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Subject: xbox 2 gonna be weak !
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I Completely agree! The next box isn't even going to have its famed Hard drive!

I hate PS3 already cause they are only going to wait till 2007 so that they can reverse engineer the Xbox and steal its good points!

  • 06.23.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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Just remember lads... which platform is Halo on? once you figure out the answer.. i'm sure you'll remember Sony's consoles have crappy games on.

  • 06.23.2004 12:37 PM PDT
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I just hope they make the next xbox extremly powerful, after all it is microsoft. They cant let those no good sony people win.

  • 06.24.2004 5:30 PM PDT
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just whatever you do dont buy the next Gamecube, no matter what if it's a Nintendo product it sucks!

  • 06.24.2004 9:33 PM PDT
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I just read the specs to the next box and it looks powerful for now, but how are they gonna keep up with sony's ps3. Xbox next comes out in 2005 while ps3 comes out in 2007. Its gonna be weird when the playstation has better graphics than the xbox. It doesnt seem right. Microsoft also said they are going to take a comservative route when building the next xbox. This is kinda dissapointing.

  • 06.23.2004 8:53 AM PDT
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Fanboy alert.

  • 06.24.2004 9:36 PM PDT
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as long as i can play halo, halo 2 and a possible halo 3 on the next xbox, it's fine by me.

  • 06.25.2004 4:05 AM PDT
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I thought the new xbox was going to have more than one or two processors this time round, which will most likely make it run as smooth as ever.

  • 06.25.2004 4:43 AM PDT
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acually the next xbox might not be backwards compatable
(my source- xboxaddict.com)

No Backwards Compatibility For Next Xbox?
Posted by: Charles on Tuesday, June 22nd, 2004
Type: Rumor
Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz

Sources close to Microsoft’s senior Xbox executives have confirmed that the company does not intend to make its next-generation console, which is set to be launched by late 2005, backwards compatible with existing Xbox software.

Speculation about the backwards compatibility functionality has been rife since it emerged that Xbox 2 - codenamed Xenon - will have radically different hardware to the original system, with a non-x86 processor, no hard drive and an ATI, rather than NVIDIA, graphics chipset, all of which would make running Xbox titles on the platform very difficult.

It was widely believed, however, that Microsoft had retained a team of hardware emulation experts to work on the problem - although concerns over the viability of such an endeavour were voiced by some experts, especially regarding the company’s ability to emulate the functions of the graphics unit in the Xbox without violating NVIDIA’s intellectual property rights.

GamesIndustry.biz has now learned that Microsoft does not plan to provide any backwards compatibility in the next-generation Xenon platform - and indeed, that senior executives at the company don’t believe backwards compatibility to be an important feature for consoles.

According to a source close to the project, internal Microsoft figures suggest that only 10 per cent of PlayStation 2 purchasers were interested in the console’s ability to play titles developed for the original PlayStation.

Although this still represents some seven million consumers on a global basis - which is around half of Microsoft’s entire installed base for Xbox - the company apparently believes that allowing consumers to play existing Xbox titles on the next-generation hardware would not be a significant deciding factor for Xenon purchasers.

However, a report into the videogames industry published today by Wedbrush Morgan Securities senior vice president Michael Pachter disagrees with this conclusion - arguing that failing to provide backward compatibility could have the effect of alienating Microsoft’s existing Xbox installed base.

"In the event that Xbox Next is not backward compatible, we think that the device will be very slow to grow its footprint," the report warns, while elsewhere it suggests that such a move could damage the company’s long-term prospects for the console.

"We do expect Microsoft to launch its console first, perhaps as early as 2005," says Pachter. "Should it choose to do so without backward compatibility or significant third-party software support, we expect to see its first-mover advantage evaporate."

MICROSOFT SAYS TO XBA ....

"Recent stories in the press about future Xbox products are nothing more than pulp fiction. Microsoft hasn’t made any announcements regarding the next generation, so it’s far too early to speculate about specifics, including backward compatibility. In fact, this media conjecture is irresponsible. The credibility of any publication willing to compromise fact in favor of a catchy headline must be questioned. Xbox fans are smart enough to distinguish truth from sensational reporting. "

ign.com
Xbox Next Details Appear?
Microsoft remains mute on the most detailed Xbox 2 specs yet.

