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Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Why keep arguing? Just shut up and leave. Find a forum where the mods are slackers and the average IQ of the members is below room temperature. The Bungie forums are some of the most clean, orderly, and well-maintaned forums i've ever seen. If you've been blacklisted, it's for a reason. You broke the rules, live with the consequences.

  • 02.28.2005 3:56 PM PDT
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I think slowly bungie is figuring some stuff out.................Just as long as they dont deny the "stuff" while they are figuring. Halo2 is a good game...(good) But it did hurt Bungie.................And they have no choice but to figure them out and cooperate with customers if they want future success in halo or any Bungie game...........

  • 02.28.2005 3:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: MCs Brother
Why keep arguing? Just shut up and leave. Find a forum where the mods are slackers and the average IQ of the members is below room temperature. The Bungie forums are some of the most clean, orderly, and well-maintaned forums i've ever seen. If you've been blacklisted, it's for a reason. You broke the rules, live with the consequences.

Nice flame!!!!! NIce assumtion!!!! BUt its guys like you teamed up with a bad moderator that pissed me off and started this whole mess in the first place!

  • 02.28.2005 3:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos

So, that's that. Oh, and STOP saying "thousands of people feel this way." No, they don't. People complain loudly and publically, but they praise privately or not at all. And regarding that one "saddam" thread - if I'm remembering the thread correctly - you we're REALLY skating on thin ice that entire thread, and it probably should have been locked sooner. We gave you the benefit of the doubt, but the scale tipped when the political analogy was brought in. Not quite as clear cut as you make it.

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I guess skating on thin ice could be abything you want it to be...wouldnt neccessarily have to be breaking forum rules..........just disagreeing with a mod.......certain mods hate to have there authority challenged.......by means of disagreeing or anything...So if "skating on thin ice" is disagreeing with a mod..I'm guilty and my blacklist is justified then! I just didnt make them happy disagreeing....so they used the "saddam" as an excuse to blacklist me...because I wasnt breaking any rules.

  • 02.28.2005 4:04 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Posted by: TerminateBungie
Posted by: MCs Brother
Why keep arguing? Just shut up and leave. Find a forum where the mods are slackers and the average IQ of the members is below room temperature. The Bungie forums are some of the most clean, orderly, and well-maintaned forums i've ever seen. If you've been blacklisted, it's for a reason. You broke the rules, live with the consequences.

Nice flame!!!!! NIce assumtion!!!! BUt its guys like you teamed up with a bad moderator that pissed me off and started this whole mess in the first place!

A bad moderator? Isn't that an oxymoron? Please. Accept the consequences of your actions. I've been blacklisted at least 6 times, but I don't make alternate accounts whose name bashes Bungie, and I don't make threads -blam!-ing about my punishments. Deal with it, or get out.

  • 02.28.2005 4:05 PM PDT

- Mike

Again, its gettin out of hand. If you have a problem with the way bungie runs its forums. leave, dont insult there moderators and members.

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You say "power-hungry mods" as if they are... do you really think they would even belive that they would have anything to gain by abusing their power on an internet forum? Trust me, they are smarter than that... and you seem to be taking everything Achronos is saying, and twisting it into what you believe is your situation.

  • 02.28.2005 4:14 PM PDT
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I am going to create a new name...and give this a fresh go!!! Playing nice and leaving all of the drama in the past. Hopefully I wont have anymore problems...expecially since I have half of a clue whats going on as I didnt when I first started. So Your welcome...to all of the people whom I entertained with my lively topics and posts. And sorry to anyone who might have got caught up in the middle. Good luck to Bungie on future Halo games (you'll need it)



For the record


Recon54 is a good guy......he's fair and makes a great moderator (even though we've disagreed he never let that be reasoning for a blacklist) As a matter of fact he Blacklisted me the one time I will admit to deserving it...and he had a sense of empathy even!!





