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Unfortunately, I am one of the few who feel that HALO 3 is MORE competitive than Halo 2. Don't call me a bandwagoner, because I simply am not. I am a consumer who is unsatisfied with a product that I bought. Halo 1 was the most balanced, which somehow through twisted logic is routinely denied or unrecognized, and it's amazing that the steps Bungie has taken to "balance" the game was to complicate it rather than simplify it.

Again, I Agree 100% Halo CE was the most balanced out of the Trilogy, and i hear ya on how the story and logic seems to get twisted or goes unrecognized.

When i saw this post it made me think of this...
http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/EVWNcdPD0iM.html

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  • 07.01.2008 7:29 PM PDT
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whoever says that the design of the br is bad is a moron

  • 07.01.2008 7:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: MultipleMoney
whoever says that the design of the br is bad is a moron


love the support to your comment, thank you!

  • 07.01.2008 7:49 PM PDT
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My opinion on the BR is that i disagree that they put in randomness. It punishes players.
I think that if there was no randomness to the BR that there would be less WTF moments in the game

  • 07.01.2008 8:07 PM PDT

I r gai whos gun teech u a l3ss0n

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Posted by: Achronos
Due to the incessant amount of spam and repeat posting about the topic of the design of the Battle Rifle in Halo 3, all threads about it will be locked on sight and the author warned (then banned if they keep doing it). Please discuss the BR and your thoughts in this thread and this thread alone.

For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.

People expecting further Bungie responses on the issue are likely to be disappointed.
So, all the well thought out posts and mountains of evidence are now considered spam?

This thread is BS. It's sole purpose is to focus all the BR complaint posts into one place where you guys can ignore them. If you think that your reasons for the spread posted in the update are a satisfactory answer to the many questions and complaints people have concerning the spread, you are mistaken.

What exactly do you guys want on the front page of your forums? All the poorly written Blood Gulch and Recon threads? Or how about that 'Brutes in Matchmaking' thread? I love how you try to keep the forums free of spam, when pretty much every thread created is a useless suggestion that you guys have already stated to be impossible. Why arn't all the armor perm threads locked? You guys have already said that no new ones will be added, and yet people keep making the threads.

Why isn't well written constructive criticism toward the BR spread allowed anymore?

Oh it's allowed, it just goes in here now. And, yes, Bungie probably will ignore any more posts about it considering the creators know a bit more about weapon balance and have looked into a lot longer than those people who see it in the update and immediately think that they know the answer and that they know what is best for the community. Now don't give me a reply saying "Well, they're noobing the game up!" like so many other people, cause this game is made for everyone, even the people new to the game.

Now in response to the spam issue, I think he meant that the millions of seperate threads on the subject were spam, not the subject itself or else this thread would not be here for all of you whiners and self-procalaimed, pros, genii, and Bungie quitters.

[Edited on 07.01.2008 8:18 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2008 8:12 PM PDT

I r gai whos gun teech u a l3ss0n

Posted by: Ninja is Bosss
My opinion on the BR is that i disagree that they put in randomness. It punishes players.
I think that if there was no randomness to the BR that there would be less WTF moments in the game
It;s really not quite as random as you think. If you played halo 2 then you're probably just used to the bullet magnetism. It took me a while to understand it too.

  • 07.01.2008 8:22 PM PDT

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To all the people complaining about a changed BR being "too powerful," or a "SUPER WEAPON," of some sort... Think about things this way...

Maybe this is a bad comparison but isn't the sniper a "SUPER WEAPON" too...? Can't sniper rifles be good at ALL ranges too (close, medium, long)? In the right hands, sure. You can beat a shotty or sword at close range with a quick no-scope headshot, right? Snipers can beat any gun at medium range too, right? And of course... snipers dominate long range combat. Snipers can just as easily, be considered an unstoppable weapon, yet know one complains about this... (The sniper is fine BTW, I don't want anyone getting ideas about what to complain about next...)

Now, before you go off saying a changed BR would become a "power weapon" (like a rocket launcher, or sniper rifle, even in some cases, a shotgun), please remember that the BR takes consistency to use well... With power weapons, usually one shot is all it takes... BR takes four...

This consistency is what makes the BR a good starting weapon... its not overpowered like a one-shot-kill rocket launcher would be for a starting weapon.

