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Subject: Why ODST's Are Infinitely Better Than Halo 1 Marines
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Okay, let's face it. Marines suck. The shoot you, throw grenades at walls, stop for five seconds to yell some stupid Battle Cry while getting shot at, and are basically representative of why humans are losing the war so badly.

Let's see how the ODST's in Halo 2 are going to be infinitely better.

1. Better A.I. - Artificial Intelligence. You know, instead of Artificial Stupidity?
The soldiers in Halo 2 will flip over objects for cover, call in reinforcements (not scripted) point out enemy snipers, and generally help you. And they won't throw grenades at walls anymore. This is not some B.S. every other game with soldiers in it spoon-feeds you. THIS is the REAL DEAL.

2. Better Armor, Better Equipment - ODST's are wearing full-body suits similar to yours, not just some panzy-ass brown armor that weighs 80 pounds, but actual power assisted suits.
The humans have something to say about weaponry this time around. The Battle Rifle is basically the infamous n00b pistol on steroids. More ammo per clip, more accurate, longer zoom. The Sub Machine Gun is the Assault Rifle's little brother. Except this little brother is an A+ student with a 4.0 grade average. Half the size, Twice the power.

3. Warthog? More like Mountain Lion - The Warthog is packing some serious firepower this time around: The new and improved version of the Warthog Rocket Launcher. It fires faster, is WAY more accurate, and there's no pesky reload time. The ODST's will be able to drive vehicles this time around, and as long as that sweet Rocket Launcher is there, I say be my my guest!
The Rocket Launcher is an Anti-Vehicle weapon, so no more cirlcing around enemy tanks for 15 seconds peppering them with Machine Gun fire. A few hits from that baby will put those Covenant Bastards in their place.

4. Chatterbox! - ODST's will be quite chatty in Halo 2. Halo 1 had about 1,600(!) unscripted phrases that Marines would shout at one time or another. Halo 2 will have about 6 times that many! And I don't think they'll stop in the middle of a firefight, and throw their arms up in the air just to say it. =)

Anything I missed? Some features that you want in the game? Make a post!

[Edited on 6/27/2004 6:19:16 PM]

  • 06.27.2004 9:35 AM PDT
Subject: Why ODST's are Infinitely Better than Marines
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Umm, the AI for everyone is improved, including RETURNING Marines. ODST's are just the elite few who you didn't get a chance to meet in Halo: Combat Evolved. Most of the soldiers you're fighting beside will be Marines, including (as I recall) everyone in the E3 2003 demo. You might want to brush up on your history before claiming to be a genuis.

  • 06.27.2004 9:50 AM PDT
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odst do not have energy sheilding

  • 06.27.2004 9:55 AM PDT
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Great post[s], I really enjoy them. What does ODST stand for anyway?

  • 06.27.2004 4:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: RE_spartan676
Great post[s], I really enjoy them. What does ODST stand for anyway?


Orbital Drop Shock Troopers. =)

  • 06.27.2004 4:14 PM PDT
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Im pretty sure the "rocket launcher'' your talking about is a rail gun.

  • 06.27.2004 4:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartan 68
Im pretty sure the "rocket launcher'' your talking about is a rail gun.
He is saying that with the rocket launcher warhog being available, he doesn't want to drive, he wants to gun.

  • 06.27.2004 4:20 PM PDT
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Hey do u guys think that the marines will be able to drive in H2 not just on the demo level but like really drive

  • 06.27.2004 4:31 PM PDT
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Bungie has said that they will be able to drive

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I hope you're right dude. In some campaigns, I swear some marines threw grenades at walls that ended up at my feet. Then I shot one and they all killed me.

  • 06.27.2004 4:38 PM PDT
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ODST's are also known as the HELL JUMPERS.

  • 06.27.2004 4:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Covenant Ninja
The Battle Rifle is basically the infamous n00b pistol on steroids. More ammo per clip, more accurate, longer zoom.


Well, I have yet to determine how accurate the Battle Rifle is at range in three shot bursts. One of the new techniques in the sequel will be keeping opponents from "zooming" in on their targets, whether it be to disrupt accuracy, or target tracking. What good does zooming in for that extra accuracy of the single shot do for ya when you keep getting pelted with bullets? I think the BR fights could end up being long and drawn out at high noon, with an importance placed on ammo count left in the clip. Can you keep track of your ammo count in a massive battle when you're wasting one bullet here - three there? I like it!





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  • 06.27.2004 5:01 PM PDT
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Ok.. if you are into slower fire rate and accuracy choose the new Assault Rifle. Remember there is a Submachine gun for those who like it fast and furius.

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First of all - I know that ODST's do not have shielding. Second of all - I can and HAVE argued that there is no magical "Gauss Gun" , and noone won that argument. THIRD of all, I DO back up my statements with facts, and if you want to argue with me about it, FINE. And I prefer to have an accurate weapon, than a bullet hose like the SMG. Yes it DOES matter if the Battle Rifle is more accurate. Head Shots. I am a sniper. And i am glad that at least SOME people enjoy my writing style. Thank you.

