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Subject: Halo 2 and Havok
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Ya so Havok did a great job with physics in halo to esecialy the enviroment like the crates and various objects in the levels multi player and single player alike but what about the fixes there are undergoing in bungie. I think its great that bugie is doing the imposible once again by trying to stop "standby ing in halo" But your also getting rid of a great glitch called often called "sword snipeing" i know that many players love to do this when there messing around with glitching but in a game this never seems to pose much advantage to the team that is best at it.

Any ways i think that you sould make glitches avalible to multi player just take them out or ranked games. And cheating i think and many may agree is dumb and im glad your getting rid of it.

Anyways on behalf of millions of halo 2 fans plez dont get rid of swordsniping or atleast make it optional so that it only apears in custom games where people use the glitches most.
Hope fully you can read this message...btw i love the weekly updates and bungie studios are gods

  • 03.08.2005 12:23 PM PDT
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When are the stupid upgrades for halo 2 on x boxlive gonna come out!!!!!! im tired of waiting.
is it gonna be like halo 2 come out a year later than the actual date. oh well that story was BO-RING!!

  • 03.08.2005 1:17 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 2 the mp maps
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Posted by: shakycriminal
are the new maps gonna cost anything


no dumby. its called downloadable content... you should know that by now!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 03.08.2005 2:03 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 2 and Havok
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hey, i just realized. you posted at exactly 1:17 *ahem* (spartan 117) *ahem* *cough* *cough*

  • 03.08.2005 2:06 PM PDT
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that is ifm we have any downloadable content. i men why are we waiting so long..........WHERE THE HELL IS THE CONTENT. Im really pissed of waiting! HURRY UP BUNGIE!!!!!!!

  • 03.08.2005 3:21 PM PDT
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Havok is awesome!!!

  • 03.08.2005 6:47 PM PDT
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yeah i love havoc im in a 3d modeling class at school and use the program 3ds max 6 and 3ds max has havoc built in it makes thing so much eaiser i love it for making real world envorinment feal like they're in the real world. Havoc rules

  • 03.08.2005 7:26 PM PDT
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how bout we use that "wonderful havoc system" to make some new maps?~!

  • 03.08.2005 8:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: ImSoVarDo

If you are going to keep tweaking, I have minor suggestions for you. Release H1 with LIVE... seriouly, your next project should be H1 LIVE... not an action packed dual wield athon, which it is meant to be as Frankie admits, its supposed to be fast paced more than strategy... gee, could it be because most non skilled players are devoid of that??? Well then give us H1 online... because I don't want this game if you are going to keep tweaking and tweaking til the point that I get sick. Leave the game, gimme bonuses.


Alex Seropian is currently using the Halo 1 engine for Stubbs the Zombie. Either he took the rights to the Halo 1 engine with him when he left, or nobody left at Bunglesoft was able to recreate it.

I'm trying to picture the kaffufle that would result if Wideload studios made a live enabled Halo 1.

A Grunt

  • 03.08.2005 10:44 PM PDT
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The things that made Halo 1 way more fun than Halo 2 to me

1. The Ghost was so fun. . . you could do massive jumps and it dident stick to the ground.
2. The Warthog felt real when you drove it.
3. Duel wielding is fun and all but any newb can pick up a SMG and a Rifle and kill a hardend Vet.
4. levels seemed bigger because you dident have a boosting ghost . . . or a boosting anything.
5. Halo 1 had the big game madness to it. some times me and a 15 others would play a game of CTF on Sidewinder for 3 hours . . . the levels dont have the same goodness.
6. Halo had health . . . WTF happend to it !!! it felt so awesome to take out 3 or 4 guys and have 1 tick of health and no shield and see 2 others coming after you. it changed how you thought and what you did.
7. It seems to me theres alot more ways to cheat in Halo 2.

Im not bashing halo 2 . i have been a hard core fan since it came out. and i love playing halo 2 online but that seems to be the only plus to halo 2 . . . online and we havent gotten any downloadable stuff yet either. . .

i just think Bungie spent a little to much time on the graphics and the " physics " than the game play. . . what happend to SideW. anyways . . . that was the best lvl because it took a long time to get places and it took way more Tactics with the health and not duel wielding and stuff.

  • 03.08.2005 11:19 PM PDT
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Will you think of more things on how to, say, make a warthog go of the wraith like a jump? Also when is Halo 3 coming out? just so all the people asking me online will have an answer. Last can you figure a way to do more damage to the vehicles and make more we can drive?(ex. The Shadow and also making the pieces that broke off self-destruct or fly off in a direction if moving)

  • 03.09.2005 9:11 AM PDT
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I realize I went on a rant earlier, and by H2 elites, I usually meant the more skilled players. While that usually involves as little skills as firing the first shot, or getting a single grendade kill, my entire point was that this game needs to give us something for the hardcore gamers, and real good consistant game. Not gameplay flawed and novice to the m4x0r friendly gameplay Ey3candy. H2 graphics are superior... but just about everything turns off elite(IE experienced and talented) gamers

  • 03.09.2005 10:06 AM PDT
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Clicks man, that is dead on about halo 1 compared to 2. Another thing pertaining to Havok. They admitted to making bipeds "capsule standing on end" Well that explains why you can send a "capsule" bouncing across the level like its a bouncy ball. Havok made some really cool realistic things, but Bungie forgot one thing: Games are supposed to be fun, not some engineering software. For all the great physics things they created, they forgot to make bipeds have joints, or bounce off of things in any realistic fashion. Thats pretty important when WE are the bipeds. Halo 2 is a phenominal game, but it is not on the level of Halo 1. Fun is the ultimate goal, and if they dont nail those "30 seconds of fun" then the game is a bust.