Fixing the spread would also allow more consistency, if you will, from the game... (with less dropped shots, less randomness, less getting robbed out of kills you should have had...) You would still have cases of bullets not hitting too, which is what some people need to understand, from sweeping the reticle while aiming quickly... It still wouldn't necessarily be a 4-shot every time due to this...

Less randomness is what the "Hardcore Community" wants because they understand how the game works,and how in a highly competitive FPS like Halo, randomness from an "all-purpose" weapon, like the BR, should not determine the outcome of a fight between players... Only skill and in the BR's case, consistency, should determine the winner...

The "Casual Crowd/Community" are just that... Casual. They don't care one bit about how the BR works. They just care about getting a few kills with whatever they can find and hopping into BTB and jumping on a Warthog for the entire match... and that's FINE!

Changing the BR spread would have little to no effect whatsoever on casual players, due to the fact that they probably don't care and won't notice. The hardcore just want a more reliable weapon... Constantly getting robbed of kills is NOT fun at all, and sometimes you just want the BR to work in ways that only your raw skill can show.

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I completely agree with dan91bauer... I'm sorry that you were called out in front of everyone about this issue. That was completely wrong of Bungie.

The BR needs to be fixed... period.

  • 07.01.2008 8:36 PM PDT

i think it's good the way it is. I have enough problems getting owned by it too much (i am not good with it in any way) I don't want to have my butt kicked even more!

  • 07.01.2008 8:49 PM PDT
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thank god the br threads are going to end, they are honestly getting really annoying. especially since the antagonizers dont have a case yet they claim that they do. (referring to the video mostly)

  • 07.01.2008 8:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
My thoughts:

*The BR was designed with strengths and weaknesses.
*The weaknesses were added in to offset the strengths.
*It takes skill to use the BR like JonnyOThan said.
*The BR is as effective as it was designed to be.
*Bungie DOESNT have to fix the BR because it is the way they want it to be.

So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It


  • 07.01.2008 8:58 PM PDT
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Don't try to ride a broken bike, don't fire a broken gun, don't play a broken game, send it back to the manufacturer before you try to fix it and before humiliating yourself. Don't fix what isn't yours. Don't fix what isn't broken. You can modify what is already fixed.

Halo 3 BR is the fix for the Halo 2 BR, believe it.

[Edited on 07.01.2008 9:09 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2008 9:07 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Chaoskeeper56
i think it's good the way it is. I have enough problems getting owned by it too much (i am not good with it in any way) I don't want to have my butt kicked even more!

It's gonna be alright. A change in the BR will not affect anything. You will still have your precious close range beatdown weapons. You will still be able to run around in your vehicles. You will still get owned just as much as you do now. The only thing that will change will be less WTF moments when using the BR.

  • 07.01.2008 9:08 PM PDT

Posted by: XVXIXX 315
thank god the br threads are going to end, they are honestly getting really annoying. especially since the antagonizers dont have a case yet they claim that they do. (referring to the video mostly)


Don't have a case? How about the fact that random values now determine BR fights, fights which used to be determined on aim, accuracy and precision. The only thing now consistant with BR fights, is that the spread will consistantly be inconsistant.

[Edited on 07.01.2008 9:10 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2008 9:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: Chaoskeeper56
i think it's good the way it is. I have enough problems getting owned by it too much (i am not good with it in any way) I don't want to have my butt kicked even more!

It's gonna be alright. A change in the BR will not affect anything. You will still have your precious close range beatdown weapons. You will still be able to run around in your vehicles. You will still get owned just as much as you do now. The only thing that will change will be less WTF moments when using the BR.
I want less WTF moment when using my SMG. Maybe you should realize that changing the BR will affect Halo 3, wow, no logic at all.

  • 07.01.2008 9:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Kirbeh
Don't try to ride a broken bike, don't fire a broken gun, don't play a broken game, send it back to the manufacturer before you try to fix it and before humiliating yourself. Don't fix what isn't yours. Don't fix what isn't broken. You can modify what is already fixed.

Halo 3 BR is the fix for the Halo 2 BR, believe it.


But the Halo 2 BR wasn't broken.

  • 07.01.2008 9:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: BakedPotatoLive
Posted by: Kirbeh
Don't try to ride a broken bike, don't fire a broken gun, don't play a broken game, send it back to the manufacturer before you try to fix it and before humiliating yourself. Don't fix what isn't yours. Don't fix what isn't broken. You can modify what is already fixed.

