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y would someone complain about the design of a gun?

  • 09.27.2008 1:26 AM PDT

I beat down a Scarab.

Posted by: Dityman
y would someone complain about the design of a gun?

You idiot.

  • 09.27.2008 1:34 AM PDT

When it is better to kill some1 shooting at the neck rather than the head in a FPS, uve failed as a FPS developer

  • 09.27.2008 10:59 AM PDT

I like people talking about Realism with the Br Spread. THIS IS HALO!!, ur playing a 7ft super soldier. He shouldn't get recoil or have unaccurate weapons over long range

  • 09.27.2008 11:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: MANTRA 16 KLOWN
I like people talking about Realism with the Br Spread. THIS IS HALO!!, ur playing a 7ft super soldier. He shouldn't get recoil or have unaccurate weapons over long range


QFT. There is no realism in Halo! That's why there's no gravity, people don't die when bullets go through their brain, and there is no such thing as laws of physics so when a Hog hits you, you go flying....right. No realism.

No recoil over range? Dual SMGs are the new best weapon. Seriously, realism in terms of weapons balances the game very well. It allows for weapons to have a certain range. I completely disagree with you about the spread and recoil, but if you'd argue for a consistent spread, I'd understand.

  • 09.27.2008 12:24 PM PDT

DLE

the BR is fine. I just dont like that its semi auto. a single shot or even where you are able to switch between semi-auto and single would be cool.

  • 09.27.2008 1:27 PM PDT

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Good idea

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  • 09.27.2008 3:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1

So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It




I couldn't hav said it better

  • 09.27.2008 6:50 PM PDT
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wow dude. way to pass debate class with flying colors. in a halo 3 forum.

  • 09.27.2008 11:23 PM PDT
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i meant about scotty's post on the first page. sorry.

  • 09.27.2008 11:25 PM PDT
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i see alot of topics about this kind of thing and it all depends on the way you look at it. first off theres the casual gamer that doesent really matter if they win or lose. in the end they are going to go on and live hopefully succesessful lives. then there is the as one moderator called them "Hardcore Gamer" to them they want to make a carreer out of it. Of course not all of them will make it but some like Walshy made 70,000 dollars in '05 from playing H2. Hopefully in this post i can show people both sides of the Spectrum and hopefully create an easy solution to the problem.

First off the Casual Gamer

From playing games for both compettion and for fun i think the casual gamer is more about diversity and fun. A casual gamer doesn't want to go into a game controlled by 1 omni-powerful wepon such as H2's BR they want to go into a game and be able to use dual spikers and demolish that guy with a sweet beatdown. When a casual gamer picks up the BR and starts putting the shots a a mid range guy he might kill him which he should. But since the BR is rarely a used wepon it doesnt even matter but yes to them its a fiarly good wepon just to pick up and if you are mid range and out of AR with a 1 hit guy you can whip it out and kill him.

"Hardcore Gamer"

To a hardcore gamer, myself included, they like to see consistancy and im not talking about the BR neccisarilly. Most "hardcore gamers" have been playing Halo since H:CE(H1 BTW) unlike 4/5 H3 players. In H:CE the main and basically only wepon was the piston. Oddly enough the pistol was a 3 headshoot kill.Even though it only took 3 shots it took skill to use. Personally i think thats sort of rediculous. Bungie did make the right choice and made the BR. the BR in H2 after the patch was a 4 shot kill like it is in H3 (sort of) but only players who were very good at the game could 4 shot. Now since H3 came out the BR is no longer the best of wepons. the AR is now the more used and is probably better than the BR. Now the BR to "hardcore gamers" is too random to get a 4 shot kill even to pros who play the game 14 hours a day. Now im not saying it is impossible to get a 4 shot im just saying that it is more unlikely. To most casual gamers the BR "Just Takes more skill" but to most "hardcore gamers" it seems like randomness decides the battles. They think that if 2 people aim at the exact same place and fire at the exact same time from mid range then the outcome will be random which it is.

Bottom line is that so called "hardcore gamers" just want consistancy from game to game and just want the skill gap to be more noticable.


My Opinion

In my personal opinion i do think the BR is slightly too inconsistant exspeccialy on Xbox live. For example 3 days ago my connection was not as good as today and most of my shots bounced off . When i did get a OK connection 3 days ago i could aim at a person who was standing still from 10 feet away and get mabey a 5 shot. but today after i installed a firmware update and something magical happened and my connections pretty good. today i was noticing most of my shots werent bouncing off resulting in more kills and less bullet refund.

But of course H3 isint ment for just Xbox Live. On a local LAN match the BR seems so much better than Xbox Live. even though getting a 4 shot from close to mid range happens more often than normal i still think it is slightly too less.

To fix the problem of the BR i propose a couple of changes:

1.slightly lower the BR Spread
If you lowered the spread so that from the snipe tower on guardian to the top center you can 4 shot a target standing still by aiming directly at his mouth you would not be making what i think is a huge change but would make it just enough to make both casual and "Hardcore Gamers" happy through compromise. The "Hardcore gamers" get a better and more consistant spread while the casual gamer isint desroyed by one omni-powerful wepon.

