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Started another thread because I found that in the end it slightly went off topic, just about like all other threads, about how Halo 2 is going to be like.

First off, Serpx, I believe that you have your scientific facts straight. Whether you copy and pasted off of another site, I cannot prove that, but your style of English did change quite noticeably when you deviated into explaining the scientific aspects of human evolution and the "forerunners" in the game Halo. I suppose just being selfaware of the facts of the scientific principles other rather ignorant scientists presented is good enough.

However, you cannot merely apply scientific principles and facts to explain the evolution of man and the species. That would be wrong and ignorant for one to do because our understanding of science is not advanced enough for us to base facts upon. I believe that the reason for your posting is nonother an attempt to create contraversy by bringing in principles that are not even worth, I believe, looking at. But we do live in democracy, so they are there at everyones disposal. To finish my 2 cents on you Serpx, I think you came out here into these forums looking for suplementary self-esteem booster so you can feel 'smart'. And you got that. From a highschool sophomore(don't remember his callsign) who says he is intelligent but can't even spell in his own language(nessessary - necessary to name one out of 4 dozen i noticed). Anyhow, i'm done bashing you, going to move on with my opinion.
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There was one person's callsign "servnon"(don't remember exactly) who put out points that I didn't see nor thought of when i played the game that he pointed out:
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Forerunner(s), FACTS. Let's get it organized. Too many posts and not enough focus!

FORERUNNER, 343 GS, FACTS:

343GS speaks of "all our lost history". (MAW)


He also speaks of the MC and his armor as if familiar with them. (upgrading and all that)


He speaks of the humans or covies in this quote, the only two "races" he has seen in 100,000+ years, yes?
--"The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood
-- their survival as a race was dependant on it. I am grateful to see that
-- some of them have survived to reproduce."


And he is all buddy buddy with the MC...
--"(Halo will kill the Flood's food)...but you already knew that - I mean, how couldn't you?"
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--"Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done? Last time you asked me If it
-- were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my
-- answer has not changed - we have no choice, we must activate the ring. "


343 GS himself stated that he was activated when the flood was found active...
so he was not awake for these thousands of years, so could he still be mad? (crazy)

FORERUNNERS, SPARTANS, FACTS:

Spartans that come into contact with Forerunner technology "know" how to use it.
-- Why? This is important, maybe.


The Covenant use Forerunner technology, USE it, but they can not improve upon it.
-- Humans, or at least our technology (Cortana), can and have made vast improvements on
-- the "Covenant" technology. In a matter of hours, or days, Cortana improved both the
-- plasma weapons and the slipspace drives to pinpoint accuracy.

FORERUNNERS, GENERAL FACTS:

They have several HALO instalations, so? They were all over space, a mojor presence with mojor resources. Why move on?
-- This has happend to civilazations here on Earth, although not to a super-power.
-- Maybe they were cleaned out by the HALO networks they made.
-- Maybe they evolved into a super-natural type race.
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I was wondering about some of the things 343GS said, but dismissed them thinking my computer missed some dialogue like usual as it is a labtop and it is WAY below standard.

A lot of HALO story line may very well be not so Sci-Fi as everyone perceives it to be. I believe that a lot of the base HALO storyline is based on the 'lost civilizations' that earth had. So much of our history is missing that it will literally be gone forever unless we somehow manage to travel in the past.

Basing our history as human beings on evolution saying that it just happened because it happened is the same as saying that past the horizon is the end of the earth and if you go past it, you will eventually fall into the pits of hell.

I have so much to write about that I can literally take up half the space in this forums' thread. I have 5000 characters left, so i'll use that instead. If you want to talk about it more, email me and i;ll gladly give you my phone number or we can use the emailing system.

Let's get started:

There more than likely was a race of humans on another planet in our solar system. This can be theorized by the fact that there is far too much debris in between the planets Mars and Earth and the surrounding radius. This can probably explain the state Mars is right now, a desolate, dust covered, barren land. Something tirggered what we call the planet to become destablized in regards to it's long gone ecosystem. This might have been the explosion of the planet that was there. This explosion had to have been so spectacular that it literally rocked Mars' world and shifted the N and S pole axis to more than likely a chain of volcanic eruptions with destroyed the atmosphere(much like what happened in the Matrix whne humans blocked out the sun) and turned the planet into a barren wasteland unintentionally.
Now, what was that planet that was there? Who knows, I definintely don't, but I can only regurgitate some the explanations | thought were semi plausible. The people from this planet were probably more than technologically advanced than anything else in the world. Whatever happened happened 800 000 years ago( iknow someone is going to take this date and say something else happened, well duh, something else probably did happen). anyhow, I ask why is there so much variety of people on Earth(chinese, indian, inuit, celtic, russian, african?) I find it a load of horse -blam!- that it has something to do with evolution because there is just way too many gaps for to even be considered a fact. What could have happened is that whatever civilisation came from that planet had the wealth of knowledge, what happened to it? Well, it could very well explain the beginning of Atlantis and the continent that used to exist of what is now the Pacific Ocean. This time though, with Atlantis, there is more evidence supporting it's existence, although, like everything else, it is debatable.

