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Subject: The Only BR Thread

Posted by: Honourable Elite
It's like someone who doesn't know how to aim can actually beat a really good person with the BR now. *Sighs* Do you really think casual gamers stay on Halo 3? It's pretty obvious this game is designed for them, it's like Bungie are forgetting their real fans now.


I'm sorry...but this argument is just ridiculous. Do you honestly have a problem outdueling rookies with the BR? You should be embarrased, not posting this publicly. Put a group of Commanders in a room versus a team of Captains in Team BRs and let's wager on who wins.

Second, as I've said thousand times over. The BR complainers, when compared to the hundreds of thousands who play matchmaking every night are a tiny minority and don't even come close to representing the "true fans." They aren't even a blip on the radar.

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Posted by: Shakespeare212
Posted by: Honourable Elite
It's like someone who doesn't know how to aim can actually beat a really good person with the BR now. *Sighs* Do you really think casual gamers stay on Halo 3? It's pretty obvious this game is designed for them, it's like Bungie are forgetting their real fans now.


I'm sorry...but this argument is just ridiculous. Do you honestly have a problem outdueling rookies with the BR? You should be embarrased, not posting this publicly. Put a group of Commanders in a room versus a team of Captains in Team BRs and let's wager on who wins.

Second, as I've said thousand times over. The BR complainers, when compared to the hundreds of thousands who play matchmaking every night are a tiny minority and don't even come close to representing the "true fans." They aren't even a blip on the radar.

Why should I be embarrassed? Because I state true facts about a video game? Sorry, my opinion stays the same, and you're not going to change it. And the reason why we can't be found is because we're all playing Halo 1 and 2. And I love how someone judges a player by his rank. Someone I know is just as good as me, sometimes gets more kills than me, he's a Commander Grade 2, I'm a Brigadier Grade 2.

  • 09.09.2008 1:36 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Shakespeare212
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"Actually," No.

First of all, it is difficult as hell to score 4 shot kills with the BR at any range, when up to only half of your bullets register during online play.

And the AR will kill faster then the BR at close to close-mid range. Regardless if your aim is perfect with the BR.


Maybe for you.

And anyone else, regardless of how good they are. The AR will kill faster at close to mid range if both are hitting their target perfectly. That is not even debatable.

And if your stats are any indication, unquestionably for you.

[Edited on 09.09.2008 3:35 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2008 3:33 PM PDT
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BR is pro
AR is not

but the AR is too powerful for a starter weapon
some people prefer it and they suck
anyway team slayer so be team BRs so people can choose what gun they want to use

  • 09.09.2008 3:34 PM PDT

Posted by: MadroKurgan
Posted by: Shakespeare212


Maybe for you.

And anyone else, regardless of how good they are. The AR will kill faster at close to mid range if both are hitting their target perfectly. That is not even debatable.

And if your stats are any indication, unquestionably for you.


LOL...that's cute...you think our stats are comparable when you've played 3 times as many ranked games as me...you're funny.

Thing is, bud, you don't know me from Adam, who I play with, or under what circumstances. You, on the other hand, have been telling everyone yourself that you have trouble winning BR duels against rookies because it's all "random" now. We don't have to guess about your particular gameplay challenges, now do we?

And ya...maybe the AR will kill faster if both players are standing still. I thought we were talking about people who actually know not to stand still when their getting shot at. Maybe if you practiced evading and, oh, I dont know...moved out of the way, you wouldn't have so much trouble defeating other players in BR duels.

Again, put a team of Generals vs. a team of Commanders in Team BRs, and lets wager on who wins.

Oh...and I see you earned your stats in Team Doubles...must be nice only having to worry about two enemies shooting at you. Try playing out on the real battlefield and come talk to me.

[Edited on 09.09.2008 4:28 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Shakespeare212
Posted by: MadroKurgan
Posted by: Shakespeare212


Maybe for you.

And anyone else, regardless of how good they are. The AR will kill faster at close to mid range if both are hitting their target perfectly. That is not even debatable.

And if your stats are any indication, unquestionably for you.


