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Posted by: GIR091572
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I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.

I feel the same way


as do i.

  • 07.02.2008 9:35 AM PDT

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Right now I'm having serious thoughts of buying Halo 2.

  • 07.02.2008 9:39 AM PDT
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This is a post I made in another thread, but it seems appropriate to re-post here:

First off, I've been reading all these threads of BR vs. AR for a while now, and it makes no sense how the BR spread (which is the same for everyone, btw) makes it less skillful. And yes, I know I'm not very good a H3. So now to my question---

So how does a "Random element" take away from the game?"

Every competition that I can think of has random elements in them-- Football has weather, injuries, etc.. Baseball has different sized stadiums and umpires that can't call the strike zone, etc.. -- and the teams and players in these sports have to deal with randomness every day if they want to be the best. So how can someone claim that a random spread takes away from the skill required to win? People that claim to be great say that the spread gives a chance for a "noob" to get a kill-- well if I'm not mistaken Fresno State just won the College World series! I don't think a team like North Carolina was complaining about the randomness because they lost to a "noob" like FSU.

Or what about the Patriots? They were far and away the best team in the NFL last year, but they lost to "noob" Eli Manning and the Giants-- were they complaing about randomness in their sport? I haven't heard anything.

My point is that if you claim to be pro, or even competitive, then you learn to adapt to random situations. I don't even care if the gun works well or not, the point is be as cometitive as you claim to be-- Real pros deal with these random situations and still try to come out on top.

  • 07.02.2008 9:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Ttone5722
So how does a "Random element" take away from the game?"

Every competition that I can think of has random elements in them-- Football has weather, injuries, etc.. Baseball has different sized stadiums and umpires that can't call the strike zone, etc.. -- and the teams and players in these sports have to deal with randomness every day if they want to be the best. So how can someone claim that a random spread takes away from the skill required to win? People that claim to be great say that the spread gives a chance for a "noob" to get a kill-- well if I'm not mistaken Fresno State just won the College World series! I don't think a team like North Carolina was complaining about the randomness because they lost to a "noob" like FSU.


I'm sorry, but I fail to see how they are random events. In sport, it isn't as if the players will be standing around waiting for the kick-off, a random value will pop up and someone will have a broken leg. No, that is the randomness that is experienced in Halo 3. In sport, injuries are a direct result of an event, be it a collision or incapacity to sustain a high level of effort. The result is determined by events, eg. collisions, whilst the BR spread is determined by a random value.

  • 07.02.2008 9:52 AM PDT

Yeah, I guess you could say I play competitavely. (=

I think another thing people have to understand that hit detection in halo 3 is a much bigger issue then the spread of the BR is. Have you ever thought that your shot didn't connect because of hit detection instead of the effect the of the spread?

  • 07.02.2008 9:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: BakedPotatoLive
Posted by: Ttone5722
So how does a "Random element" take away from the game?"

Every competition that I can think of has random elements in them-- Football has weather, injuries, etc.. Baseball has different sized stadiums and umpires that can't call the strike zone, etc.. -- and the teams and players in these sports have to deal with randomness every day if they want to be the best. So how can someone claim that a random spread takes away from the skill required to win? People that claim to be great say that the spread gives a chance for a "noob" to get a kill-- well if I'm not mistaken Fresno State just won the College World series! I don't think a team like North Carolina was complaining about the randomness because they lost to a "noob" like FSU.


I'm sorry, but I fail to see how they are random events. In sport, it isn't as if the players will be standing around waiting for the kick-off, a random value will pop up and someone will have a broken leg. No, that is the randomness that is experienced in Halo 3. In sport, injuries are a direct result of an event, be it a collision or incapacity to sustain a high level of effort. The result is determined by events, eg. collisions, whilst the BR spread is determined by a random value.


So even though a football player gets in thousands of collisions during their career without incident, that one time they tear up a knee or break a bone cannot be random? I'm sorry, but I fail to see how you came up with that logic-- every block or tackle is not the same, and random, even "freak" injuries can and do happen. Sometimes they even happen to the best teams, at the most inopportune times.

I'm not trying to attack you or anything, just stating my opinion.

  • 07.02.2008 9:58 AM PDT

Yeah, I guess you could say I play competitavely. (=

Agreed

  • 07.02.2008 10:02 AM PDT

From what I've tasted of desire,
I hold with those who favor fire.

Jeez, that would explain my warning. I made a kick-ass poem about trolls and such and posted it under a BR title. Whoops!

(NEED BETTER PERIPHERAL VISION)

  • 07.02.2008 10:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

My question is why did they make the AR have bullet spread? Why isn't it effective the exact same at close and medium distances? That's how Bungie described the weapon: "close and medium range weapon".

~B.B.

  • 07.02.2008 10:07 AM PDT
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It sucks and it one of the reasons I quit Halo 3 and went back to Halo 2.

  • 07.02.2008 10:09 AM PDT
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if you get a 5 star general
you should get a golden br
then if you kill them you spawn with the gold br


hmmmm

  • 07.02.2008 10:34 AM PDT

A hero need not speak. When he is gone, the world will speak for him.

The BR is perfect, i don't see why people should even complain about it.

  • 07.02.2008 10:51 AM PDT

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I don't really hate the BR, i want it to stay the way it is, but up the damage to 110%, it makes the game has a whole run a lot better. Same with speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

L0V3 Y00 BUNG13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!1

[Edited on 07.02.2008 11:07 AM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 10:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Battery000
Right now I'm having serious thoughts of buying Halo 2.
Do it.

  • 07.02.2008 11:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Minou
Posted by: Battery000
Right now I'm having serious thoughts of buying Halo 2.
Do it.


You'll def notice the difference in BR's that's for sure.

