complimented the fact that I can actually debate/argue correctly. They don't agree with me...but they can at least understand my point.

I sucked at Halo 2? I was in the mid-30s in Team Slayer and Team Snipers. I hardly call that 'sucking'. And that was all played with randoms. I don't use teams because typically the people I chose to team up with don't care about rank. Which is why I'd rather be a lower rank anyways. I'd rather play the game with my friends who couldn't care less about ranks, BR spread, etc. because they are just looking to have fun. Not fixate on some aspect of a video game they personally don't like. Halo 2 took huge amounts of skill? News to me. I thought it took weapon control. Holding onto a sniper rifle with one shot left in it so it couldn't respawn. I thought it was about cheating by the utilization of animation and physics glitches. That's what Halo 2 was and I'm insanely happy that Halo 3 isn't anything like it.

Oh, and about H3's THC/MLG playlist. Find the quote. Go ahead. Find it. At the same time I can find countless posts of me saying that I thought that THC deserved a chance in H3 (even if I didn't like the playlist) just like it deserved a chance in H2 (even though I didn't like the playlist). I've even said that I liked the idea of a THC/MLG playlist because it gives those "types" of people a playlist to go into so I am less likely to have to play against them. They get a playlist they like and I don't have to hear/play them. Sounds like a win-win to me. I can have Achilles come in here and talk about our multiple conversations during H3's THC lifespan that they should just make a straight MLG playlist so people would shut up and it would also show that the playlist would be insanely under-populated.

Oh and just because it seems to irritate you so much...

~B.B.

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I personally can't stand the BR. Not because it's design is flawed, but because I'm crap with it. Seriously, unless you're getting perfect headshots it's not a good gun - and if you are it's one of the best in the game.

Why is there a game type dedicated to BRs though? 7 times out of 10 I end up in a team slayer or team doubles game that's called 'Team BRs'. How annoying, my least favourite gun in the game has it's own most frequently occurring game type.

In fact it might just be because I find it annoying not leave my finger down - there should be an option with the BR that keeps it semi auto but you don't need to keep moving your finger up & down.

Well thats that then.

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The gametype team BR's has a solution for you, you spawn with an AR as a secondary weapon.

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Yeah, I know that - it's the fact that the other team spawn with BRs is the problem. I generally get raped every team BRs game I play because I whip out the AR and get headshoted by a bunch of middleaged guys with nothing better to do - 'tis really annoying.

  • 08.11.2008 2:43 PM PDT

Yes, I'm a furry. And yes, I like men. So what?

Then stop playing. Go to your dash and go back into halo if you dont want to play it. *poof* problem solved! Oh, that means no swat for you!!!

  • 08.11.2008 3:46 PM PDT

I take it you're here for a reason?
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The problem with the "fixing" the BR is just that, "fixing" it. "fix" is something that is purely a matter of opinion. the only one's who have any right to declare it broken are bungie. something not working the way you want isn't the same as something being broken.

Some people just plan suck with it so they blaim the weapon. So they say it's broken and call for a fix. there is nothing that bungie can do to make everyone happy, and that is the ultimate bottom line. many people want their own version of halo, and will complain simply because they didn't get it. this is the sad truth.


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  • 08.11.2008 6:42 PM PDT

Yes, I'm a furry. And yes, I like men. So what?

That is so, sadly true.

  • 08.11.2008 7:16 PM PDT