LOL...that's cute...you think our stats are comparable when you've played 3 times as many ranked games as me...you're funny.

Thing is, bud, you don't know me from Adam, who I play with, or under what circumstances. You, on the other hand, have been telling everyone yourself that you have trouble winning BR duels against rookies because it's all "random" now. We don't have to guess about your particular gameplay challenges, now do we?

And ya...maybe the AR will kill faster if both players are standing still. I thought we were talking about people who actually know not to stand still when their getting shot at. Maybe if you practiced evading and, oh, I dont know...moved out of the way, you wouldn't have so much trouble defeating other players in BR duels.

Again, put a team of Generals vs. a team of Commanders in Team BRs, and lets wager on who wins.

Oh...and I see you earned your stats in Team Doubles...must be nice only having to worry about two enemies shooting at you. Try playing out on the real battlefield and come talk to me.


Wow, you don't get it do you? Why would I have to put up with a major grade 2 out BRing me when hes walking in a straight line when I'm strafing/ ghandi hoppin around yet he four shots me while I've hit him 5 times and he doesn't die.... and yeah maybe he did earn his stats in doubles, so did I.. Face me in the 1v1 battlefield you random


[Edited on 09.09.2008 4:39 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2008 4:39 PM PDT

First off, take a breath and calm down.

Second...I don't seem to have this problem. Maybe you're just not as good at dodging as you think you are.

And team doubles is the fast way to earn a general rank because it eliminates dependency on the team element - it means you get less credibility than people who only play team games or unranked.

And you're a captain...2nd account much? Did it get too hard facing all those high-ranked players?

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Agreed, but I don't understand why anybody would want to talk noobs into using the BR. Next thing you'll clue them in that they should be on green thumb and sensitivity 10.

  • 09.09.2008 11:28 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Shakespeare212
Posted by: MadroKurgan
Posted by: Shakespeare212


Maybe for you.

And anyone else, regardless of how good they are. The AR will kill faster at close to mid range if both are hitting their target perfectly. That is not even debatable.

And if your stats are any indication, unquestionably for you.


LOL...that's cute...you think our stats are comparable when you've played 3 times as many ranked games as me...you're funny.

Thing is, bud, you don't know me from Adam, who I play with, or under what circumstances. You, on the other hand, have been telling everyone yourself that you have trouble winning BR duels against rookies because it's all "random" now. We don't have to guess about your particular gameplay challenges, now do we?

And ya...maybe the AR will kill faster if both players are standing still. I thought we were talking about people who actually know not to stand still when their getting shot at. Maybe if you practiced evading and, oh, I dont know...moved out of the way, you wouldn't have so much trouble defeating other players in BR duels.

Again, put a team of Generals vs. a team of Commanders in Team BRs, and lets wager on who wins.

Oh...and I see you earned your stats in Team Doubles...must be nice only having to worry about two enemies shooting at you. Try playing out on the real battlefield and come talk to me.

Sigh...

Way to assume yourself into ignorant bliss...

I did not get my 46 or 45 in doubles. I did it in Team Slayer a long time ago. I've been only playing doubles lately to help my friend get his 45.

I mainly play MLG, as i find BR starts and no radar much more rewarding and challenging.

And where have i said i've had problems winning BR duels against rookies? Way to pull that one out of your ass.

And i'd work you over with BR starts, and that is with half my bullets not counting.

What i was referring to in stats was your BR percentage of your kills, not your rank (that is why i said stats, and not rank... crazy logic, isn't it?). A percent is irrelevant of number of games, and in all actuality, the less games played you should have a higher % BR kills. Yours is very low, and you have very little kills with it, therefore your opinion on it weighs very little.

I love the BR, that is all i use. BUT i wish ALL my bullets would count. In every single game, at least 1/3 of my BR shots do not register. And if you think that is OK, no problem, all is well, then you obviously don't use the BR enough to realize it.

[Edited on 09.10.2008 3:16 AM PDT]

  • 09.10.2008 3:04 AM PDT

GT - YummCookie V2
Before you ask, I DON'T want to join your group!