Atlantis used to be a prosporous and extremely spiritual civilisation, for hundreds and hundreds of years it developed technology that was far beyond our reality(notice how I can't say imagination anymore - evolution anyone? or simply resurfacing of old knowledge?). This was done through the use of the Atlantian Crystal. Supposedly a 1 foot crystal shaped like a pentagon that produced free amounts of energy and grew like dandelions. If you ever happen to stop by Angola near the Black Mountain and happen to wander into it's caves, you mgiht come accross some if the KGB left any. Or maybe on the soviet KGB agents, if you're lucky to know one or find one if he isn't dead or suffering from the deseases they picked up while in Angola, can tell you whrere it is. Nevertheless, remenants have been discovered of the crystal by secret organiztions like our soviet friends.

Anyhow, Atlantis, encountering problems like we are today, subconciousely decided to repeat history. A new government developed, a modern fad type government which neglected spiritual enlightment and daily meditations with the crystals(those crstals did everything supposeldy, extended life etc...) and the mission to advance themselves biologically and technologically. They made a mistake and created a race like the Flood which got out of hand. (something like the chipucabras people are witnessing in South America) They started to kill people and destroy the lands. So, the answer was to build a super ray gun that would only destroy these genetically modified creatures. They did that by there researched attempts on tweaking the crystals power output to yield 100x the energy is capable of. They were, of course, successful. But too successful. So successful that they triggered a catastrophic blast of volcanos that lead to a chain of tidal waves which engulfed the entire Atlantian island. Perishing it and all of it's inhabitants. But not all. Some namaged to make it in their vehicles(the Disney cartoon Atlantis depcits it pretty nicely) Now, we know that some Atlantians survived because you see paitning in South American of 'god' like beings comeing from the horizons of the earth in weird bug like heads in chariots that fly. If you ask me, that's a bunch of naked tribes people saying that someone in some sorta craft came in with some sorta of headgear like a pilot, trying to establish a life again. But, the carriers of the old 'black slate' carrying knowledge to warn us so that history will not repeat were killed due to fear. They did not carry sidearms as they were pacifists. So, that was lost. But, evidence supports that more Atlantians made it. Giza plateau in Egypt, the pyramids representing the constellation of Orion, the temples of machu pichu, Spring equinox pyramids in South American, the Aztec pyramids or sacrifice. The egypt ones are more interesting due to the fact that there is so much more record of it. Imohotep, the first dynasty pharoah was one that carried the crystal to egypt and begun construction of the pyrmids. And NO, he didn't use Hewbrews as slaves ladidadida, bnuch of balogne, go with the holocaust, much more believeable. Anyhow, Moses saw the potential of the crystal----> cont'd in next reply

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This is all after the pyramids were complete and Imohotep(the architect) was dead and other pharoahs in power. So, he knew what the Pharoah had that was kept so secret, so he elaborated it masqueraded everything so to seem he was in contact with God. bunch of BS because God is not an existing figure but a level of sprirtual human enlightment that we receive(i think) So, this explains all this Covenant of the Lost Ark bull-blam!- and that it contained the 10 commandments (Indiana Jones for some more easy knowledge) But no, the Ark f the Covenant had the crystal inside it, that's why you see in scriptures with lightneting bolts coming out of it and stuff like that, all nie and fancy and sure would freak the hell out of people back then if you said it was God himself. Now, you also can find out that this Ark of the Covenant leveld armies and mountains of lands, ummmm....god doesn't destroym hes kinda like a pacifist too...so, it's the crystal in the wrong hands, of who? Our good boy Moses who stole it from the Egyptians, along with hoards of gold(there is a trial going on right now about that, Israel returning the gold it looted, saying that if Israel can get all the gold it lost in the Holocaust, Egypt can get all the gold it lost to the Hewbrews during the pharoah times). The Egyptians were afraaid of this happening, but it did, and they couldnt do anything about it because Moses already whiped out the entire Egpytian chariots and soldiers in that chase when it went through the Red Sea...ooops...did i say Red Sea? i meant Reed Sea which directly beside the Red Sea and only a few feet deep, CHECK THE MAP!@!!! Anyhow, there is a lil bible history, and if you have gotten this far in my thread, then let me break it to you now, i've only scratched the surface, this is nothing, i don't have my supporting evidence, mainly cuz it would take so muich time to gather, but if you don't believe me now, what;s the point?