Halo 3 BR is the fix for the Halo 2 BR, believe it.


But the Halo 2 BR wasn't broken.
Oh, is that why Bungie changed it, becasue you can't fix what isnt broken in the first place.

  • 07.01.2008 9:12 PM PDT

Posted by: Kirbeh
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Posted by: Kirbeh
Don't try to ride a broken bike, don't fire a broken gun, don't play a broken game, send it back to the manufacturer before you try to fix it and before humiliating yourself. Don't fix what isn't yours. Don't fix what isn't broken. You can modify what is already fixed.

Halo 3 BR is the fix for the Halo 2 BR, believe it.


But the Halo 2 BR wasn't broken.
Oh, is that why Bungie changed it, becasue you can't fix what isnt broken in the first place.


So if Bungie decides to change something, it must have been broken before hand, because, well, Bungie said so, and of course Bungie is always right.

Good work minion.

  • 07.01.2008 9:16 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

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Posted by: Chaoskeeper56
i think it's good the way it is. I have enough problems getting owned by it too much (i am not good with it in any way) I don't want to have my butt kicked even more!

It's gonna be alright. A change in the BR will not affect anything. You will still have your precious close range beatdown weapons. You will still be able to run around in your vehicles. You will still get owned just as much as you do now. The only thing that will change will be less WTF moments when using the BR.
I want less WTF moment when using my SMG. Maybe you should realize that changing the BR will affect Halo 3, wow, no logic at all.

Thank you for your pointless post. I was merely trying to explain to him and many others that a change in the BR will not affect the fact that Halo 3 is a close range game and a vehicle game. BR-grenade will be just as effective as it is now because it only takes one bullet to headshot. The problem is 4 shotting is very inconsistent because 3 shots do not take the shields out completely..

  • 07.01.2008 9:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: BakedPotatoLive
Posted by: Kirbeh
Posted by: BakedPotatoLive
Posted by: Kirbeh
Don't try to ride a broken bike, don't fire a broken gun, don't play a broken game, send it back to the manufacturer before you try to fix it and before humiliating yourself. Don't fix what isn't yours. Don't fix what isn't broken. You can modify what is already fixed.

Halo 3 BR is the fix for the Halo 2 BR, believe it.


But the Halo 2 BR wasn't broken.
Oh, is that why Bungie changed it, becasue you can't fix what isnt broken in the first place.


So if Bungie decides to change something, it must have been broken before hand, because, well, Bungie said so, and of course Bungie is always right.

Good work minion.



Ouch,. but he has a point, ive noticed and even noted that more people seem to prefer the physics and aspects to the Halo 2 BR then what Bungie has done to the Halo 3 BR. And it is clear and distinct that the H3 BR is so inconsistent with its spread and bullet to hit ratio (this is under the assumption that you are being accurate).

Oh and i feel the same because bungie changed it doesn't mean it was broken to begin with, they just felt it needed balancing for some odd reason. I always thought the Halo 2 BR after Patch was great and needed no adj, but they felt in the scheme of things it did, and why that is, i felt there explanation wasn't good enough. But then what i say doesn't make a difference because its been noted across the community as Bungie doesn't listen to what we say, they just do what they please, and we live with what they give when it comes to this game. Its not a Democracy its a Hypocrisy so again we have to submit to there wishes (again only when it comes to this game). But how many feel that if enough said that there should be a change that Bungie would actually change it. I firmly believe they wouldn't for the fact that there so deep in this subject now, to go back on there org design and explanation would mean defeat in some ways to this problem. And i doubt Bungie will or would want chew on its own words, it would rather let us live with a piss poor version of the BR then to change it for the better. Just My Opinion though.

[Edited on 07.01.2008 9:32 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2008 9:23 PM PDT

Proudly showing off his new apartment to a friend late one night, the drunk led the way to the bedroom, where there was a big brass gong.
"What's that brass gong for?" asked the friend.
"It's not a gong. It's a talking clock," the drunk replied.
"A talking clock? How's it work?"
"Watch this," said the drunk. He took a hammer, gave the gong an ear-shattering pound and waited. Someone on the other side of the wall screamed: "Hey, you jerk. It's 3:00 in the morning!"

i didnt play halo 2 so i dont know what the BR used to be like so........I like it the way it is!