Gamebattles team - Survival Theory

you aim. you pull the trigger, you shoot, it hurts people.

what could possibly be wrong with it?

Also i like how its realistic when their shields are gone it will kill them with a headshot.

common sense to me :D

[Edited on 09.10.2008 2:36 PM PDT]

  • 09.10.2008 2:35 PM PDT

Posted by: MadroKurgan
Sigh...

Way to assume yourself into ignorant bliss...

I did not get my 46 or 45 in doubles. I did it in Team Slayer a long time ago. I've been only playing doubles lately to help my friend get his 45.

I mainly play MLG, as i find BR starts and no radar much more rewarding and challenging.

And where have i said i've had problems winning BR duels against rookies? Way to pull that one out of your ass.

And i'd work you over with BR starts, and that is with half my bullets not counting.

What i was referring to in stats was your BR percentage of your kills, not your rank (that is why i said stats, and not rank... crazy logic, isn't it?). A percent is irrelevant of number of games, and in all actuality, the less games played you should have a higher % BR kills. Yours is very low, and you have very little kills with it, therefore your opinion on it weighs very little.

I love the BR, that is all i use. BUT i wish ALL my bullets would count. In every single game, at least 1/3 of my BR shots do not register. And if you think that is OK, no problem, all is well, then you obviously don't use the BR enough to realize it.


OR...maybe it has something to do with the fact that I play sniper for my team and spend a lot of the game running recon and shutting down flag runs...but hey thanks for playing...like I said, you don't know me from Adam...

And you're right, I was off base going for a cheap shot about where you got your rank...and I don't know you any better. Now, we could keep wasting everybody else's time on the BR forum, or we could stop taking shots at each others stats and talk about the BR? - But hey, if it makes you feel better you probably could beat me in BR starts - with the number of games you've played over me, that would be pretty embarrasing if you couldn't., wouldn't it?

But isn't the primary point you're making that the BR's random nature is unfair and therefore gives rookies a better chance of winning against veterans? You've just said that you don't have any trouble outgunning people you're better than...you can't have it both ways...either the BR helps rookies win, or it really doesn't effect the outcome of the game - which is it?

  • 09.10.2008 4:55 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Shakespeare212
Posted by: MadroKurgan
Sigh...

Way to assume yourself into ignorant bliss...

I did not get my 46 or 45 in doubles. I did it in Team Slayer a long time ago. I've been only playing doubles lately to help my friend get his 45.

I mainly play MLG, as i find BR starts and no radar much more rewarding and challenging.

And where have i said i've had problems winning BR duels against rookies? Way to pull that one out of your ass.

And i'd work you over with BR starts, and that is with half my bullets not counting.

What i was referring to in stats was your BR percentage of your kills, not your rank (that is why i said stats, and not rank... crazy logic, isn't it?). A percent is irrelevant of number of games, and in all actuality, the less games played you should have a higher % BR kills. Yours is very low, and you have very little kills with it, therefore your opinion on it weighs very little.

I love the BR, that is all i use. BUT i wish ALL my bullets would count. In every single game, at least 1/3 of my BR shots do not register. And if you think that is OK, no problem, all is well, then you obviously don't use the BR enough to realize it.


OR...maybe it has something to do with the fact that I play sniper for my team and spend a lot of the game running recon and shutting down flag runs...but hey thanks for playing...like I said, you don't know me from Adam...

And you're right, I was off base going for a cheap shot about where you got your rank...and I don't know you any better. Now, we could keep wasting everybody else's time on the BR forum, or we could stop taking shots at each others stats and talk about the BR? - But hey, if it makes you feel better you probably could beat me in BR starts - with the number of games you've played over me, that would be pretty embarrasing if you couldn't., wouldn't it?

But isn't the primary point you're making that the BR's random nature is unfair and therefore gives rookies a better chance of winning against veterans? You've just said that you don't have any trouble outgunning people you're better than...you can't have it both ways...either the BR helps rookies win, or it really doesn't effect the outcome of the game - which is it?

"either the BR helps rookies win, or it really doesn't effect the outcome of the game"... that my friend is called False Dichotomy fallacy.