Shiska-----------------------------Shouldnt be a Mod

I will leave other mods alone.............I figure..a little positive, a little negative=good balance




  • 02.28.2005 4:16 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Sigh... I told you that thread with the Saddam thing was already close to being locked, but by the time that I got around to checking it again, one of our mods had decided that you crossed the line.

You act like it is an exact science, and I have tried repeated to explain that it is not. The mods aren't given any rules other than the code of conduct, and then are given the authority to interpret as they see fit. They have this authority because they earned my trust.

Now, reading your posts, basically you seem to be saying unless I say to you that Shishka is wrong and you are right, then you're going to call me a liar? Don't hold your breath. Until this thread, nearly every thread you have posted has be written, either deliberately or not, to be inflammatory. You seem to be expecting us to judge each one of your threads on its own merit, but that's not how things are done. Because we are human, our perceptions of your post are colored by your online identity, and so far, you have a very poor reputation - that of a troublemaker.

You probably would disagree with that. However - you're doing it right now. You make a post basically calling the administrators of the board liars. And then, you name one of the head moderators (Shishka), who also happens to be a Bungie Employee. And, just now, when I attempted to correct several misconceptions you have, and even after I defended you in this thread when someone suggested it be locked and you blacklisted, you called me a liar as well, and as someone who is simply either dumb, misinformed, or is otherwise an idiot.

How am I supposed to take that? None of it is constructive criticism. You make a bunch of vague accusations about being the target of excessive blacklisting by power hungry mods. Your accusations include claims of it being because your opinions were less than flattering of Bungie. In reality, you were disciplined because of the inflammatory nature of said posts, not the opinion they contained.

I'm not sure what you want from me. The policies around here aren't going to change, because I don't see a problem. You say you only deserved 1 blacklisting - well, I say you probably deserved what you got. And even if one particular one may have been a little sketchy, it is very likely we missed something that you should have been blacklisted for. It balances out. I'm sorry if you disagree with my assessment of the situation, but that's tough.

Everybody else has figured out how to have good discussions (both positive and negative with regards to Bungie and Halo) within the confines of the code of conduct - you can too, or you will be asked to leave.

  • 02.28.2005 4:31 PM PDT
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In this site you have no rights.

Plain and simple...

Tristan ;-)

  • 02.28.2005 4:34 PM PDT
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I figure it's time to bust it out:

Bungie owes you nothing!

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You are a fair man. I agree with you. You have done a good job and I appreciate your time. I know you have to stick by your workers side and take there back. At least you agree they are able to make mistakes. I dont expect anything more of you...I appreciate and respect you! And I can agree with the "trouble maker" statement....so as I stated before..I will make a new name and start over fresh..........Giving bungie another chance, and be a little more wise on choosing topics and which threads to reply too...thanks for your help and good luck to you.
Shiska is an employee?? No wonder the game has bugz.......lol Just kidding...............I dont think he is a good mod...but it ends there! He might be great at whatever else he does.
Posted by: Achronos
Sigh... I told you that thread with the Saddam thing was already close to being locked, but by the time that I got around to checking it again, one of our mods had decided that you crossed the line.

You act like it is an exact science, and I have tried repeated to explain that it is not. The mods aren't given any rules other than the code of conduct, and then are given the authority to interpret as they see fit. They have this authority because they earned my trust.

Now, reading your posts, basically you seem to be saying unless I say to you that Shishka is wrong and you are right, then you're going to call me a liar? Don't hold your breath. Until this thread, nearly every thread you have posted has be written, either deliberately or not, to be inflammatory. You seem to be expecting us to judge each one of your threads on its own merit, but that's not how things are done. Because we are human, our perceptions of your post are colored by your online identity, and so far, you have a very poor reputation - that of a troublemaker.

You probably would disagree with that. However - you're doing it right now. You make a post basically calling the administrators of the board liars. And then, you name one of the head moderators (Shishka), who also happens to be a Bungie Employee. And, just now, when I attempted to correct several misconceptions you have, and even after I defended you in this thread when someone suggested it be locked and you blacklisted, you called me a liar as well, and as someone who is simply either dumb, misinformed, or is otherwise an idiot.

