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Subject: The Only BR Thread

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

I was playing BTS last night (The fourteenth or september), and I noticed that if people complain about the BR so much, they should also complain about BTB, because it is a starting weapon for most BTB stuff. I also noticed though, that people were still trying to BR in AR fights, and yet again, I found that the braggarts used the BR all the time. I also noticed, though that just because they could use the BR did not mean that they were good. I checked the stats after the game, and saw that even though I did not use the BR as my main weapon (it was the chopper), I did the best out of everyone. My point is that the player makes the weapon, and the weapon enables the player, but does not make the player.

  • 09.15.2008 12:52 PM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Posted by: STOREFRONT
teh army shud make a real BR, three shot burst wud b awesome dun u think?


There is a real weapon like the BR, it is called the M-16, or the AR-15 in its civilian version.

  • 09.15.2008 12:57 PM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Posted by: Jake The Noob
No, it's not fine. I'm so sick of having to shoot someone 4 or 5 times when they have no shield from 10 feet away.


At ten feet away, pull out an AR or an SMG, and melee them.

  • 09.15.2008 1:29 PM PDT
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theres nothing wrong with the battle rifle

  • 09.15.2008 2:23 PM PDT
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but you suck....haha

  • 09.15.2008 3:07 PM PDT

i actually hate it compared to h2's battle rifle and thats because h3's takes no skill. Theres no quad shotting, bxring, bxbing, all it is now is whoever gets first shot and the only skill is just who can get more headshots quickest. But i guess if h3 is and seems to be a absolute easy game for everyone then its the best weapon in the game.

  • 09.15.2008 7:08 PM PDT
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The BR is the best all around gun. 4 bursts to the head usually means death. Close range, and AR or shotgun is a lot better tho.

  • 09.15.2008 7:22 PM PDT
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it is true that what im suggesting a tighter spread over closer distances. i think that br spread is a needed part of the mechanics but it is too big. over 80 WU u aren't gonna be shooting someone with a gun meant for midrange (even semi-long range) so why would u preach that someone would say the pr needs the ability to be a 4 shot sniper rifle. im saying that at a distance such as from snipe 2 to gold 2 i should be able to not have to worry bout my bullet shooting 1/2 a foot to either side missing him. across valhalla is a different matter. truthfully i like the halo 3 br better than h2 br because of the lack of auto aim. looking at my kills u can see i use the br the most. the ar is only on my list because i have to start with it and w/out a br. or else it would be around 5% of my kills (useful in close range). in my arguements im talking out the br itself. the real culprit in my opinion is bullet registration and lack of.

  • 09.15.2008 8:14 PM PDT
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It is not constructive criticism thats the problem. The BR is supposed to have a spread. Bottom line here is if you want a more powerful mid range to long range weapon then use the needler. LOL.

  • 09.15.2008 11:00 PM PDT

This thread has more people defending the spread then criticizing it, i'm curious why?
I always assumed that the thread was created for the sole purpose to rant/crit the BR not to show your dying passion for bungie.

  • 09.15.2008 11:17 PM PDT
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No my quote was to show my dying passion for Bungie.

  • 09.15.2008 11:19 PM PDT
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lol, there is a lot more defense over the new br than the old br cause the new br is closer to perfect than the old one. in h2 the br was too powerful and in h3 its a little too gimped but its still really powerful. u could argue that it lost very little to most players by the change besides that they don't get the piss beat out of them by ppl that were good with the br. bungie did everything right with the br cept they did a little too much (.025 of a WU on a max spread is all they over did it by lol) its still a powerful weapon and in the hands of someone that is good with it can define how a game goes more than any power weapon

  • 09.15.2008 11:23 PM PDT
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I just dont see whats to criticize about the BR. It seems perfect now. People are saying that they are experiencing inconsistencies about trying to four shot, but the only time i have this problem is when i shoot at the head for every shot. I never have a problem four shotting when i aim at the chest for the first 3 shots. Anyone else experience this.

  • 09.15.2008 11:25 PM PDT
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thats cause the chest is big enouph that the spread shouldn't matter. and people are still used (believe it or not) to h2 where they would aim for the head for all there shots. if bullet registration was fixed (which i think they are gonna try to do in au2) then there wouldn't be much to complain about. a spread is a spread and people can get used to it. like if i know that a bullet can shoot wide i will think to aim for the body more so i don't miss those crucial shots. plus the final head shot only takes 2/3 bullets to win the fight. 1 for the rest of shield 1 for death.

  • 09.15.2008 11:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cr4zy C4rl
it is true that what im suggesting a tighter spread over closer distances. i think that br spread is a needed part of the mechanics but it is too big. over 80 WU u aren't gonna be shooting someone with a gun meant for midrange (even semi-long range) so why would u preach that someone would say the pr needs the ability to be a 4 shot sniper rifle. im saying that at a distance such as from snipe 2 to gold 2 i should be able to not have to worry bout my bullet shooting 1/2 a foot to either side missing him. across valhalla is a different matter. truthfully i like the halo 3 br better than h2 br because of the lack of auto aim. looking at my kills u can see i use the br the most. the ar is only on my list because i have to start with it and w/out a br. or else it would be around 5% of my kills (useful in close range). in my arguements im talking out the br itself. the real culprit in my opinion is bullet registration and lack of.