  • 07.02.2008 11:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

I'm still waiting to hear why the Assault Rifle has bullet spread and it's not 100% effective at all ranges where it is "red reticule".

~B.B.

  • 07.02.2008 11:19 AM PDT
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i really dont understand there really is nothing wrong with it

  • 07.02.2008 11:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
I'm still waiting to hear why the Assault Rifle has bullet spread and it's not 100% effective at all ranges where it is "red reticule".

~B.B.

You can thank randomness for that, haven't you figured it out yet? Bungie thinks that randomness belongs in the equation for Halo 3's weapons and there accuracy. It makes it fair and balanced, so they say...it could also be the dropped bullet(s) factor as well, i mean hey when bullets disappear and don't hit there intended target it makes for a more interesting game (or at least thats there stand on it). Disappearing bullets...LOL WTF!!!

[Edited on 07.02.2008 12:10 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 11:57 AM PDT
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I love how people are saying that the BR is fine the way it is.
Then why when my reticle is red with a dot in the middle, it takes 6-7 shots at close range to kill somebody? Bullets dropping everywhere, Bullets flying everywhere...

HIT SCAN THE BR PLEASE

CAnnot kill anybody with it because of the assault rifle being over powered...

Lukems in the past has said that randomness in a starting weapon should not be tollerable
Then why does the BR drop bullets, and spread bullets everywhere?

[Edited on 07.02.2008 12:11 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 12:08 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: A DODGY HAJI
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
I'm still waiting to hear why the Assault Rifle has bullet spread and it's not 100% effective at all ranges where it is "red reticule".

~B.B.

You can thank randomness for that, haven't you figured it out yet? Bungie thinks that randomness belongs in the equation for Halo 3's weapons and there accuracy. It makes it fair and balanced, so they say...it could also be the dropped bullet(s) factor as well, i mean hey when bullets disappear and don't hit there intended target it makes for a more interesting game (or at least thats there stand on it). Disappearing bullets...LOL WTF!!!


So I take it that you would then be in favor of a much much more powerful Assault Rifle then, correct? One that would be able to hit a shot if you're standing next to me or if you're standing 75 ft. away from me. So, if I have the Assault Rifle and it's 'red reticuled' then every single shot I fire off at you should hit you correct? You do realize how far of a distance the reticule is red for the AR right?

The AR shouldn't have bullet spread and since it's described as a "short and medium range" weapon then it should obviously hit EVERY single bullet fired when the reticule is red. I'm glad we could agree Dodgy, I think Bungie should make the AR stronger with better range and better accuracy so that it could completely replace the BR's role at "medium" range since the AR is also listed as a "medium" range weapon.

Hear that Bungie. Dodgy, a MLG supporter wants the AR to be much stronger with better range and accuracy! Fix it meow!

~B.B.

[Edited on 07.02.2008 12:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 12:20 PM PDT
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who cares about the br h3 sucks

  • 07.02.2008 12:24 PM PDT
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So I take it that you would then be in favor of a much much more powerful Assault Rifle then, correct? One that would be able to hit a shot if you're standing next to me or if you're standing 75 ft. away from me. So, if I have the Assault Rifle and it's 'red reticuled' then every single shot I fire off at you should hit you correct? You do realize how far of a distance the reticule is red for the AR right?

The AR shouldn't have bullet spread and since it's described as a "short and medium range" weapon then it should obviously hit EVERY single bullet fired when the reticule is red. I'm glad we could agree Dodgy, I think Bungie should make the AR stronger with better range and better accuracy so that it could completely replace the BR's role at "medium" range since the AR is also listed as a "medium" range weapon.

Hear that Bungie. Dodgy, a MLG supporter wants the AR to be much stronger with better range and accuracy! Fix it meow!

~B.B.


wow...im not sure weather to LOL at this or just disregard it totally...hopefully your being sarcastic because thats how your coming off as at the moment.

Im not in favor of increasing the actual damage power output from the BR itself, i just want the spread of the bullets to be tighter and less at random during its burst fire (on top of dropped bullets all together). Im sure in doing this it will increase its damage in someway because the accuracy will be much better and less of a guessing game on which of the bullets will hit what your actually aiming at.

And as for the AR, i could give a rats a$$ about it and its properties or issues, cuzz i dont use it to be quite frank. If they were to rid of the weapon completely it would be fine by me. I was just answering the gents question about why it wasn't a 100% accurate when you have a red reticule. Chicken Fauker bugahauckk!!!!

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  • 07.02.2008 12:43 PM PDT

DEEP NNN = Depends

Clan 2old2pwn on 2old2play.

Don't let yesterday use up too much of today.

The BRats should look at the nice pictures of Luke in this week's Humdays challenge. LOL

  • 07.02.2008 12:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEEP NNN
The BRats should look at the nice pictures of Luke in this week's Humdays challenge. LOL


Regenerator whore...LOL at Lukems!!! Someone needed to stick him while he stood there! :) Cold Storage looks good, hopefully the map lives up to its org from CE.

Look i just want people to understand that allot of people feel theres a need for a change in the BR. Will it happen...doubtful but hey its why were here talking about it, voicing our opinions about it. Will i stop playing HALO 3 all together like some have because I think the BR is garbage compared to HALO 2's...nah, its a great game, i just want a small fix if possible and i will make sure that I and everyone who supports a BR fix is herd. Im not here to offend or piss anyone off with my comments or my opinions. When your passionate enough about something, you wouldn't let your voice or comments go unheard would you? I think thats what everyone whos posted in support of a BR fix has done, voice there opinion and did the best they could on supporting there voice with some facts and a little rant.

[Edited on 07.02.2008 1:07 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 1:01 PM PDT