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Subject: The Only BR Thread
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bR iZ kOOl

  • 10.17.2008 4:27 PM PDT

really, i think the only reason anybody ever has a problem with th BR is if they arent skilled with it and they wish they were cuz its ez to get owned by it. personally i luv it. its my fav gun. But when i first got Halo 2 and 3, i hated it. never used it at all. Then i got into MLG and competitive gaming and that all changed. Overall though, the BR seems to be the ultimate weapon. The golden gun, some may call it. Its range is perfect and the rate of fire matches it. Really, a skilled person with it can own an AR at short range. I have at least.

  • 10.17.2008 5:12 PM PDT

Creator of FORGER'S RPG

One of my favorite weapons. I dont want it to change.

  • 10.17.2008 8:09 PM PDT
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i only use the br more in canpaign if i have the grunt birthday party skull turned on so that the grunt heads blow up. lol

  • 10.17.2008 10:01 PM PDT

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I like very much but i think yhe unique problem it has is that is team swat it doesnt register u shot at ur foe's head (especially with elites) I can tell u this because im an elite and sometimes i shoot at their head and they survive and sometimes thhey shoot at my head and I survive.

  • 10.17.2008 10:21 PM PDT

WHat is wrong with the BR
its my favourite gun, it's how it was in halo 2 its a good gun. if you dont like it dont use it...

  • 10.19.2008 12:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: cameron186
WHat is wrong with the BR
its my favourite gun, it's how it was in halo 2 its a good gun. if you dont like it dont use it...
You are partially correct. The Halo 3 BR is similar to how it was in Halo 2...pre patch. Halo 2 post-patch is a different story.

"Don't use it"? What other mid-ranged weapon is there on most maps? I'm not going to abandon using a weapon just simply because I don't like an aspect of it.

  • 10.19.2008 1:07 AM PDT
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i really think it would be cool so that the br would have a red beam so you can aim good in the long range scope - kills.

  • 10.19.2008 5:54 AM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

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Posted by: cameron186
WHat is wrong with the BR
its my favourite gun, it's how it was in halo 2 its a good gun. if you dont like it dont use it...
You are partially correct. The Halo 3 BR is similar to how it was in Halo 2...pre patch. Halo 2 post-patch is a different story.

"Don't use it"? What other mid-ranged weapon is there on most maps? I'm not going to abandon using a weapon just simply because I don't like an aspect of it.


Did bungee tone down the post patch halo 2 BR? My fourshots did not register, and I could shoot entire clips into people, yet they could fourshot me.

  • 10.19.2008 6:25 AM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Try saying that durring VIP, that was epic failure. The AR is often more import in how a game turns out because there are more AR starts.

  • 10.19.2008 6:28 AM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Posted by: Breezy131
Posted by: fifthderelicte
how else do you propose they fix it?

What is there to fix?

I'm going to assume you mean "balance", so disregard what I say if I'm wrong.

There are plenty of other ways to balance it without snatching control from the hands of the player. You like to say the Battle Rifle takes no skill compared to the Carbine, so why not steepen the learning curve? Let's reduce the auto-aim, reduce bullet magnetism, make it single-shot. Pick one (or several), I don't care.

The problem with everyone saying that randomness is a factor is that they don't realize it isn't a factor....FOR THE INTENDED RANGE

So, this qualifies as outside the Battle Rifle's intended range?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClMojJI3zBs

Clearly random, so I guess that is outside the Battle Rifle's range.

if you use it within that range, there is not luck involved
You know, I can't believe you think this. Look at your average Shotgun vs Shotgun fight or Hammer/Sword duel. How can you say that there is no luck involved? If you're host, you're lucky. If you're not, too bad. Luck is a significant factor. Why do you think ShWATguns and Team Melee were so hated? Yes, there were other factors, but mostly it was because the internet had more control on the outcome of the game than the players did.

A lot of people argue for a tighter spread here, but not lack of randomness.
Well, I also think the Battle Rifle could have its range amped up. But I also think there ought to be a way to mitigate random tendencies, much the way you could in Halo 1 with the M6D.

My suggestions, if you wanted to take randomness away, would be to have a consistent spread and maybe increase the reticule size just a little, which would allow one to factor for spread, but make it harder at distances unintended.
I don't really think reticule size is what makes things harder to aim/account for bullet trajectories. The Sniper Rifle has a tiny reticule and requires tremendous aim.

I think that if you want to make a weapon harder to use long range you have to give it low auto aim. It's already pretty hard to hit someone, while strafing back and forth, from one base to another on Standoff with a Battle Rifle, so giving it a consistent burst would merely reward players with excellent dexterity, not making it easier to use.