  • 03.09.2005 10:19 AM PDT
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clockwisewhale, that was very well put.

It's supposed to be a game, not a simulation. Halo 2 definetly did NOT nail that "30 seconds of fun" the way Halo 1 did.

A Grunt

  • 03.09.2005 10:35 AM PDT

4Base Avalanch MELTDOWN
battle is only a prayer.....
.......Better Start PRAYING!!!!!!!
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Mob of Angry Peasants

So that explains the dead body twitch glitch. The corpses are still havock animated objects and not just props waiting to be faded out.

  • 03.09.2005 11:51 AM PDT
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All of these arguments about why Halo1 is better than Halo2 just sounds to me like what EVERY gaming community has gone through. Quake3 had these kind of debates when it came to implementing Quake1 and Quake2 weapons, physics, gametypes, etc.

Counter-strike has also had a lot of this argument. Physics, gameplay, weapons, movement, gameplay, etc.

Just realize that companies USUALLY don't change the game because of the "elite" group of players, because typically those are the minority of players and they want to provide the majority (lesser players) with a game to enjoy.

Halo1 was great and I wish there was a few aspects that were in Halo2 (like the gametypes.. the old assult was so much more fun).

Halo1 levels would also be greatly appriciated. Just for FFA and small team games.

If you want to make this a great game, just take what was great about halo1 that can't be ARGUED. Aka, don't change the physics, the vehicles, or gameplay physics.

DO change the fact that we DON'T have the Halo1 maps for Halo2.

DO change the fact that the new assult gametype SUCKS.

DO change the fact that it is SO easy to cheat in Halo2.

DO change Coagulation. Also, having team fiesta in team slayer is a joke.

Also, I was wondering, how do you guys think it'll go down with the PC port? If the Halo2 PC port was even halfway decent (which Halo1 pc port in my eyes, was not) do you think it will replace Xbox Halo2 at CPL ?

Also, what about a mouse versus controller.

Halo2 is BUILT for a controller, but will Halo3 be built with mice users in mind as well? The game would be DRASTICALLY changed if it were played with mice. I personally enjoy either one. Halo2 right now is great with a controller, but only because it was BUILT FOR IT. If Halo3 were to come out and there was an option for no auto aim and smooth mouse movement, I personally would switch over. The game would be MUCH more competetive.

  • 03.09.2005 1:40 PM PDT
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Bungie there is a way to put the glitch fixes onto xbox's withought using live. i called 1-800-4MY-XBOX and they changed my parent password for me withought having an internet cord. so it is possible.

  • 03.09.2005 2:08 PM PDT

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GTA420- I fully agree with you. Even today I have played with so many cheaters that have been using stand-by and then try and accuse me of using it.. Its very annoying. And I am also not a huge fan of the cheap battle rifle\plasma pistol combination. You can't beat it and it requires no skill what so ever. But thats just me.. Anyways, feel free to e-mail me or respond to this post. Ill be on Xbox Live on Halo 2 Gamertag- DUPADABAPUDGE
-James

  • 03.09.2005 3:07 PM PDT
Subject: Stand By

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I'm sorry, I can't take it anymore. Cheating idiots are killing my rankings because they suck so bad they use stand-by.. My last game at Beaver Creek we were up 32 to 12 and then they hit their standby button and came back and won. It was so freaking cheap. Is there any possible way that you (bungie) can monitor some 'suspicious' players and view a game they play and see if they are cheating or not? Because it is very un-fair to us players who play the game fair. And I don't think its right for the fair players should get their hard worked for stats screwed up by some people that suck and use a cheat to win. Or add to Xbox Live Menu or to the website a bar where you can enter a 'players' name that has been intentionally been cheating and if you get enough suggestions to their name look into it? It's just Im so sick of playing people who are like this. Well, thank you for reading this,
-James

  • 03.09.2005 6:38 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 2 and Havok

I find your lack of faith disturbing!

The physics in Halo2 just feel different from Halo CE. Who made the change really doesn't matter to me. I understand working with someone to make a better product, but somehow this doesn't feel better to me. I am sure you are trying to stay ahead of the competition and be on the cutting edge, but you guys did something special with Halo CE. As a Halo fan I can't comprehend why you would want to change it at all. One more thing and I am done. Most people play these games to escape reality. Making them to real in my opinion defeats the purpose of playing them.

