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Subject: All I want is one more patch.
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That's right, one more patch and Bungie can discontinue this game all together.

I think some of you know what I want, what I want is a fixed netcode.

Now I know, I know, a lot of you have gotten used to leading and all and are probably good at it. Some of you will say that leading takes skill, but I don't think so.

Leading is a guessing game. Especially for those of us who don't continually have the same ping. My ping goes from 33 to 67 often and back. This means that I have to continually adjust my lead. This hurts me often, as what I thought was correct, is no longer correct, and 3/4 of the time I am dead before I finally get the correct lead. This cycle happens time and time again.

Now I'm no slouch at the game, but I'm not as good as some other players, pulling off 3sk's and such. I'm a veteran that relies on knowledge of the weapons, maps, and vehicles at hand.

I've also been playing other FPS games too. Unreal Tournament, Counter-Strike, I've played a lot of them, and in none of them did I have to lead. Getting kills was easier, and of course, getting killed was easier. But I had no problem with that. You play these games longer and you get better at them. Halo is not really one of those games.

Besides, the reason why the lead is there is because Gearbox was instructed to include 56K support, but considering the number of Halo players on Dial-up, that netcode is no longer needed. I don't think the whole netcode needs to be re-written, but it certainly needs to be fixed or edited. Bungie/Microsoft will probably never release the source, so it's at their discretion that a patch gets made.

A lot of you will dismiss me as being whiny about the netcode, but I assure you, Halo will be 10x better if it's fixed. The bot makers will have to update their bots of course, but they may not need it, the whole reason for the bot is because aiming is too hard for noobs. We've seen that Halo still has a large fanbase and it will continue to grow as long as this game stays on shelves, so Bungie, how about giving us a final edit so we can wrap this game up, eh?


Also speaking of bots, what is this clickbot I've been hearing about lately? The only ones I know of are Bitterbanana's and the OCG color bot (which is stupid).

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  • 07.10.2008 4:29 PM PDT

Posted by: vincent5
That's right, one more patch and Bungie can discontinue this game all together.

I think some of you know what I want, what I want is a fixed netcode.

Now I know, I know, a lot of you have gotten used to leading and all and are probably good at it. Some of you will say that leading takes skill, but I don't think so.

Leading is a guessing game. Especially for those of us who don't continually have the same ping. My ping goes from 33 to 67 often and back. This means that I have to continually adjust my lead. This hurts me often, as what I thought was correct, is no longer correct, and 3/4 of the time I am dead before I finally get the correct lead. This cycle happens time and time again.

Now I'm no slouch at the game, but I'm not as good as some other players, pulling off 3sk's and such. I'm a veteran that relies on knowledge of the weapons, maps, and vehicles at hand.

I've also been playing other FPS games too. Unreal Tournament, Counter-Strike, I've played a lot of them, and in none of them did I have to lead. Getting kills was easier, and of course, getting killed was easier. But I had no problem with that. You play these games longer and you get better at them. Halo is not really one of those games.

Besides, the reason why the lead is there is because Gearbox was instructed to include 56K support, but considering the number of Halo players on Dial-up, that netcode is no longer needed. I don't think the whole netcode needs to be re-written, but it certainly needs to be fixed or edited. Bungie/Microsoft will probably never release the source, so it's at their discretion that a patch gets made.

A lot of you will dismiss me as being whiny about the netcode, but I assure you, Halo will be 10x better if it's fixed. The bot makers will have to update their bots of course, but they may not need it, the whole reason for the bot is because aiming is too hard for noobs. We've seen that Halo still has a large fanbase and it will continue to grow as long as this game stays on shelves, so Bungie, how about giving us a final edit so we can wrap this game up, eh?


Also speaking of bots, what is this clickbot I've been hearing about lately? The only ones I know of are Bitterbanana's and the OCG color bot (which is stupid).

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I'd like to see that happen, but it probably won't unless someone does in-fact feel that Halo's net-code might need tweaking. For the click-bot, it automatically shoots your weapon when your reticule turns red.

  • 07.10.2008 6:48 PM PDT

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For the click-bot, it automatically shoots your weapon when your reticule turns red.
But people who use the bots suck at aiming, so how would a bot that required you to aim help? lol

  • 07.10.2008 7:04 PM PDT
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What is leading?