The randomness of the BR affects the outcome of game regardless of skill lvl. When something is random for whatever reason, it will give greater and lesser chance of success for both the experienced and rookie. Randomness by nature is indifferent, it doesn't single out one group over another, and cannot be depended on.

My main problem with the BR, and in particular H3s necode, is the shoddy bullet recognition. Sometimes your BR bullets will register, and other times they will not. It's a roll of the dice as to whether your bullets will count. It is hard to rely on this type of inconsistency and randomness. And while i'd also like the BR spread to be tightened up, that is not my main concern.

[Edited on 09.10.2008 6:32 PM PDT]

  • 09.10.2008 6:29 PM PDT
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Please make the BR better or at least make it an option for competitive play.

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Personally, I love the BR. All the people complaining about it are obviously the ones that frequently get out BR'ed. I don't consider it a power weapon, as some of my friends do. It's a really well rounded gun that can beat the AR in most situations. I just need to tell everyone that prefers the AR to the BR, to just try and get good with the BR, because getting a 4 shot K0 is a really good feeling.

  • 09.10.2008 7:34 PM PDT

dont touch the Br, keep it the way it is. Dont like it=>use the carbine....dont like that =>make ur own game

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The BR is the only weapon in the game that has a random factor and at the highest levels of the game it can be VERY frustrating if you're mid-range BR-ing someone and they get their 4 shot but yours doesnt count because the random spread misses for you!

Why should there be one random weapon in a game based on constants?

  • 09.11.2008 5:36 AM PDT

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The BR is the only weapon in the game that has a random factor and at the highest levels of the game it can be VERY frustrating if you're mid-range BR-ing someone and they get their 4 shot but yours doesnt count because the random spread misses for you!

Why should there be one random weapon in a game based on constants?


WHHHHAAAA????

Are you playing the same game I am? The AR, Shotgun, BR, Carbine, and Mauler all have random bullet spread. The better question to ask is why in a game where there are random bullet spreads for sooo many other weapons should the BR be exempt. The answer: it shouldn't.

Oh and Madro, if you really are getting bullet refunds that often when you play, your internet connection is terrible. The only time I've noticed occasional "refunds" is in constant red-bar SBTB games.

~B.B.

  • 09.11.2008 8:27 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Oh and Madro, if you really are getting bullet refunds that often when you play, your internet connection is terrible. The only time I've noticed occasional "refunds" is in constant red-bar SBTB games.

~B.B.

I'm not getting bullets refunded back to my BR, they are just not counting. And my connection isn't the best, but it is not bad. It is DSL 512k up and down. But i also play on Cable 4m down and 356k up. I get bullets not counting on both connection every game frequently. Some times just one or two bullets, but other times 6 or more. And that is when i have 5 or 4 green bars.

  • 09.11.2008 3:28 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
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Posted by: MadroKurgan
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Oh and Madro, if you really are getting bullet refunds that often when you play, your internet connection is terrible. The only time I've noticed occasional "refunds" is in constant red-bar SBTB games.

~B.B.

I'm not getting bullets refunded back to my BR, they are just not counting. And my connection isn't the best, but it is not bad. It is DSL 512k up and down. But i also play on Cable 4m down and 356k up. I get bullets not counting on both connection every game frequently. Some times just one or two bullets, but other times 6 or more. And that is when i have 5 or 4 green bars.


Ahh...I thought you were talking about complete packet loss which causes the whole 'bullet refund' issue. You're talking mainly about noticeable latency and the perception problems of being a client. Alright, I understand now.

~B.B.

  • 09.11.2008 4:04 PM PDT

Alright, I have something thats been bothering me for a long time now.

Whenever its suggested that the BR have a tighter spread and longer range, people start to claim that it would make every other weapon obsolete.

Can you please tell me what weapon is currently used at ranges between the current BR range and the sniper rifle range? There isn't one. So how would increasigng the range of the BR make a weapon obsolete? All the close range weapons would still beat it at close range, they still wouldn't be able to beat it at long range, and the sniper rifle would still be able to beat it at long range. Nothing would change, except players would be able to be effective from more places on the map, and they would need to have better aim to get the full reward.