Recap: Anyhow, we have our mystery planet that blew up, Atlantis, Egypt and all the other places, and where are we right now? Almost near the end actually. Look at our society right now, we are currently at war that is on the brink of catastropic destruction. If you look at hte HAARP conspiracy, we more than likely control weather patterns and the weather itself(still in testing more than likely still) If you look at some of the stuff serbian electrical engineer Nikola Tesla created and the US government confiscated you can only imagine what the dudes from the Army Corps of Engineers are doing, DARPA and all those other fancy abbreviations no one knows about. Philosophers predicted that our end is near, 2015, 2010, 2012, 2009, all around that date, philosophers predicted and predicted and predicted that the end was in that decade, this decade. Doomsday, the bibles Armageddon, second coming of christ, the coming of the antichrist. Pretty freaky -blam!- eh? It doesn't seem that we can control it because people like Bush and Sharon are in charge and the top and a governemnt of utopian qualities hasn't even been anywhere near the surface, i'm jsut afraid i guess it's gonna be too late. Because that Armageddon, Apocalypse or whatever we, as humans, if taken out of the bible context is going to be inflicted by us humans. If taken from the Halo perspective, we are the MAster Sergeant holding the index, and if we are to prevail, we have to stop listening to our Guilty Spark and listen to Cortana, because, like the reality we live in, a reality constructed of only patterns and cycles of patterns, history will repeat itself, and maybe this time, it will repeat harder than it ever has before.

I think whoever made up Halo either used all this stuff i just wrote about and enchanced into a pretty sweet game to say the least, or he/she has some sort of connection to a previous life lived if you believe in karma.

In finish, i was typing really fast, but it still took me a couple of hours, but i hope you take the time to read it and realize that the shadows that Plato was describing is our society, to turn around and let go of this society people are afraid of doing it b/c to them, it's the American Dream.

Note: I was typing this really fast, and right now i'm out of steam, so towards the end i apoligize if my english started getting bad, my point might have been weak also, but if you want all this to make sense, keep an open mind

- MGN

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the only question ihave for you is how you got all that info

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Forgot some stuff i thought interesting also....

Forerunners, that's us. It's pretty obviouse, "FORERUNNERS" thinking ahead, jumping the gun, this will probably evolve with the game story in furhter sequals.

Cortana - the good conscience; name sounds angelic almost and perceived as a hologram, pretty, feminin.
343 Guilty Spark - the bad conscience; the technology, our downfall, sly, devil like
----Anyone realize that 343 Guilty Spark and Cortana are both Human creations? We developed it, created it, we create our downfall/uprise

Master Sergeant - the savior, the Master of all humans whoever that's gonna be, one person or a group combined? Second coming of christ srta thing? dunno up to you to pnder that one

The Flood - result of greed, it lashes back, kinda like Noah's Arch, the flood was the result of our greed for more control and materialistic wants

Captian Keyes - a follower, but regarded as a leader in Halo, kinda like a saint, St.Mark or somethin? i'm ignorant in regards to bible history...

FoeHammer - Archangel type figure, comes down and rescues or delivers MS to places..

Thought it was kind of neat, whether is twas intentional or not, it relates to those points kinda interestingly, makes the story that much better, but then you think, is it a story? or is it fact? Should this 'game' be taken seriousely? Or should be just taken as a game? a form of entertainment....it's definitely a thinker.....

  • 04.19.2004 5:45 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

VERY nicely thought out, guys.

I think that Forerunners aren't Human. Things don't add up, where as others add up TOO well.

But don't go too much into Earth's history. The coordinates that Cortana picked up from the Covenant when she was at Reach for the second time in the storyline point to Sol... not necessarily Earth (since Earth does not have fixed coordinates.... well, neither does the Sun, but its more fixed than planets). There are nine plnets in our solar system... perhaps Bungie plans to make Forerunner ruins on (more likely under) Mars or Venus? Or better yet, this next quote was in the Halo Documentary:

"Forerunner facilities floating in the atmoshperes of gas giants."

Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus.

Pluto and Mercury, I guess as well,... but its much less likely.

This is IF the Covenant got the coordinates from a Forerunner artifact like at Sigma Octanus IV (which pointed to Halo, I think... I haven't read that book, so I can't remember if they were Halo's coordinates or not). But perhaps the Covenant simply got the coordinates from ONI's Castle Base facility... there's a chance that someone (Ackerson, or one of his lackeys) didn't purge their nav databases.

[Edited on 4/19/2004 5:54:17 PM]

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Posted by: Terrian
the only question ihave for you is how you got all that info


Why would it matter? Everything i have said kinda supports itself if you read it carefully with an open mind and are self aware of your surroundings.

But just to answer your question, you can believe it or not, i don't really care, i shot up there for someone who might have an open mind and realize that what is going on is really going on. I researched and reseached and read and read for at least 5 years now. Not constantly, but with all the free time i get and when i feel like it, i research different accounts and try to weigh the differences and believability.

  • 04.19.2004 5:51 PM PDT