Besides, I like halo PC as it is.

no problems for me.

  • 07.10.2008 7:15 PM PDT

To madkiller92: For people with slow fingers, I guess.


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  • 07.10.2008 7:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: cto888
What is leading?
Seriously?

Leading is when you compensate for latency by firing ahead of time since the netcode fails.

  • 07.10.2008 7:19 PM PDT

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The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

This is where I would insert a fail picture if I could.


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  • 07.10.2008 7:23 PM PDT
Subject: All I want is one more patch. WHAT!!!!
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Are you crazy? Why would bungie discontinue Halo 1? that means no online gaming and there are still a lotta people that player this game!

  • 07.10.2008 7:35 PM PDT
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I'm still failing to see how the clickbot could be useful.

  • 07.11.2008 2:59 PM PDT
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Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

I for one have a lot of trouble leading. I'd love to see the netcode fixed.

  • 07.11.2008 3:13 PM PDT
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That isn't what a clickbot is. People using a clickbot aim normally, but when they fire, the bot makes the adjustment to lead. Think a regular aimbot, that instead of holding shift to lock on, you have to click to lock on, so it locks on right as you shoot, and stops locking on, so it's harder to spot.

  • 07.11.2008 3:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: n357
I for one have a lot of trouble leading. I'd love to see the netcode fixed.

But how would we demonstrate to Bungie that it would be a good thing? From past experience, emails and such haven't worked.

It took an exploit to get us our last patch, I can't think of anything like that that would work right now.

Gentlemen, let us brainstorm.

  • 07.11.2008 3:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Unless you remove 56k support from the game, the netcode cannot be "fixed." Dial up would never be removed considering how many copies of the game have sold. How would you feel if one day your game just stopped working b/c you had dial up?

The game is nearly 5 years old and full of cheater kids. It's time to move on. Enjoy the game for what it is and isn't.

  • 07.11.2008 4:02 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

That's a pretty good point. Removing 56k support would affect people. Hate to admit it, but it's probably true.

  • 07.11.2008 4:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Frnksnbns
Unless you remove 56k support from the game, the netcode cannot be "fixed." Dial up would never be removed considering how many copies of the game have sold. How would you feel if one day your game just stopped working b/c you had dial up?

The game is nearly 5 years old and full of cheater kids. It's time to move on. Enjoy the game for what it is and isn't.


I never thought the game was playable on dial up. What kind of ping do they get, >400ms?

Also people with pings to high can get kicked from servers, so it's not like there's a huge majority of people playing this game on dial-up.

To respond to your question, I wouldn't try to play online games on dial-up in the first place.

  • 07.14.2008 10:45 AM PDT
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I touched on this subject in a recent topic. A part of me would love to see this happen, however unlikely as somebody is bound to point out later in this topic. It would freshen up the game, perhaps even get more people playing, which would obviously be a good thing. However I think if they changed the netcode then it would be way too easy to 3sk and would also upset players like me who have spent way too many hours trying to improve (with lead).

I have to ask though, how can you say leading doesn't take skill? There is a reason why good players are consistently good. As far as pistoling goes, when I'm on top of my game I rarely miss. That's not to gloat as I know many other players who are the same, but I think it goes to show that once you've learned the servers lead then it is no longer a guessing game, it's more of a question of your accuracy.

I would love to hear the opinions of some of the more old skool players out there, would this be a good thing for Halo?

  • 07.14.2008 1:36 PM PDT
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Patches aren't magic. Fixing netcode is basically rewriting the multiplayer game engine. It's not like there's a variable in there that says leading=1, and you can just change it to zero.

Either way leading is one of the two ways that I think halo is better balanced. (The second is the pistol) The netcode makes aim a little less important and moves up mindgames and tactical movement. You always have a chance to dodge every shot, and the ability to outsmart your opponent's lead is not just luck.

  • 07.14.2008 1:42 PM PDT
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Patches aren't magic. Fixing netcode is basically rewriting the multiplayer game engine. It's not like there's a variable in there that says leading=1, and you can just change it to zero.

