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Subject: legality of 'stealing' data from Bungie.net
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I think that is the whole reason for the RSS feed. A am doing the same thing on my personal website.

  • 03.03.2005 6:52 AM PDT
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Thanks for replying Doonie.

I'm not concerned about the RSS feed, they want us to use that & share it with friends etc so that's cool, but it's only got a bit of info about your most recent games.

It's the 'use javascript to retrieve a game stats page, do string processing on the html of that page looking for things I've identified as being near the data I want, extract the data, store it in a database' that is a bit more dodgy. Before I went public with it, I'd like to know I'm not gonna be contacted by the Microsoft legal team (all 5,0000 of them!).

I only had the quickest of looks round here before posting my question, so maybe the rules are on this site (can somoene point them out if that's the case please?).

Gonna try a lazy link to my pic here. Here goes...
Screenshot of my pre-release halo 2 stats spy
Cool it worked!

  • 03.03.2005 7:05 AM PDT
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I dont work at Bungie or anything but I guarentee they wont mind what your doing. As long as your not making any money off it and its simply for you and your friends personal use. Sounds legal to me. Try checking the terms of use page at the bottom of your browser.

  • 03.03.2005 7:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: ninjaChris
Thanks for replying Doonie.
'use javascript to retrieve a game stats page, do string processing on the html of that page looking for things I've identified as being near the data I want, extract the data, store it in a database'


Check out this news article from Frankie. This guy saves his stats. I also save my new data from the RSS into a SQL Database. It is the only way to make sure you save your stats.

Hope that helps!

  • 03.03.2005 7:17 AM PDT

SB-117

I'm not entirely sure but I think you will be allowed, so long as you don't charge anyone to use this as it is really Bungie's creation. And throw in a link to Bungie.net for good measure.

  • 03.03.2005 7:21 AM PDT
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I'm only really 'scratching a personal itch' with this 'project' cos I wanted to see the data like that. Not looking to make money, so that should mean they go easy on me. There'll be plenty of links to bungie for game viewing (I'm thinking of my page just being an alternative index) as I'm not looking to make & run a complete Halo addicts website.

That thing from Frankie linked to above looks sweet, but it's just storing & cataloguing the RSS data (albeit in a really sexy way), so it's a bit different from what I'm doing.

I'll check the T's & C's (good suggestion) but I'm beginning to think I'll be ok (I'm doing all I can not to bomb the bungie server with requests).

[Edited on 3/3/2005 7:33:20 AM]

  • 03.03.2005 7:31 AM PDT
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oh crap:

PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION

Unless otherwise specified, the Bungie Web Sites are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Bungie Web Sites.


:(

(Still not bothered about the rss stuff, that's not an issue, it's the 'scraping' of data from their html of the game stats pages that I think will get me into trouble)

[Edited on 3/3/2005 7:40:02 AM]

  • 03.03.2005 7:36 AM PDT
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Dude, they won't care about a site having the user's own game data displayed. That license is for intellectual work, your misinterperting the meaning. Besides, its free advertising for them.

  • 03.03.2005 7:41 AM PDT
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Yeah. It's not like I'm ripping off the site & passing it off as my own. There'll be lots of links & credits & no images nicked (hell I might even change the colour of the rank graph so I'm not copying that either). Its a small group of people displaying their stats in a way that isn't possible (yet) on the official site...

I'm gonna go for it (but I'll monitor here for any 'dont do that' messages, till now it's all positive support - thanks guys!). I just wanna be able to select my work buddies & see that they lost half a rank in a single game so I can rip the piss out of them.

(Displaying it like I am is interesting, this one friend of mine has been a lowest of the low level nine for his last 6 games or so. he's hanging on by a thread. one more bad result might do it & send him to being a mid 8 where he surely is right now).

  • 03.03.2005 7:48 AM PDT
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Actually, the use of single quotation marks around the word "stealing" ('stealing') absolves you from any legal liability. Believe me, it's 'true'.

  • 03.03.2005 8:02 AM PDT
Subject: legality of 'stealing' data from Bungie.net
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Hi everyone (especially those actually at Bungie who might be able to give me a definitive answer to my question),

I've been writing a HTML page to sit on my pc (intranet, for me), but there's no physical reason why it couldn't be on my website. What the page does is use the RSS XML feed to work out what games I've played recently. Because the RSS XML feed doesn't contain a massive amount of information, I've used the game id (guid) from the XML and some funky javascript to 'visit' the game page for each game in the feed. I then cut out my position in that game, data about my rank etc from that page & display a list of my games on screen with the rank graph (so that I can see my rank change from game to game). (long description so maybe http://www.rotherama.co.uk/haloStats.gif will help tell 1000 words).

So my question(s) is/are: is this allowed? is it illegal? can I put it up on my site for selected friends? should I delete it all? should I leave town, change my name & grow a beard?

(it should probably be added that unless you're logged into bungie.net in the background, my scripts don't work, and that I'm storing the games in a databas so that I only go & grab the information for games I don't already know about).

Thanks for any advice.

Chris

  • 03.03.2005 6:42 AM PDT

Well, if you really want an answer from the mods/overlord, I'd PM them. They'll be more than happy (I think) to answer "Yes, you can do whatever you want with stat info"

  • 03.03.2005 2:24 PM PDT
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Stealing data? Well look where it got the Soul...

Tristan ;-)

  • 03.03.2005 2:55 PM PDT