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Subject: The Only BR Thread
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the br is just perfect on how it is right now i doesnt have to change

  • 10.09.2008 7:46 PM PDT
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The Battle Rifle is good as a weapon, but the BR slayer is sometimes annoying because you can use all the other weapons too. I mean, in Team Rockets or Snipers you can't use a freakin' spiker..

  • 10.10.2008 1:54 AM PDT

Bloody Rogers

i think i like the halo 2 BR better. if only the BR was as strong as the AR at meleeing it would be the ultimate weapon

[Edited on 10.10.2008 6:24 AM PDT]

  • 10.10.2008 6:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: X360wizard
i think i like the halo 2 BR better. if only the BR was as strong as the AR at meleeing it would be the ultimate weapon


It doesn't matter what weapon you melee with, (besides the Energy Sword and Objective items) it is the same damage. The problem is that most people try to BR people with ARs at nearly point-blank range, they never win because the AR is superior at that range. At a longer range however the Four Shot BR will always come out on top.

  • 10.10.2008 7:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Air Sparrow
Posted by: X360wizard
i think i like the halo 2 BR better. if only the BR was as strong as the AR at meleeing it would be the ultimate weapon


It doesn't matter what weapon you melee with, (besides the Energy Sword and Objective items) it is the same damage. The problem is that most people try to BR people with ARs at nearly point-blank range, they never win because the AR is superior at that range. At a longer range however the Four Shot BR will always come out on top.


Weapon damage is a factor in fights. There was an amazing write up on this before, which I don't think I saved, unfortunately, but I'll look for it.

THIS site isn't what I was thinking, but it tells you different melee damages. You can figure this out by meleeing, then using a known projectile damage to finish the kill and use the difference as the melee damage. It adds a little tactical thinking to what weapon you carry.

[Edited on 10.10.2008 9:20 AM PDT]

  • 10.10.2008 9:03 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: fifthderelicte
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Posted by: X360wizard
i think i like the halo 2 BR better. if only the BR was as strong as the AR at meleeing it would be the ultimate weapon


It doesn't matter what weapon you melee with, (besides the Energy Sword and Objective items) it is the same damage. The problem is that most people try to BR people with ARs at nearly point-blank range, they never win because the AR is superior at that range. At a longer range however the Four Shot BR will always come out on top.


Weapon damage is a factor in fights. There was an amazing write up on this before, which I don't think I saved, unfortunately, but I'll look for it.

All the projectile weapons have the same melee damage, except the brute shot (the brute shot has increased melee damage) that i'm aware of. Or that make a significant difference.

[Edited on 10.10.2008 9:25 AM PDT]

  • 10.10.2008 9:22 AM PDT

Comin' down in three-part harmony.

There are tons of Bungie employees who play Halo 3, am I right everyone else?!

I messed up this post... please refer to my other post on this thread

[Edited on 10.10.2008 11:11 AM PDT]

  • 10.10.2008 11:08 AM PDT

Comin' down in three-part harmony.

Posted by: Nokterne
Posted by: My awesome AR
Bungie made the BR how they want it, not how the community wants it. 'Nuff Said.
Yeah, and who plays the game?


There are tons of Bungie employees who play Halo 3, are there not?!

  • 10.10.2008 11:10 AM PDT
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Uh...You melee first then you BR the face, that is how the BR is superior to the AR

  • 10.10.2008 11:57 AM PDT
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Its a weapon that takes no skill :P

  • 10.10.2008 12:01 PM PDT

hey

Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


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Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.
still halo 2 br was beast no matter what....

  • 10.10.2008 12:15 PM PDT
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bring back the halo2 BR

  • 10.10.2008 3:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: MadroKurgan
Posted by: fifthderelicte
Posted by: Air Sparrow
Posted by: X360wizard
i think i like the halo 2 BR better. if only the BR was as strong as the AR at meleeing it would be the ultimate weapon


It doesn't matter what weapon you melee with, (besides the Energy Sword and Objective items) it is the same damage. The problem is that most people try to BR people with ARs at nearly point-blank range, they never win because the AR is superior at that range. At a longer range however the Four Shot BR will always come out on top.