How am I supposed to take that? None of it is constructive criticism. You make a bunch of vague accusations about being the target of excessive blacklisting by power hungry mods. Your accusations include claims of it being because your opinions were less than flattering of Bungie. In reality, you were disciplined because of the inflammatory nature of said posts, not the opinion they contained.

I'm not sure what you want from me. The policies around here aren't going to change, because I don't see a problem. You say you only deserved 1 blacklisting - well, I say you probably deserved what you got. And even if one particular one may have been a little sketchy, it is very likely we missed something that you should have been blacklisted for. It balances out. I'm sorry if you disagree with my assessment of the situation, but that's tough.

Everybody else has figured out how to have good discussions (both positive and negative with regards to Bungie and Halo) within the confines of the code of conduct - you can too, or you will be asked to leave.

  • 02.28.2005 4:55 PM PDT
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Edit: Never mind, I spoke too soon.

[Edited on 2/28/2005 5:06:57 PM]

  • 02.28.2005 5:01 PM PDT
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A moment, if you will.

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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
A moment, if you will.


Puppies can solve all the worlds problems...

  • 02.28.2005 5:33 PM PDT

bah

Hey, I think we all learned a little something here. Even if people are wronged, they can still be civil, and if they are, they have every right to make comments about what's bothering them. If they didn't, Chris or Achronos would have simply pulled the plug. Bungie.net is a place for everyone, but you have to play nice. Some of you may think Terminate hasn't been playing nice, but as far as this thread goes, he has been.

Terminate, if after all this you still want to make a new profile and get off to another fresh start, all the power to you. As long as you're not just sticking around to make trouble (and please, make sure that's not the reason you are) you'll always be welcome here.

  • 02.28.2005 7:12 PM PDT
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Hey Terminate, I have an idea. You can make a group, and try really really hard, and eventually maybe get like 500 people in it. Then you can be a moderator and see if it's easy. Although it wouldn't be anywhere near how much the B.net mods do, it would give you an idea. That also give you some place where you make the rules.

Wow, and to think I thought this thread was going to spiral out of control.

P.S. It's actually "Shishka", not "Shiska".

  • 02.28.2005 8:20 PM PDT
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Hmmm... If you gain trust from for having good posts that don't go over the tops then Recon must trust me a lot for a certain post, lol joke. I am seriously surprised that it didn't get locked by some stupid comment made from some bozo, you have to admit that.

edit. forgot a word or two. Achronos, keep up the good job with the site man.

[Edited on 2/28/2005 10:15:34 PM]

  • 02.28.2005 10:14 PM PDT

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1st I think he's not going to do a very good job at staying out of trouble. He did make other accounts before and he still got blcklisted.
2nd I realy don't see why he had to bring halo 2 into this, i had absoluty no problem with the game other than it was a bit short. I realy don't see why people don't like it.
3rd I am a VERY active bungie.net member and I post more times then I can resonably count every day BUT I have still only seen about 3-4 members that accualy had a problem with Bungie or the game and I respectfully and consideratly told them my 2 cents on the matter.
4th Is a question for any Mods still here. I am in a small group that was made becuase of "halo2sucks.com" cuz we REALY found that site.....well i don't want to get introuble so i wont discribe it but how far in our discutions can we go into making fun of halo/bungie haters and such in the forums?

P.S. If a halo 3 comes out make it just like halo 2 but longer and with more easter eggs!

[Edited on 3/1/2005 10:43:01 AM]

  • 03.01.2005 5:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: TerminateBungie
Cronos,
I will add you to the list of mods who called me a liar........................



I created this thread to try and reason with bungie once more...I really am suprised that I havent been blacklisted yet.

I offer my outlook on things....and advice on what your doing wrong.........but instead of explainations I get excuses..............and basically get called a liar.


I understand posts get pushed from page 1 to page 2 when new posts are created...I can figure that out...just as I can figure out that if you create a post and in 1 minuite its not on page 1-10 that it was deleted.


