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Subject: The Only BR Thread
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Oh Really?

I Dont see what is wrong with its design

  • 10.23.2008 2:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: HaIocrap
BR > AR

/.....discussion?
no its ar>br

  • 10.23.2008 4:44 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
For all the people complaining about "randomness" and then suggesting a reduction to BR spread is idiotic. Reducing the spread doesn't reduce "randomness". Only eliminating it would and that will never and should never happen.

~B.B.

What you say is 100% correct, but if the spread was decreased it would also have an effect on the randomness. Not in making it less random, but the randomness would be insignificant in its unfavorable outcome; less noticeable.

So i vote to decrease the spread and keep the randomness, just like the Halo 1 pistol.

But in all honesty, if they could just clean up the netcode i'd be more then happy with the BR. Having much of my bullets not count is 10x worse then any randomness or spread.

As is, H3 online netcode is too broken for me to play it much at all. The time that i do have to spend playing games is spent playing CoD4. It is a shame really, because i enjoy H3 more, but having so many of my bullets not register takes all the fun out of the game for me. Oh well.

[Edited on 10.24.2008 2:48 AM PDT]

  • 10.23.2008 8:18 PM PDT
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thing is people carbines alot harder to use than the battle rifle and if used correctly carbine beats br every time even if br gets 1 shot off first

  • 10.24.2008 1:37 PM PDT
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I think that more people complain about how cheap it is. I think it's an excellent tool. You just have to know how to use it.

  • 10.24.2008 11:07 PM PDT
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Join SIP or die!

I wish there i always spawn with the BR.

  • 10.25.2008 12:38 AM PDT
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OH MY GOD I ACTUALLY HAVE TO WALK TO A BR SPAWN TO USE IT! OMFG!

Sure a BR spawn is nice, but it isn't the be all and end all. It just means you have to play slightly differently. Also I think this opinion comes from people who play nothing but Slayer. Can you imagine spawning with a BR in King of the Hill on Multi Team? What nonsense. The game and the weapon isnt designed for that.

As much as I prefer the BR, the AR is designed to be the all purpose utility weapon of the game, nothing special, but it provides you with a solid utility to pick up kills. If you aren't happy with that, sucks to be you. Because I love Halo 3, I actually enjoy it for what it is, rather than pining about small issues which makes no difference what so ever. Especially to casual gamers.

The MLG has made everyone think they're "pro" when they're not.

  • 10.25.2008 11:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: Neon Stig
Also I think this opinion comes from people who play nothing but Slayer

I support BR starts, and I often play Objective.

Can you imagine spawning with a BR in King of the Hill on Multi Team?
Much better than the melee fests they are now.

the AR is designed to be the all purpose utility weapon of the game
If that's the case Bungie failed miserably. It's hardly useful beyond about five feet.

pining about small issues which makes no difference what so ever
Whether the Battle Rifle or Assault Rifle should be the default starting weapon is not a small issue.

The MLG has made everyone think they're "pro" when they're not.
I don't know why you felt the need to say that. That certainly isn't why many people want the Battle Rifle to be the default starting weapon and it certainly isn't the only argument for making the BR the default starting weapon.

  • 10.25.2008 11:51 AM PDT
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It does not need anything new at all.

  • 10.25.2008 11:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
My thoughts:

*The BR was designed with strengths and weaknesses.
*The weaknesses were added in to offset the strengths.
*It takes skill to use the BR like JonnyOThan said.
*The BR is as effective as it was designed to be.
*Bungie DOESNT have to fix the BR because it is the way they want it to be.

So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It




QFT

  • 10.25.2008 12:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
My thoughts:

*The BR was designed with strengths and weaknesses.
*The weaknesses were added in to offset the strengths.
*It takes skill to use the BR like JonnyOThan said.
*The BR is as effective as it was designed to be.
*Bungie DOESNT have to fix the BR because it is the way they want it to be.

So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It


QFT




Damn you, Jeffro, you beat me to it.

[Edited on 10.25.2008 3:08 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2008 3:07 PM PDT

well, the br is my favorite weapon. though, the aiming reticule is a little too large

  • 10.25.2008 3:54 PM PDT

I beat down a Scarab.

The BR has actually been fixed I think. I was one who complained a lot by the way, but now looking back on it its better this way.

  • 10.25.2008 4:06 PM PDT
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  • 10.25.2008 4:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lightning Thief
Damn you, Jeffro, you beat me to it.

Lol, sorry I just saw it on the first page and had to bring it to this page.

  • 10.25.2008 8:45 PM PDT
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Want Constant BR Starts? Make your own halo 3.

  • 10.25.2008 10:25 PM PDT

Just something for all those wanting a return of the Halo 2 no spread BR.

Went and did some very quick tests. the Halo 2 BR can constantly 5 shot kill from the flag on Relic to the barricades next to the albatross.