  • 06.27.2004 6:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Covenant Ninja
The Battle Rifle is basically the infamous n00b pistol on steroids. More ammo per clip, more accurate, longer zoom.


Well, I have yet to determine how accurate the Battle Rifle is at range in three shot bursts. One of the new techniques in the sequel will be keeping opponents from "zooming" in on their targets, whether it be to disrupt accuracy, or target tracking. What good does zooming in for that extra accuracy of the single shot do for ya when you keep getting pelted with bullets? I think the BR fights could end up being long and drawn out at high noon, with an importance placed on ammo count left in the clip. Can you keep track of your ammo count in a massive battle when you're wasting one bullet here - three there? I like it!





Many Pistol battles are won and lost becuase one person takes time to conserve ammo, and make sure EVERY SHOT counts.

  • 06.27.2004 6:11 PM PDT
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You might want to brush up on your history before claiming to be a genuis.

Okay, let me first claim to be a genius: *AHEM* "I AM A GENIUS"

Umm, the AI for everyone is improved, including RETURNING Marines.

Was I talking about marines? No.

  • 06.27.2004 6:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Covenant Ninja
Okay, let's face it. Marines suck. The shoot you, throw grenades at walls, stop for five seconds to yell some stupid Battle Cry while getting shot at, and are basically

Why did you capitlize battel cry?

  • 06.27.2004 6:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jnice


Why did you capitlize battel cry?

Why did you misspell battle? j/k

  • 06.27.2004 6:40 PM PDT
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lmao artificial stupidity...... wish i had some so i couldnt blame it on REAL stupidity.

  • 06.27.2004 6:50 PM PDT
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I have to agree with Covenant Ninja, that yes if you make a statement ........ back it up. That's the first thing. Second I agree with Covenant Ninja that you should make every shot count. No question about that. Don't just get a big gun and start shooting .... unless your a GOOD SHOT with that big gun. Third your all missing the other fact of the game that you can have TWO WEAPONS at the same time. I don't know about you but that definantely says to me Rockin' F******' Roll Man! The downside to that is that you won't be able to throw any grenades while holding that other weapon. But oh well I still stat my previous statement. Heh. Rock on brothers Novermber can't get here soon enuff.

  • 06.27.2004 6:52 PM PDT
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hehehe keep fighting... it's funny.

naw... just stop it. You both have some valid points, but Jnice, if you're gonna flame someone for gramatical errors, be sure to spell it right. hahahaha

I hope they aren't so vulnerable to plasma weapons this time around. The marines in Halo wore balistics armor, which helps against projectile weaponry, but does sh;t against plasma. The war has been going on for over 30 years, you think the humans would get smart and take advantage of their opponents weapons.

It's a shame that the marines can't wear a dumbed down version of mjolnir armor, so that they don't kill themselves in it. Sadly, it takes too much money and too many people to make it work that way, and plus the Covenant would kill the marines and have their engineers study the shields and then the next thing you know the Covie ships would have recharging shields and you'd hear it go -beep-beep-beep-beep- after hit with a MAC round from a UNSC ship. If that was so, the humans would never be able to win.

  • 06.27.2004 6:53 PM PDT
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yep im gonna read all books

  • 06.27.2004 6:53 PM PDT
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hey ninja, great job at pointing out the stupidity of the marines. so true. and great job on pointing out the stupidity in everyone!


(not sarcasm)

  • 06.27.2004 6:53 PM PDT
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Your damn right Covie ninja they rebuilt them they had the technology, faster, stronger and more effective

  • 06.27.2004 6:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Covenant Ninja
Posted by: Tiny
Posted by: Covenant Ninja
The Battle Rifle is basically the infamous n00b pistol on steroids. More ammo per clip, more accurate, longer zoom.


Well, I have yet to determine how accurate the Battle Rifle is at range in three shot bursts. One of the new techniques in the sequel will be keeping opponents from "zooming" in on their targets, whether it be to disrupt accuracy, or target tracking. What good does zooming in for that extra accuracy of the single shot do for ya when you keep getting pelted with bullets? I think the BR fights could end up being long and drawn out at high noon, with an importance placed on ammo count left in the clip. Can you keep track of your ammo count in a massive battle when you're wasting one bullet here - three there? I like it!





Many Pistol battles are won and lost becuase one person takes time to conserve ammo, and make sure EVERY SHOT counts.


I'm not really sure I understand your reply? No one trys to conserve ammo for any greater cause in the PC or Xbox version. They just point click the mouse or pull the trigger over and over.

Anyways, you should try a PC mod that allows the pistol to shoot single shots when zoomed, and in three shot bursts un-zoomed. The accuracy of the 3 shot bursts should be set to the accuracy (or should I say innaccuracy?) of the pistol when holding down the trigger, rather than the accuracy of the pistol when pulling the trigger once every shot.

Your entire team will most likely be out of ammo before you make across the map to the enemies base in a good ol' ctf game. But what would I know.. I'm certainly no genius. : )

But I am a mother -blam!- murderer that pwns nobodies.


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