2.Fix bullet registration
Halo 3 is the only game i know of where i am constantly losing stricktly from lag. In Shadow Run for example i have never gone into a game and constantly not got kills because the enemy should be dead. Im not sure if there is some coding problems or what but bullet registration should be fixed regardless of a change in the BR.

3.Create an option to have almost H2 like settings.
I know this one is a long shot but it would be awesome if there were simply a H2 BR button in your game set up screen. The button would make the BR a hitscan wepon with no spread like in H2. But in MatchMaking for normal ranked matches it would not be turned on.


All of these ideas would change the game to how both sides of the spectrum want it to be. Even though this post will be read by a whole 3 people who dont care i still continue to post this because H3 is one of the best games i have played and i just want it to be better.


And side note to flamers:
1. for all the guys sayiing "if you dont like the Br then GTFO" i would prefer not to because H3 is a next to amazing game that im just criticising so it can be better

2. for the people saying "MLG F-Tards are losers and have no skill and just use the BR and because they "CAN7 5NIP3 WITH I7 NOMORE"" i think you are wrong. Most "hardcore/MLG Gamers" think the way i do and just want to see consistancy in the games but in the long run they love the game. They just come off wrong.

3. For any other flamer you can say whatever but im still gonna push the BR thing just because i love the game

And finally i have to appologize for the millions of typos and for sideing things through Casual and Hardcore gamer. Im sorry thats just the way it really comes down to

  • 09.28.2008 1:33 AM PDT

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Why is this thread even here when a dozen BR topics get made everyday.......

  • 09.28.2008 2:22 AM PDT
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What is the point of complaining about something that can't and Won't be changed?

I like the design of the br, its not too big but it's not of unrealistic proportion.

  • 09.28.2008 2:54 AM PDT

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The BR inconsistency ruins SWAT big-time; and the carbines don't balance it out. I think there should be more than 4 carbines on the maps in SWAT, or for the next update Bungie makes carbines available as a weapon you can spawn with.

  • 09.28.2008 10:08 AM PDT
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No, everything you shot at the head 4 times with the BR. If you shot them at the head with a BR 4 times and they dont die, that means u suck at aiming. Bungie even made it so that when u aim at the head a little red dot appers, so keep an eye on that, if the red dot appers shot..

  • 09.28.2008 12:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: XGC Madrox
No, everything you shot at the head 4 times with the BR. If you shot them at the head with a BR 4 times and they dont die, that means u suck at aiming. Bungie even made it so that when u aim at the head a little red dot appers, so keep an eye on that, if the red dot appers shot..
that only if there still or running straight at you if not u have to lead it moron

  • 09.28.2008 1:19 PM PDT

tbh i love the br its my joint favourite weapon along with the sniper, probably because it has a scope on it which i like.

  • 09.28.2008 2:36 PM PDT
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F**k you Second-Accounter!

Carbine > BR

BR has an overpowered range (100m+).

The AR has an overpowered range (70m+).

Bungie has not expressed interest in changing the stats of either weapon, deal with it.

So what if you get owned by an AR at close range? And so what if I BR'd someone all the way across Sandtrap. Halo has never been, nor will it ever be balanced or realistic.

  • 09.28.2008 5:05 PM PDT
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this has nothing to do with the thread but can somone help me i got a perfection and 2 rampages today they were in my medal chest earlier now i have like no medals i need help getting them back i no it sounds wierd but if u dont beleave me go to my file share and watch them they were in team slayer like half my medals are taken away and my kills on career stats

  • 09.28.2008 5:22 PM PDT

And so what if I BR'd someone all the way across Sandtrap
Impossible. And the BR does not have an Overpower range, have you played Halo 1? I think its perfect in Halo 2 though.

  • 09.28.2008 6:47 PM PDT

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And so what if I BR'd someone all the way across Sandtrap
Impossible. And the BR does not have an Overpower range, have you played Halo 1? I think its perfect in Halo 2 though.

hate to say it there was no BR in halo

  • 09.28.2008 6:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sir Pyscho
Posted by: IKevsterI
And so what if I BR'd someone all the way across Sandtrap
Impossible. And the BR does not have an Overpower range, have you played Halo 1? I think its perfect in Halo 2 though.

hate to say it there was no BR in halo
But there was the pistol, which the BR replaced.

  • 09.28.2008 7:02 PM PDT

The main reason they won't fix the BR is b/c of all the average players out there. When they all disapear and they will. They will fix it, and even make a snipers playlist. It's sad that one of the best competitive FPS shooters made there game have a random factor in it. I'm not looking to get flamed, but sometimes the truth hurts.

  • 09.28.2008 8:01 PM PDT
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the only reason ppl dont like the BR anymore is cuz its more realistic and you cant cheat with is anymore, not more double shooting or BXR's

  • 09.28.2008 9:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: ZAK YEO
the only reason ppl dont like the BR anymore is cuz its more realistic and you cant cheat with is anymore, not more double shooting or BXR's
No, not even close.

  • 09.28.2008 9:49 PM PDT