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Subject: The Only BR Thread
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damn people are idoits leaving halo because of the BR, rly? i just read a thread about a guy who hates the BR because his 4 shot is getting robbed by one bullet not coming out of the gun. well all i have to say is shoot one more burst. i know its hard for him to understand but whatever. he prolly sucked with the BR anyway. i love the BR good weapon for the game

  • 09.28.2008 11:38 PM PDT

Posted by XGC Madrox
No, everything you shot at the head 4 times with the BR. If you shot them at the head with a BR 4 times and they dont die, that means u suck at aiming. Bungie even made it so that when u aim at the head a little red dot appers, so keep an eye on that, if the red dot appers shot..

What are you talking about, you're an idiot.

Online the BR is a joke and bullets hit your target but don't do damage, I have hit a guy with 24 bullets and still not killed him. My connection is more than sufficient and it is primarily the game to blame along with general lag. The other issue which has been described very clearly in an excellent post by Aperture is that the BR has a random spread so not only do the bullets not go where you aim them, the degree to which they are inaccurate is random.

Everybody is so misinformed about halo 3 and the player base now plays a game that is no longer fun and skillful or fair but a random AR beatdown fest. I no longer have any hope that this game will be improved.

[Edited on 09.29.2008 3:26 AM PDT]

  • 09.29.2008 3:24 AM PDT

I recently played some games on a local connection with my brother and his friend and the game is much more consistent but there are still so many aspects to the game that take hardly any skill. The BR on LAN is actually not that difficult to use, it not easy but it isn't that hard. The real skill in my opinion is getting the other players shields down the quickest and having a tricky strafe as getting a headshot with a burst isn't very difficult. Beatdowns are also incredibly easy to use and overpowered so if a player is near and gets the first shot its very difficult not to get beatdown.

I also played some halo 1 and it is so much better. We played free for all and they couldn't kill me because they didn't know how to aim with the pistol and didn't play smart. We played some 1v2s and I could still kill both of them a lot because they couldn't rely on easy beatdowns, spamming grenades that explode instantly or an inconsistent primary weapon that takes too long to kill people. The pistol is such a great weapon that takes skill and knowledge and believe me it is not easy to 3 shot people. I would say a 4 shot kill takes way more skill than a 4 shot kill with the BR in halo 3 on MLG settings (110% damage, 11 bullets).
The pistol also balances everything in the game so you always have a fair chance when you spawn of killing your opponent.

  • 09.29.2008 3:48 AM PDT
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Drop AR
Add SMG starts
I would be fine...

  • 09.29.2008 5:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: XxWarner84xX
The main reason they won't fix the BR is b/c of all the average players out there. When they all disapear and they will. They will fix it, and even make a snipers playlist. It's sad that one of the best competitive FPS shooters made there game have a random factor in it. I'm not looking to get flamed, but sometimes the truth hurts.


Except Halo has always had random factors in weaponry. Even the M6D did. So unless you want to complain that Halo isn't Marathon I'd suggest that you complaining about randomness for the sake of randomness isn't going to fly in the Halo universe.

~B.B.

  • 09.29.2008 7:58 AM PDT
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My biggest problem with the BR is it's ease of use. Why would I want them to make a gun more powerful that's already powerful enough and so simple to use. The burst factor makes it so easy to get headshots, it's ridiculous. Also, you only have to aim at the person four separate times. With a sniper, you often have to aim twice if you don't get the HS. Sure, the last BR round has to be a HS, but with the burst it makes it easy to at least get a 5 shot. Pistols are single shot and carbines are single shot, not to mention carbines require you to aim 9 separate times, and can only get 6 kills per weapon pickup as compared to 9 with the BR. BRs are way too easy and they are skilless. Why make them any better? If anything, make it more skillful to use (take away the burst and make it more like the carbine). If they made it like the carbine with single shot, more shallow clip, higher rate of fire, and less damage, I'd love it.

  • 09.29.2008 8:35 AM PDT
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The BR is perfect as it is. It's strong but you have to have some skill to use it properly if you don't want to be killed by some random dude with an AR.

BR<3<3<3<33<3333<33

  • 09.29.2008 10:36 AM PDT
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the gun is ok
the AR is trash
how can a gun hit a dude 7 times and drop shields
when it has a 32 clip
and then how can it need to hit them about 15 more times just to kill them.
or hit them just 3 times and kill them
the gun is way to unpredictable
and way to scruby
that is y br is ok
it is consitant

  • 09.29.2008 1:16 PM PDT
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sniper is best wep by far if you know how to use 1 if you get sniper and br just go for head to lower shields or kill the just br 1ce also now you can 4 shot people with br's i love long range :)

[Edited on 09.29.2008 1:59 PM PDT]

  • 09.29.2008 1:59 PM PDT

Ice Cold Killa!!!!!!

In my eyes the BR is far and away the most superior weapon of death in the halo universe so that means nothings wrong with it cuz its just fine the way it is.