June 23, 2004 - The Internet once again baffled Xbox executives, Xbox fans, and just about everyone else today with reiterated details on the successor to Microsoft's Xbox. A purportedly leaked white paper appeared on the Web showing off potential specs for Xbox Next (aka Xenon) -- specs that include a single IMB chip containing three 3.5 Ghz cores, a processor that shares 256 megabytes of unified memory with a 500 Mhz custom ATI graphics chip, and a peak triangle rate of 500 million triangles per second. If you remember the details IGN reported on after E3 in May, these are nearly exactly the same.


The document, which has not been acknowledged by Microsoft officials, and which purportedly details the specifications of Xbox's successor, appeared on several Web pages this morning. It is allegedly from Peter Isensee of Microsoft's Xbox Advanced Technology Group.

The document doesn't answer two key issues. On the hard drive, which previously has been reported as being replaced with Flash RAM, the document reads "Xenon console is designed around a larger world view of storage than Xbox was. Games will have access to a variety of storage devices, including connected devices (memory units, USB storage) and remote devices (networked PCs, Xbox Live). At the time of this writing, the decision to include a built-in hard disk in every Xenon console has not been made. If a hard disk is not included in every console, it will certainly be available as an integrated add-on component."

With regard to backward compatibility, it also discusses the issue rather than confirms any specific decision. "People often ask if Xenon can be backward compatible with Xbox. Although the architecture of the two consoles is quite different, Xenon has the processing power to emulate Xbox. Whether Xenon will be backward compatible involves a variety of factors, not the least of which is the massive development and testing effort required to allow Xbox games run on Xenon."

The white paper, however, does feature dozens of details on the machine's capabilities, including high-definition output up to 1080i, VGA output (also confirmed for Nintendo Revolution), and the existing XACT Xbox audio development API, while not answering what the system's multichannel audio capabilities are. The Xenon controller will feature an additional couple of shoulder buttons to the existing Xbox controller, and will remove the black and white buttons from the S Controller. The Xenon will also support standard USB 2.0 ports as peripheral interfaces for potential ability to "host storage devices, cameras, microphones, and other devices."

Is the document true or false? This much can be said: The details revealed here certainly match the diagram that appeared in May, so it appears to be real enough. But as many readers and expert programmers have pointed out, any one with some coding knowledge could have written it. Again, Microsoft official would not comment on it.

Check the full specs here.
-- Douglass C. Perry

  • 06.25.2004 6:04 AM PDT
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I heard that the PlayStation 3 is supposidly going to make its big release early to middle 2005 or even holiday 2004. But this source isn't very reliable, so I dunno what to believe.

  • 06.25.2004 9:37 AM PDT
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release dates are fuzzy, and, if Xbox NG is released 2 years before PS3, remember how much people liked PS2 over Xbox? That was because of the 1 year lead PS2 had over the Xbox. (PS2 had 1 year to make games, while people who wanted an xbox would have went with the PS2, because it was the best system at the time) If Xbox had 2 years over PS3 (which it probably wouldn't, Sony wouldn't allow that) then the PS3 would be dead.

  • 06.25.2004 10:14 AM PDT
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PS3 comes out on 2005. xbox 2 is around the same time

  • 06.26.2004 10:38 AM PDT
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Well none of it's finalized yet guys, so lets leave it be. Plus, I highly doubt Sony will go with the dual processor idea (dual IBM processors will channel info so quick your mind will look weak compared to it). And on top of it all, chances are ATI is signing (or has?) with just MS to give them THEIR new graphics card! Do you realized the VPU power that will be in that card? Amazing. That means Sony will NOT be able to have the same VPU, they'll have to go to Nvidia or what not to get another one.

I think MS is on the right track, and I figured they'll probably push their system realease way back anyhow. The engineering involved with trying to keep that kind of power they're putting in the system cool will be hard. (at least on an economic scale)

  • 06.26.2004 10:49 AM PDT
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Actually, it has triple processors, not dual. Scary!

All the current specs:

http://xboxforums.net/showthread.php?t=12668

  • 06.26.2004 10:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: PENCE
just whatever you do dont buy the next Gamecube, no matter what if it's a Nintendo product it sucks!


Yeah, you're an idiot. Nintendo in the past has produced some of the best in the video gaming world. The cube wasn't that bad, just didn't have many good games. It had better graphics than the ps2. Their next console will hopefully be better, because they normally do better than the GCN.

  • 06.26.2004 12:14 PM PDT