And on Coagulation, from the top of the bases to the nearer side of the Rocket launcher spawn is a 6 shot kill at worst, normally 5 shot. That's roughly half the normally used playing area.

Now I don't know about you, but that's too far for anything other than a sniper to be accurate. I don't want to kill a guy on the middle hill Valhalla, and have him able to kill me on respawn from his base.

Stop whining because the spread stops you getting a perfect 4 shot on smaller maps and think of the effect on the entire game, especially the larger maps.

[Edited on 10.27.2008 3:13 AM PDT]

  • 10.26.2008 7:48 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Nerd Boi
Just something for all those wanting a return of the Halo 2 no spread BR.

Went and did some very quick tests. the Halo 2 BR cant constantly 5 shot kill from the flag on Relic to the barricades next to the albatross.

And on Coagulation, from the top of the bases to the nearer side of the Rocket launcher spawn is a 6 shot kill at worst, normally 5 shot. That's roughly half the normally used playing area.

Now I don't know about you, but that's too far for anything other than a sniper to be accurate. I don't want to kill a guy on the middle hill Valhalla, and have him able to kill me on respawn from his base.

Stop whining because the spread stops you getting a perfect 4 shot on smaller maps and think of the effect on the entire game, especially the larger maps.

So your H2 test are supposed to prove/support what now?

  • 10.27.2008 1:51 AM PDT

Just noting that a Halo 2 style BR is a very bad idea, especially in regards to larger maps.

Also-an error in the post. Meant to be Halo 2 BR can 5-shot from flag to barricade. I'll change that now.

  • 10.27.2008 3:13 AM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Nerd Boi
Just noting that a Halo 2 style BR is a very bad idea, especially in regards to larger maps.

Also-an error in the post. Meant to be Halo 2 BR can 5-shot from flag to barricade. I'll change that now.

I see.

Regardless, is should not take 7 to 8 shots with the BR from a third of the distance on snowbound. And that is with perfect aim, and the player standing still.

[Edited on 10.27.2008 3:48 AM PDT]

  • 10.27.2008 3:47 AM PDT

That's an entire ballgame altogether, and given that I very rarely play playlists with smaller maps in the rotation I cannot really comment on how the BR should function on them.

  • 10.27.2008 4:01 AM PDT
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the BR to me is for a specific job, mid range mayhem.
the assault rifle or smg is for shorter range, the sniper rifles or spartan laser for longer.
pick your range, pick your game, chose the weapon and have the BR for backup

  • 10.27.2008 6:47 AM PDT

Posted by: Nerd Boi
Just something for all those wanting a return of the Halo 2 no spread BR.

Went and did some very quick tests. the Halo 2 BR can constantly 5 shot kill from the flag on Relic to the barricades next to the albatross.

And on Coagulation, from the top of the bases to the nearer side of the Rocket launcher spawn is a 6 shot kill at worst, normally 5 shot. That's roughly half the normally used playing area.

Now I don't know about you, but that's too far for anything other than a sniper to be accurate. I don't want to kill a guy on the middle hill Valhalla, and have him able to kill me on respawn from his base.

Stop whining because the spread stops you getting a perfect 4 shot on smaller maps and think of the effect on the entire game, especially the larger maps.


If you're going to stand still while someone shoots you 4 times from across the map, you deserve to die. A sniper shouldn't be able to stand out in open without fear of retaliation.

  • 10.27.2008 10:46 AM PDT

Posted by: TheBigShow
Posted by: Nerd Boi
Just something for all those wanting a return of the Halo 2 no spread BR.

Went and did some very quick tests. the Halo 2 BR can constantly 5 shot kill from the flag on Relic to the barricades next to the albatross.

And on Coagulation, from the top of the bases to the nearer side of the Rocket launcher spawn is a 6 shot kill at worst, normally 5 shot. That's roughly half the normally used playing area.

Now I don't know about you, but that's too far for anything other than a sniper to be accurate. I don't want to kill a guy on the middle hill Valhalla, and have him able to kill me on respawn from his base.

Stop whining because the spread stops you getting a perfect 4 shot on smaller maps and think of the effect on the entire game, especially the larger maps.


If you're going to stand still while someone shoots you 4 times from across the map, you deserve to die. A sniper shouldn't be able to stand out in open without fear of retaliation.


That is correct. I inserted how quickly you could die more so to show that the BR is accurate at that range, rather than hitting every couple of shots. Fact remains that from nearly half the map away on coagulation I can attack you with a decent degree of accuracy. It happened to me and I did it to other players, and it was always something I didn't really enjoy. If I spawn with a BR as you often did on coagulation I could help defend a flag/bomb halfway across the map without moving significantly towards it. I didn't like that.

  • 10.27.2008 12:30 PM PDT