  • 09.29.2008 2:04 PM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Posted by: sublime love
the gun is ok
the AR is trash
how can a gun hit a dude 7 times and drop shields
when it has a 32 clip
and then how can it need to hit them about 15 more times just to kill them.
or hit them just 3 times and kill them
the gun is way to unpredictable
and way to scruby
that is y br is ok
it is consitant


The BR is my backup on anlything less than a big map.
The AR is a weapon I have mastered.
AR skill is about melee.
The 32 round magazine means that it is more powerful.
Many of the bullets miss.
4 shots are almost impossible, as I typically emlee you to death first.
If there was no spread, it would be a sniper rifle with extra ammo.
You just do not like the idea of not having an ultimate gun.

  • 09.29.2008 2:44 PM PDT
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not exactly what i call "skill" but if your good with it, you have no problem with it.. its te people that die from it who have a problem with it.

  • 09.29.2008 3:28 PM PDT
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I heart the BR.
This is because it can shoot 4 shots lead to your head.
And thats lead like the metal found in water
not lead like someone following you.
If the BR was a person.
I would spam them everyday.
Be like hay,
I heart you BR!!
:D

  • 09.29.2008 3:47 PM PDT

i think the br is good but i think that when people are just starting an the earlyier ranks there should be more ar's i mean my sister just started playing and isnt use to it yet so she stopped playing because all she kept getting was br's and all so called noobs(boosters) kept beating her but even the new people can use a ar so i think they should have more ars for the lower ranks and more brs for the higher ranks so all higher ranks can stop complaining about how they keep getting ars and the noobs can stop complaining about the br

  • 09.29.2008 4:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: mortabunt
Posted by: sublime love
the gun is ok
the AR is trash
how can a gun hit a dude 7 times and drop shields
when it has a 32 clip
and then how can it need to hit them about 15 more times just to kill them.
or hit them just 3 times and kill them
the gun is way to unpredictable
and way to scruby
that is y br is ok
it is consitant


The BR is my backup on anlything less than a big map.
The AR is a weapon I have mastered.
AR skill is about melee.
The 32 round magazine means that it is more powerful.
Many of the bullets miss.
4 shots are almost impossible, as I typically emlee you to death first.
If there was no spread, it would be a sniper rifle with extra ammo.
You just do not like the idea of not having an ultimate gun.


you can't master a f**king AR its just spray and pray to god you get a beat down and anyone who knows how to half way use a BR is going to own your noob ass

  • 09.29.2008 4:33 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Prodigy117
Online the BR is a joke and bullets hit your target but don't do damage, I have hit a guy with 24 bullets and still not killed him. My connection is more than sufficient and it is primarily the game to blame along with general lag. The other issue which has been described very clearly in an excellent post by Aperture is that the BR has a random spread so not only do the bullets not go where you aim them, the degree to which they are inaccurate is random.

Everybody is so misinformed about halo 3 and the player base now plays a game that is no longer fun and skillful or fair but a random AR beatdown fest. I no longer have any hope that this game will be improved.

I recently played some games on a local connection with my brother and his friend and the game is much more consistent but there are still so many aspects to the game that take hardly any skill. The BR on LAN is actually not that difficult to use, it not easy but it isn't that hard. The real skill in my opinion is getting the other players shields down the quickest and having a tricky strafe as getting a headshot with a burst isn't very difficult. Beatdowns are also incredibly easy to use and overpowered so if a player is near and gets the first shot its very difficult not to get beatdown.

I also played some halo 1 and it is so much better. We played free for all and they couldn't kill me because they didn't know how to aim with the pistol and didn't play smart. We played some 1v2s and I could still kill both of them a lot because they couldn't rely on easy beatdowns, spamming grenades that explode instantly or an inconsistent primary weapon that takes too long to kill people. The pistol is such a great weapon that takes skill and knowledge and believe me it is not easy to 3 shot people. I would say a 4 shot kill takes way more skill than a 4 shot kill with the BR in halo 3 on MLG settings (110% damage, 11 bullets).
The pistol also balances everything in the game so you always have a fair chance when you spawn of killing your opponent.

I agree with you on both accounts.

1) H3 online is a frustrating mess; dropped bullets with BR making it unreliably inconsistent.
2) H3 off line is much better, but requires less skill and is all around less enjoyable then H1.

And sadly i too believe there is little hope for them ever fixing the netcode, seeing as nothing was done with it in TU2.

[Edited on 09.29.2008 5:00 PM PDT]

  • 09.29.2008 4:44 PM PDT
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Many of the things Bungie has done with the Battle Rifle really irritate me.

The Pistol in Halo 1 was a godsend. You can argue that it's unbalanced as you want, but it rewarded players who had terrific aim. And don't you think they deserve to be rewarded?

1) Leading your shots.

On LAN it's ok, but online is a nightmare. SWAT is a particularly great playlist if you want to find out how inconsistent the lead really is. On several occasions (and this doesn't just apply to SWAT) I have had to lead my targets who were just ten feet away. I know this isn't Bungie's fault, but they could have found ways around this: i.e., bye making the Battle Rifle a hitscan weapon. This wouldn't eliminate the problem, but it would reduce it. Bullets should not travel that slow. And if there are any balance issues - such as ease of aim - then Bungie could just reduce the autoaim further.