  • 09.11.2008 4:12 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

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Posted by: MadroKurgan
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Oh and Madro, if you really are getting bullet refunds that often when you play, your internet connection is terrible. The only time I've noticed occasional "refunds" is in constant red-bar SBTB games.

~B.B.

I'm not getting bullets refunded back to my BR, they are just not counting. And my connection isn't the best, but it is not bad. It is DSL 512k up and down. But i also play on Cable 4m down and 356k up. I get bullets not counting on both connection every game frequently. Some times just one or two bullets, but other times 6 or more. And that is when i have 5 or 4 green bars.


Ahh...I thought you were talking about complete packet loss which causes the whole 'bullet refund' issue. You're talking mainly about noticeable latency and the perception problems of being a client. Alright, I understand now.

~B.B.

Yes, client side problems... but latency is not the main issue with bullets not registering (many other games deal with latency differently then H3 - more visible latency and less bullet nonrecognition). From what i understand, it has to do mainly with H3's netcode twist on UDP protocol. I've never played a online FPS in where so many of my bullets do not register.

But i believe we already have entertained this netcode UDP, TCP protocol topic already in this tread. So i digress.

[Edited on 09.12.2008 4:37 AM PDT]

  • 09.11.2008 4:36 PM PDT

Something I posted in a different thread that I thought would be a relevant argument here...

The BR is random, and poorly designed. Think about how people fight in BR battles. Do they wait to be in range? Do they think, "Oh, I'm out of range of my opponent, I'll wait until I'm closer to engage"? NO. They think, "Holy -blam!-, some guy with another BR is shooting at me!" What do they do in this scenario? They shoot back.

So what situation are we in now? We have two players trying to kill each other with BRs despite being out of range. In this scenario, the spread of the BR makes the outcome of the encounter random. One player will get more shots with a lucky spread then the other. This happens to me all the time, especially on large, open maps (so almost every Halo 3 map).

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The good days were when the BR was not invented yet. not saying that i hate the BR its a good weapon but halo was more fun in halo 1 talking weapon wise

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Posted by: Shakespeare212
Posted by: Honourable Elite
It's like someone who doesn't know how to aim can actually beat a really good person with the BR now. *Sighs* Do you really think casual gamers stay on Halo 3? It's pretty obvious this game is designed for them, it's like Bungie are forgetting their real fans now.


I'm sorry...but this argument is just ridiculous. Do you honestly have a problem outdueling rookies with the BR? You should be embarrased, not posting this publicly. Put a group of Commanders in a room versus a team of Captains in Team BRs and let's wager on who wins.

Second, as I've said thousand times over. The BR complainers, when compared to the hundreds of thousands who play matchmaking every night are a tiny minority and don't even come close to representing the "true fans." They aren't even a blip on the radar.


One thing I don't understand is how everyone complains solely about the BR. The logic doesn't make any sense to me. They don't complain about spread on SMG's or any other weapon because they realize that spread keeps a gun inside a certain range. Without spread, we might as well have only snipers in the game. Halo is about more than just aiming (though that is a large part of it), it's about knowing your weapon and it's strengths/weaknesses and choosing your combo accordingly. Furthermore, realism does play a role (OMG, I used realism in a game that's in the future. I'm an idiot!). If you think about it, automatic weapons have a large amount of recoil and spread as in real life, to keep them balanced inside a certain range. Same thing with the burst weapon. Bungie, unlike the people who think they're "pro" community, realize that for gameplay purposes (unless you ONLY care about the aiming skillset) where they care about weapon control and strategizing about your weapons and how to get the weapons you need to counterattack, they need to have weapons that aren't omnipotent.

BTW, if you want to argue for a skill weapon, argue for scoping the pistol or making carbine starts possible. It's way too easy to get HS with a burst weapon. I hate how the "pros" love their BR from H2 when it's the easiest weapon to use and get HS with.

[Edited on 09.12.2008 8:23 AM PDT]

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