(well i played campaign but not multiplayer)

  • 07.01.2008 9:27 PM PDT

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Due to the incessant amount of spam and repeat posting about the topic of the design of the Battle Rifle in Halo 3, all threads about it will be locked on sight and the author warned (then banned if they keep doing it). Please discuss the BR and your thoughts in this thread and this thread alone.

For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.

People expecting further Bungie responses on the issue are likely to be disappointed.
So, all the well thought out posts and mountains of evidence are now considered spam?

This thread is BS. It's sole purpose is to focus all the BR complaint posts into one place where you guys can ignore them. If you think that your reasons for the spread posted in the update are a satisfactory answer to the many questions and complaints people have concerning the spread, you are mistaken.

What exactly do you guys want on the front page of your forums? All the poorly written Blood Gulch and Recon threads? Or how about that 'Brutes in Matchmaking' thread? I love how you try to keep the forums free of spam, when pretty much every thread created is a useless suggestion that you guys have already stated to be impossible. Why arn't all the armor perm threads locked? You guys have already said that no new ones will be added, and yet people keep making the threads.

Why isn't well written constructive criticism toward the BR spread allowed anymore?

Oh it's allowed, it just goes in here now. And, yes, Bungie probably will ignore any more posts about it considering the creators know a bit more about weapon balance and have looked into a lot longer than those people who see it in the update and immediately think that they know the answer and that they know what is best for the community. Now don't give me a reply saying "Well, they're noobing the game up!" like so many other people, cause this game is made for everyone, even the people new to the game.

Now in response to the spam issue, I think he meant that the millions of seperate threads on the subject were spam, not the subject itself or else this thread would not be here for all of you whiners and self-procalaimed, pros, genii, and Bungie quitters.


It seems that 'ignorance', and people calling those with well thought-out criticisms 'whiners', go hand in hand.

The game is made for everyone yes, including the people new to the game. Your point? The game is also made for those interested in competitive gaming, those who like to push themselves. We may be the minority, but that doesn't make our opinions and views any less valid.

Bungie is doing us 'whiners' no favour by putting this thread here. There was already a 60+ page thread about the BR, in which a plethora of Halo players poured their views and emotions into. This thread is merely to convenience Bungie, just another way they can shy away from criticism. Because hey, they're Bungie, and they are always right. I mean, why would a game developer want to read intelligent discussion, when they could be reading about such intellectual stimulants such as; "Does T-Bagging Bother You?", "Elites in SWAT?" and who could forget, "Why can't I get my level 40?"

  • 07.01.2008 9:38 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

I hope this is Bungie's way of getting all the BR suggestions/opinions into one thread so they can read them easier, because they DO care about their consumers and are considering a patch.

One can only hope. :)

  • 07.01.2008 9:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
I hope this is Bungie's way of getting all the BR suggestions/opinions into one thread so they can read them easier, because they DO care about their consumers and are considering a patch.

One can only hope. :)


One can, but i wouldn't go holding your breath. If it happens I think people will probably just complain about it being to strong so whats the difference. I feel it needs a change, and some feel its great the way it is...random and inconsistant, and if they enjoy the inconsistancy then let them. After all like someone said earlier if you dont like the BR then dont use it...what a thought... :-/ And like i said earlier, Bungie doesn't care about this situation, they created this thread so we can get it out of our systems. Once everyone stops posting here, the topic will die along with the movement. But will the fan base go with it? Time will tell.

[Edited on 07.01.2008 9:56 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2008 9:52 PM PDT

Posted by: A DODGY HAJI
After all like someone said earlier if you dont like the BR then dont use it...what a thought... :-/


How about if they don't like the complaints, don't read them nor respond to them?

  • 07.01.2008 9:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: BakedPotatoLive
Posted by: A DODGY HAJI
After all like someone said earlier if you dont like the BR then dont use it...what a thought... :-/


How about if they don't like the complaints, don't read them nor respond to them?


I agree, allot of people have been flaming those who truly feel that there is a need for some improvement in the BR from its inconsistancy and its dropped bullets to its over all piss poor performance in comparison to its previous version.

  • 07.01.2008 9:58 PM PDT