2) Random Tendencies

Yes, I'm beating a dead horse, but it still irritates me. The internet is random enough; why the hell did Bungie feel the need to further randomize the game? That's really a terrible way to balance a game.

3) Huge spread

If players can hit someone 150 meters away in the head, without much help from autoaim and only a 2x scope, don't you think their terrific aim deserves to be rewarded?

  • 09.29.2008 5:05 PM PDT
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I think the BR is the perfect gun thats why you should start with it in every playlist and gametype i think bungie should get rid of AR starts in matchmaking and change it so BR starts with AR as Secondary!

  • 09.29.2008 5:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Breezy131
Many of the things Bungie has done with the Battle Rifle really irritate me.

The Pistol in Halo 1 was a godsend. You can argue that it's unbalanced as you want, but it rewarded players who had terrific aim. And don't you think they deserve to be rewarded?

1) Leading your shots.

On LAN it's ok, but online is a nightmare. SWAT is a particularly great playlist if you want to find out how inconsistent the lead really is. On several occasions (and this doesn't just apply to SWAT) I have had to lead my targets who were just ten feet away. I know this isn't Bungie's fault, but they could have found ways around this: i.e., bye making the Battle Rifle a hitscan weapon. This wouldn't eliminate the problem, but it would reduce it. Bullets should not travel that slow. And if there are any balance issues - such as ease of aim - then Bungie could just reduce the autoaim further.

2) Random Tendencies

Yes, I'm beating a dead horse, but it still irritates me. The internet is random enough; why the hell did Bungie feel the need to further randomize the game? That's really a terrible way to balance a game.

3) Huge spread

If players can hit someone 150 meters away in the head, without much help from autoaim and only a 2x scope, don't you think their terrific aim deserves to be rewarded?


Actually - what most people don't understand is the fact that the pistol wasn't unbalanced in any way. At any single range it was beatable - it's just that you always had the chance, if you were skilled, to beat the person with a "better gun".

close range - the plasma pistol / plasma rifle (with their slow down effect) reigned supreme in close range combat. The shotgun also wrecked house.

Mid range - the rocket launcher owned the pistol. 'Nuff said.

Long range - the sniper (and I don't care what anybody says - people who were equally skilled and one had the pistol and one had the sniper - the sniper would win every time).

In Halo 2 - unless you added double shotting / Bxring / Bxbing into the equation - the Br was a worthless weapon against anything essentially. Close range - the shotgun (on LAN) demolished it - as did any dual wield (if you played with those types of settings) the rocket launcher tore it up mid range - and with the spread and the autoaimed sniper - a sniper would be hard pressed not to beat a Br wielder from long range. It's just that it was the only weapon (besides the sniper if a player was lucky enough) that could be used at all ranges effectively.

In Halo 3 we have an overpowered spray and pray weapon for close range - also overpowered melees that take little to no manual dexterity to execute. At midrange - the rocket launcher still reigns supreme - but it is severely underpowered. And for long range - the Br couldn't hope to take on a sniper. We now have a game that is significantly unbalanced (some weapons you don't even want to pick up - except the needler, could you say that about Halo 1). Halo 3 sounds like Halo 2 in terms of balance issues - except the Br was actually consistent in H2.

The Halo series was meant to be a medium-paced shooter - not tactical like a R6V style of game - nor ultra-fast paced like a UT style shooter where aiming and speed reigns supreme - it was meant to have some elements of teamwork, but also a run and gun nature to it. Halo 3 has slowed Halo's pace down to the level of tactical shooter - except most tactical shooters have guns that kill instantaneously when you shoot someone in the head. What happens when you strip that characteristic from a tactical shooter - and make it take 4 shots to kill? You get a dull, boring experience not unlike Halo 3's right now.

I really hope some people pick up H:CE for the 360 when it becomes free in the arcade. Even if they just play through the campaign they will realize Bungie -blam!- up big-time when it comes to the later entrances to the series...


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Yes, I am aware of what the Pistol's weaknesses are. I just put that in for the people who clearly haven't played the original Halo.

I really hope some people pick up H:CE for the 360 when it becomes free in the arcade. Even if they just play through the campaign they will realize Bungie -blam!- up big-time when it comes to the later entrances to the series...
Quoted for truth.

  • 09.29.2008 6:18 PM PDT

3 words , br is awsome

  • 09.29.2008 9:56 PM PDT

I wander the Lost Woods...

Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


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Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.


Holy....?

  • 09.29.2008 10:44 PM PDT

Nocturnal Link

That post is almost completely irrelevant. The Halo 3 BR is completely different to the Halo 2 BR. Making the Halo 3 BR more accurate and consistent would make it nothing like the Halo 2 BR. It would not be hitscan, it would not have button glitches, it would not be easy to aim, it would require leading. As suggested by myself and others a reduction in auto aim/aim magnetism could balance the added range if necessary however it would still be very hard to use at long range and why should players with very good accuracy not be rewarded for that skill?

  • 09.30.2008 4:28 AM PDT

BR ruleZ whats wrong with it?

  • 09.30.2008 8:12 AM PDT