I have no problem if you argue for a little tighter spread because you want the BR to be affective at slightly long ranges. I know it's just a matter of semantics, but arguing for BR spread tightening because it takes out chance (which isn't true, as stated before, because it just moves back the distance at which chance occurs) is wrong and is an MLG putdown of the regular Halo community used to make them feel inferior and to try to win their side of the argument.

I read more of your posts and I agree. I hate H2's BR because it had no restrictions and was essentially a 4 shot sniper. The range was way too far. With the AR and duals in H3, it's still very easy to 4 shot and win if you stay just outside melee range, and to give the BR that semi-close range power and then extend that all the way to long range is a mistake, IMO. As it stands, there are other viable options for weapons and you can move around the map. There were times in H2 where you absolutely couldn't move b/c the BR allowed the enemy to remain safely perched at great distances. Now you have a much better chance to move around.

As I said before I just wish the carbine was able to be a starting weapon b/c that's the weapon that takes skill. Not the BR. getting a HS with a BR is way too easy, and the burst is more forgiving if you have bad aim, as you still have a chance to land at least one bullet.

  • 09.16.2008 7:57 AM PDT
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the more i think about and read other peoples thoughts on the brs the more assume just to let the matter go and focus on an issue becoming more and more prevelent in my frame of mind. the bullet registration and lack there of. it pisses me off to no end when i see BLOOD spurt and not damage. like seriously wtf... i still think that the spread on the br is too much tho. if you think about it the distance across guardian from where you stand on snipe 2 to where u stand on gold 2 that is about 12-14 WU or 120 to 140 feet. which you would think would be the optimal range for a midrange weapon. i wouldn't mind if every so often a spoof happens and a bullet flies 1/2 a FOOT to the left or right of where i aimed but to say that there is as likely a chance for the bullet to go up to .023 (which i think should be the spread at that distance) to .000 is the same chance as .024 to .047 is ludicrous. but if bullet registration was fixed i would have a lot less "wtf" moments making it so i don't need to complain bout the br

  • 09.16.2008 8:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: mooshmoossh
I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.

I feel the same way


i Agree

  • 09.16.2008 8:24 AM PDT
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I agree that Snipe 2 to Gold 2 on Guardian would be a good range for the BR to not have a chance of missing if aimed perfectly. But that's my opinion. Like I said, I have no problem discussing changing the distance a little bit, but a lot of people who argue for it say that they want to take out chance, or their idea of moving it to longer ranges is ridiculous. I think you know what you're talking about, Carl.

As for bullet registration, I get upset too, but for me it's more likely due to lag and what I'm seeing is not what the host is seeing. I don't know how much of the game is registration vs. host discrepancy.

  • 09.16.2008 8:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: GIR091572
Posted by: mooshmoossh
I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.

I feel the same way


i Agree
So why are you three in this thread?

  • 09.16.2008 9:56 AM PDT
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yeah, host discrepencies are some of the main things that make bullet registration happen and obviously if i was to try and shoot the sniper from across sandtrap with my trusy br i would be fooling no one but myself as the snipe gets that easy kill lol. i think a good range would be the distance on last resort from the bottom of stairs at rock wall spawn base (on the grass or w/e right in front of shotgun) to bottom of stairs at other spawn base (straight across from windmill at original spawn on the ground) this should be just a little past the point of practicality saying useless. at this range your br should do very little let along 5, 6 or even 7 shot the opponent.

  • 09.16.2008 10:22 AM PDT

Posted by: Nokterne
So why are you three in this thread?

...Why should they leave?

I like the BR. It takes practice to lead a target, but not an extraordinary amount of skill. It's arguably the best weapon, and yet other weapons can hold their own against it. IMO Bungie did a great job with balance.

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Posted by: GIR091572
Posted by: mooshmoossh
I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.

I feel the same way
me 2 lolllolololololololoolollolololololololololololololollllloooo olllloolololololol

  • 09.16.2008 8:18 PM PDT

The game would be far better if the BR had no spread at all. To people saying you are happy with the BR it takes skill to lead, the spread has absolutely nothing to do with leading, the spread is basically the accuracy of the bullets compared to each other and the centre of the reticule. So if there was no spread the BR would take more skill because of it's consistency and the more skilled player would win more often - not the player with the lucky spread.

With regards to online play the BR in my opinion is actually underpowered for the majority of players in each game. The reason for this is that bullets don't register a lot due to host discrepancies so it is less effective than intended. So for the above reason I think removing the spread would actually make online play more balanced.

Another way of balancing the BR would be to reduce auto-aim so it is harder to aim.

  • 09.17.2008 4:21 AM PDT
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BR takes skill, and thats it intent, if the spread and accuracy were improved it would simply become too easy to use, get some skill and shhhhhhush up

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i think the tu2 is going to be improving bullet registration but im not sure.... and the br spread is needed for long distances cause if i see u across standoff i should have to plan to close the distance to u to be effective not just snipe u 4 times ftw

  • 09.17.2008 4:48 AM PDT