Posted by: mortabunt
Something that is ironic. If the BR is about 7 times more accurate than the shotgun, why are they not -blam!-ing about the shotgun spread?

Because the Shotgun is not nearly as important to the outcome of a game as the Battle Rifle
is. Besides, the Shotgun spread does suck.


Shotgun is very important on close up maps and in things like VIP and assault. Get a full tube into the VIP, one point for you, get it into the enemy base, let the blood flow.

  • 10.19.2008 6:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: mortabunt
Shotgun is very important on close up maps and in things like VIP and assault. Get a full tube into the VIP, one point for you, get it into the enemy base, let the blood flow.

Not as important as the Battle Rifle. There's a reason that the Battle Rifle is at the top or near the top on everyone's service records, and that's because it's the most versatile weapon. The Shotgun is too specialized for it to ever have as much an impact on gameplay as the BR does. And I think it's a bad thing that Bungie deliberately randomized it.

  • 10.19.2008 7:40 AM PDT

when the census came around, for religion I put Bungie.

BR FTW woot it is amazing

  • 10.19.2008 8:23 AM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

The reason that the shotgun is low is because they are rare, and they are specialized. The only time I have ever lost to a BR in CQB was if that get the melee first, otherwise, I AR'd them to death. Using the BR in CQB is your ticket to death!

  • 10.19.2008 8:30 AM PDT
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How do all you Bungie suck ups not have a problem with your bullets not registering and having your bullets miss when shooting at mid ranges? I really don't get it. The BR has so many flaws and so does this game. Thats why CoD4 has so many more players than h3. h3 has so many flaws it isn't even fun to play. Its just frustrating. Why would Bungie allow such flaws to make it into their game? i know that everybody at my school used to LOVE h1 and h2 because it was fun to play. h3 is just trash and they all play CoD4 now. Please Bungie, by the time Halo 3 Recon comes out, do everybody a favor and fix bullet registration, hit detection, and reduce the BR spread JUST A LITTLE. It really wouldnt hurt, and if you cant atleast fix the BR spread, make it an option in Forge or in the customs lobby to change. The BR is absolutely ridiculous in this game and needs to be fixed.

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  • 10.19.2008 2:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: mortabunt
Did bungee tone down the post patch halo 2 BR? My fourshots did not register, and I could shoot entire clips into people, yet they could fourshot me.
Is that an attempt to make fun of me? It seems that you're implying that I can't four-shot anyone.

[Edited on 10.19.2008 2:56 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2008 2:56 PM PDT

dgteske a.k.a. I97 Spartan

The BR is great the way it is. Four shots to the head and your done, why do people think its broken!

  • 10.19.2008 7:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: dgteske
The BR is great the way it is. Four shots to the head and your done, why do people think its broken!

Because it's so random. Because it's so inaccurate. Because the most widely used weapon in the game should not behave so inconsistently.

  • 10.19.2008 8:03 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Sane117
really, i think the only reason anybody ever has a problem with th BR is if they arent skilled with it and they wish they were cuz its ez to get owned by it. personally i luv it. its my fav gun. But when i first got Halo 2 and 3, i hated it. never used it at all. Then i got into MLG and competitive gaming and that all changed. Overall though, the BR seems to be the ultimate weapon. The golden gun, some may call it. Its range is perfect and the rate of fire matches it. Really, a skilled person with it can own an AR at short range. I have at least.

Thanks for the insight. [/sarcasm]

  • 10.20.2008 3:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Breezy131
Posted by: dgteske
The BR is great the way it is. Four shots to the head and your done, why do people think its broken!

Because it's so random. Because it's so inaccurate. Because the most widely used weapon in the game should not behave so inconsistently.

You're only as powerful as your opponent.

  • 10.20.2008 9:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: dgteske
The BR is great the way it is. Four shots to the head and your done, why do people think its broken!


Except that when someone is one shot and my ONE shot wont even hit there head because the spread and registration sucks. and SWAT it really makes it apparent. Why do people think the BR is fine?

  • 10.20.2008 10:31 AM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

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Posted by: mortabunt
Did bungee tone down the post patch halo 2 BR? My fourshots did not register, and I could shoot entire clips into people, yet they could fourshot me.
Is that an attempt to make fun of me? It seems that you're implying that I can't four-shot anyone.


No, I mean that literally, I could not get my fourshots to register. (It is probably a conspiracy if bungie did not weaken the BR again.)

  • 10.20.2008 2:49 PM PDT
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i like it but i think it should shoot a little faster.

  • 10.20.2008 6:25 PM PDT
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I agree. I mean if you don't like the BR, don't use it, use a damn carbine!
Posted by: x IndoUnggoy x
The BR is fine the way it is. I don't understand why people complain so excessively about it.

  • 10.20.2008 7:12 PM PDT