  • 03.09.2005 9:55 PM PDT
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I agree with Grunt and Pitbull117, why would you use the engin from an inferior game(unreal championship)? Halo CE was years ahead of that "fast paced" havok wonder-game. I played Unreal about 2 hours before I decided to take it back and get back on XBC. Halo played so well, the emersion into the game was perfect. Why downgrade to some mutt of Halo and Havok? I don't care about exploding berrels, if they wern't there, I wouldn't even notice. I'm a Navy Combat Engineer (NMCB14) "real bodies" don't roll like that. I know. Does a half-ton rectangle roll? Oh thats right, you no longer have armor (health). You might as well run around naked with little shield generators on your knees. So you can flip a 60-ton tank with one hand but can't throw a grenade anymore? Just imagine how good this game would be with the graphics of halo2 and the phisics of halo1...just a dream. Havok, so great and wonderfull, 'nades and rockets dissapear, fuzzy cartoonish objects that look like they souldn't be there, and WOW did you notice that hubcap as your weak hog was being blown to bits when you were trying get find the sweet spot to get in as you were carring the flag trying to score 'cause red team glitched the flag to thier base last round? I think Bungie knows how bad they messed up and frankie is spin controll. I think they were trying to nab the lowest common denomenator and ignored thoose of us that were the vets of Halo CE, to make the most money possible. Forget the true fans put in Jar-Jar Binks for the kiddies!!!!

  • 03.09.2005 11:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Casby
All of these arguments about why Halo1 is better than Halo2 just sounds to me like what EVERY gaming community has gone through. Quake3 had these kind of debates when it came to implementing Quake1 and Quake2 weapons, physics, gametypes, etc.


Unreal Championship won't. It's the perfect counterpoint to Halo 2 because it's a sequel that works. When I played the demo I didn't have that "What the flying fruck have they done" reaction that Halo 2 gave me. Instead it was "aaaahhhhhhhhh, it's still the same, yet better".

NOBODY who was really into Halo 1 had that reaction. The pros all hate it, but it's their bread and butter.


Just realize that companies USUALLY don't change the game because of the "elite" group of players, because typically those are the minority of players and they want to provide the majority (lesser players) with a game to enjoy.


Halo is an exaggerated case because the elites not only made Halo 2 possible, they arguably made the Xbox possible.

Without Halo the Xbox never would have taken off like it did. The real irony is that things like MLG made Halo 2 possible, and yet Bunglesoft not only butchers the sequel to make a quick buck, but they refuse to include an MLG playlist for live.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

Oh, and in other news Shane Kim, that's right, Microsoft Games Shane Kim has just announced that Microsoft is licensing the Unreal 3X engine to build games for the Xbox 2.

Madhatter might not be the only person holding the position that Halo 2 = trainwreck.


Halo1 levels would also be greatly appriciated. Just for FFA and small team games.


And the fact that they are good maps. Three years and people still enjoy them.


DO change the fact that we DON'T have the Halo1 maps for Halo2.


The only problem is that the Halo 1 maps with the Halo 2 weapons, physics and gameplay would suck. Imagine Hang em High with a SMG start.


DO change the fact that it is SO easy to cheat in Halo2.


Easy solution. Server Browser. You need to be host to standbye. Somebody who standbyes all the time will soon have nobody joining his games.

A Grunt

  • 03.09.2005 11:47 PM PDT
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Forgive the spelling and grammer. I am so passionate, dissapointed, and mad, that spelling is not a concern. Havok does not impress me. A great game like Halo CE does.

  • 03.09.2005 11:50 PM PDT
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What the hell did you do to our game bungie you did good with halo, but WTF the grenades SUCK A** in this one the pistol is just for f@gs only now and theres NO blowing up of well... ANY THING I mean come on bungie wheres your sense of gameing kick ass here who's in charge aww... o well FIRE him AND hire a REAL GAMER becouse this is a fun game but verry -blam!- up. You got STAND BY HACKERS, REGULAR HACKERS, what the hell you should have antisipated this what rong with you?!

  • 03.10.2005 7:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: devilsknight77
What the hell did you do to our game bungie you did good with halo, but WTF the grenades SUCK A** in this one the pistol is just for f@gs only now and theres NO blowing up of well... ANY THING I mean come on bungie wheres your sense of gameing kick ass here who's in charge aww... o well FIRE him AND hire a REAL GAMER becouse this is a fun game but verry -blam!- up. You got STAND BY HACKERS, REGULAR HACKERS, what the hell you should have antisipated this what rong with you?!


You all can't be so picky about little things, I mean every game has it's ups and downs. Bungie can't stop hackers and stand-by people, although I'm sure they can 'prevent' a large majority. Sure, I'm angry because my stats are being all screwed up by losers that use stand-by, but I know they use it because they suck and they know without their precious cheat they will loose every single game they play. Halo 2 is the most well-made game iv'e ever played on ANY game system. I still stand by my suggestions about trying to lower the amount of cheaters by a system wheer bungie can monitor games, but that's just me... Anyways, I am off to play Xbox Live (Halo 2) Send me a message if you get on,
-James

  • 03.10.2005 3:15 PM PDT

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