Either way leading is one of the two ways that I think halo is better balanced. (The second is the pistol) The netcode makes aim a little less important and moves up mindgames and tactical movement. You always have a chance to dodge every shot, and the ability to outsmart your opponent's lead is not just luck.


Everyone uses the Fuel Rod gun just so they don't have to lead with pistol.

Good players defend lead, sucky players attack it.

  • 07.15.2008 4:23 PM PDT
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And all I want is a more reasonable player-base. People who are humble and respectful.
Sadly I don't think either of us is going to get what we want here.

I'm no developer/programmer but I have a feeling that removing lead from the game is going to take far more time and resources than are readily available, and for a game that is already 5 years old, we're lucky to have received the support to fight back against the massive server attacks. I give you credit for voicing your opinion in an articulate and polite manner but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Also, everyones ping jumps up and down by at least ~33ms.. I've been playing for a few years, consider myself a decent player and never try to compensate for this 33ms variable. Really, it's impossible to, and what little effect it actually has, everyone has to deal with, so... I don't know. I think you're reaching on that one.

I have to agree with a previous poster as well; leading does take skill. Yes, there is some luck involved, but imho what it comes down to mostly is your ability to read your opponent, to get in their head and try to figure out which direction they'll be going in and when, and to capitilize on that. For me, that's what makes the game so fun.

Just my $0.02

  • 07.15.2008 5:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: vincent5
Everyone uses the Fuel Rod gun just so they don't have to lead with pistol.


That was my other point. Everyone (should) start with pistol, which has the capability to counter everything except smart tank spam and snipers on most maps.

  • 07.15.2008 6:03 PM PDT

vincent5, I can not believe what your saying! Lead has nothing to do with the weapon you chose to use. Sure the Fuel Rod gun has an explosion compared to the pistol, but that doesn't mean it's more accurate. I prefer an accurate weapon like a pistol over the Fuel Rod gun, lead or no lead.

Pet0sh, just change the game type ;)

To be honest I really would not like to see this patch happening. Playing with lead has been part of the game since the trail version and it should stay that way. You can not call leading a guess of where the player is moving, because if it was guessing I along with many other should be going to Las Vegas hitting the tables.
I have to agree with HyperdelicAge, learning to play with ping is a skill. I would like to add my own opinion: Leading is what separates the newbies from the more skilled/old skool players, within Halo 1 PC.
I think many other will agree with me.
Besides once you get used to play with lead it shouldn't give you any really hard problems till a ping of 167. Anything above should not be played.

Something else to think about: What's the use of putting this patch in to game while having all the botters these days?

My own suggestion:
If I would like to see a last patch it would be one that closes all the glitches and adds an anti-cheat system.

  • 07.24.2008 9:41 PM PDT
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And all I want is a more reasonable player-base. People who are humble and respectful.
Sadly I don't think either of us is going to get what we want here.

Yea, that would be great.

Also, everyones ping jumps up and down by at least ~33ms.. I've been playing for a few years, consider myself a decent player and never try to compensate for this 33ms variable. Really, it's impossible to, and what little effect it actually has, everyone has to deal with, so... I don't know. I think you're reaching on that one.

Actually, it usually doesn't jump up and down by 33. Usually, when you see your ping switch from say, 33 to 67 all match, it's really because your true ping is somewhere in the middle, like around 50, and it switches to whichever is closer, 33 or 67. Of course that isn't always the case, some players have crappy net and some servers have crappy connections or something.


I have to agree with a previous poster as well; leading does take skill. Yes, there is some luck involved, but imho what it comes down to mostly is your ability to read your opponent, to get in their head and try to figure out which direction they'll be going in and when, and to capitilize on that. For me, that's what makes the game so fun.

Just my $0.02

Thats what keeps me playing, and I'm sure why older players keep getting drawn back to it.

  • 07.24.2008 11:02 PM PDT
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Leading is addictively infuriating. Horrible grammar but you get the point.

If you think about it, if they ever did fix the entire netcode in a patch, then eventually you die even faster than with leading. All you can do is adjust your resolution and blame Gearbox, which works fine with me =P

  • 07.30.2008 6:39 PM PDT