Weapon damage is a factor in fights. There was an amazing write up on this before, which I don't think I saved, unfortunately, but I'll look for it.

All the projectile weapons have the same melee damage, except the brute shot (the brute shot has increased melee damage) that i'm aware of. Or that make a significant difference.


Nope. I just checked it out. Maulers and spikers give you a one shot PP advantage (2.5 body points) compared to sniper, AR, etc. I'm sure the site I linked to would check out if you did all the math and checking yourself.

  • 10.10.2008 5:52 PM PDT
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its one of the best weapons in halo but it would be even better if it had a silencer on it

  • 10.10.2008 6:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Due to the incessant amount of spam and repeat posting about the topic of the design of the Battle Rifle in Halo 3, all threads about it will be locked on sight and the author warned (then banned if they keep doing it). Please discuss the BR and your thoughts in this thread and this thread alone.

For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.

People expecting further Bungie responses on the issue are likely to be disappointed.
SOmeone wants forum views.. and someones abusing there privileges

  • 10.11.2008 12:14 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: fifthderelicte
Posted by: MadroKurgan

All the projectile weapons have the same melee damage, except the brute shot (the brute shot has increased melee damage) that i'm aware of. Or that make a significant difference.


Nope. I just checked it out. Maulers and spikers give you a one shot PP advantage (2.5 body points) compared to sniper, AR, etc. I'm sure the site I linked to would check out if you did all the math and checking yourself.

I don't doubt you. But with the exception of the bruteshot, all the other projectile weapons melee damage difference is negligible. Meaning... if both your health is the same and both melee, both will die. So the slight increase in some of the weapons melee makes no difference if both melee. With the bruteshot in the same case scenario, the one without the bruteshot will die in the simultaneous melee.

[Edited on 10.11.2008 9:24 AM PDT]

  • 10.11.2008 9:22 AM PDT
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the br is fine as it is

  • 10.11.2008 9:33 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: MASTERFLUX1
the br is fine as it is

thanks for the input

  • 10.11.2008 9:37 AM PDT

Do Work! Do Work! Do Work! Do Work! Do Work! Do Work!

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I suck with the BR.

  • 10.11.2008 10:20 AM PDT

There is nothing wrong with the battle rifle, all weapons were made to have their own strengths and weaknesses, instead of spending time complaining about it, just try to enjoy it how it is. Recently, the battle rifle has been the weapon I have used most often.

  • 10.11.2008 3:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: ezy goin
There is nothing wrong with the battle rifle,

Oh yes, there certainly is.

all weapons were made to have their own strengths and weaknesses
Making a weapon behave randomly is a terrible way to balance it.

instead of spending time complaining about it, just try to enjoy it how it is
I don't really enjoy it when I know the result of a BR vs. BR duel is random. The internet makes things random enough, and Bungie's brilliant design team made things even more random.

  • 10.11.2008 3:47 PM PDT
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You would've thought that after the length of this debate, those who don't like the BR will of shut up and got used to it by now. "OMG! Bungie Broke The BR!" Tbf, it is Bungie's game, so really it's up to them what they do. Why not moan about how the Fuel Rod Gun got changed? Oh right, because it's trivial! As is the spread of the BR! Just get over it.



[Edited on 10.11.2008 4:32 PM PDT]

  • 10.11.2008 4:29 PM PDT
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The only problem with the Br: its not the starting weapon for everything. make Team Slayer with the BR, not the assault rifle. and make team AR's or something.

  • 10.11.2008 6:46 PM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Posted by: X360wizard
i think i like the halo 2 BR better. if only the BR was as strong as the AR at meleeing it would be the ultimate weapon

No it would not be, there would still be the lack of CQB orientation, with the lack of LRB effectiveness.

  • 10.11.2008 7:02 PM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Team AR's make the the game 70% of the time, and you have a deal.

  • 10.11.2008 7:03 PM PDT