I also understand this isnt a perfect world..and everything doesnt go your way.


and for acronos to say mods dont erase threads, based totally on trust of his mods is wrong. Perhaps we both have been wronged by them then. And you shouldnt believe everything you hear.

Now I dont know all of your mods.....But you have a few that just shouldnt be doing it..... And the "Banning spree" they get for Blacklisting so many people certainlty isnt the best incentive for fair play.


I am not going to waste my time on this site trying to fix things between us just for somthing to do!! I mean...I am opening my heart to listen to you.....................but all I get is excuses and Confirmation of what I am complaining about..


Perhaps its just easiest for you to make excuses and call people a liar than to do somthing about it...........


maybe the facts are a little better than the word of your moderators (which you base everything on)




I was even all ready to change my name to "reformbungie"

Well I looked through most of the threads on 3 of Bungie's forum and yet I really never did quite manage to see you getting called a liar. All the threads that you were in were locked so I could look and you were never perma banned from what the message said. Also alot of people had quoted you in the threads so I could manage to tell what you saying. Yes you weren't bringing political discussion on this saddam thread you speak of, but...........you did directly announce a Mods name and say that he called you a liar well he didn't so you probably got banned for false accusation also no-one in this thread has called you a liar. I ahven't even called you a liar yet. Also if you hate Bungie so much there is a place for all those that think Bungie and Halo2 suck it's called http://www.halo2sucks.com go there and flame Bungie as much as you want. Personally I think the only thing that is wrong with Bungie right now is the Mods are not enough in number to patrol all the forums. That is the only honest thing that is bad thing that I can sit here and flame Bungie for. I guess basically sir what I am trying to point out is never since I have seen have you been flamed or called a liar by a Mod. In closing yes they should take the word of their Mods as they are the ones of the forum who care for it and watch it and try to help other posters. You sir haven't helped any posters as far as I can see and you sure don't support the forums. So why should they take your side? Also quit talking about posts being deleted you ever heard of invisos? It happens all the time sometimes my entire thread is gone. One time I wrote a full XBL guide in Zanzibar covering every aspect of every error I could find. It got invisoed, do you see me complaining? Things just happen it called a forum glitch. I bet most of the stuff you are complaining about is an error and nothing but a error. Mabye you should do more thinking before you post and do a little investigation into your accusations.

EDIT: I think I posted a bit late Archonos beat me to my statement.........

[Edited on 3/1/2005 7:54:07 AM]

  • 03.01.2005 6:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sasqach
1st I think he's not going to do a very good job at staying out of trouble. He did make other accounts before and he still got blcklisted.
2nd I realy don't see why he had to bring halo 2 into this, i had absoluty no problem with the game other than it was a bit short. I realy don't see why people don't like it.
3rd I am a VERY active bungie.net member and I post more times then I can resonably count every day BUT I have still only seen about 3-4 members that accualy had a problem with Bungie or the game and I respectfully and consideratly told them my 2 cents on the matter.
4th Is a question for any Mods still here. I am in a small group that was made becuase of "halo2sucks.com" cuz we REAL found that site.....well i don't want to get introuble so i wont discribe it but how far in our discutions can we go into making fun of halo/bungie haters and such in the forums?

P.S. If a halo 3 comes out make it just like halo 2 but longer and with more easter eggs!

Never say that always give everyone a chance.

  • 03.01.2005 7:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I frequently choose to simply say nothing and let that speak for itself.
I think that, that is one of the wisests post exscripts that I have read. If more posters would follow this rule when they want to flame or something else there would be many less problems (examples of the problems I speak of are posted all over this thread).

[Edited on 3/1/2005 8:16:50 AM]

  • 03.01.2005 8:15 AM PDT

-S

I can't help but wonder why someone who calls themselves "TerminateBungie" and has a sig that reads "Death to Bungie" thinks that their opinion on how we run our forums is valid.

  • 03.01.2005 9:12 AM PDT

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