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Subject: Discontinue Titles

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Member-Mythic Member titles should be discontinued.

The Heroic-Mythic Members titles don't represent much. The people who have these titles don't always represent positive contribution, or have an integral role in the community. They have been here for awhile, and have avoided being blacklisted.

The colored bar is no indication of whether you're a good member or not, and they don't correlate whether a user is worth listening to or not.

Achronos has a stance against the Post Count feature we use to have, Achronos doesn't like the post count because people used it as a statistic, and users would constantly compare themselves to others. Are titles any different?

Some say that titles are an incentive for good behavior. I really don't think that's true, I don't come here, post daily, and be a good community member so that I can achieve the Heroic Member title, I do it because I love this community. The people that do see titles as an incentive for good behavior, they are doing it for all the wrong reasons.

We are all just members of the bungie.net community, titles are pointless, and I hope that users don't read posts based on the posters title.

Titles are unnecessary, and again they don't represent how good of a community member you are.

Before anyone gets mad, the point of this thread is to remove Heroic-Mythic member titles. The people who have deserved custom titles such as Theme Master, and Webcam MVP, deserve to keep them.

Examples
Example One
Example Two
Example Three
How is this an accurate measure of trust? No those aren't shopped, I would post the threads but that would get my thread locked for defaming specific users.

Suggestion!- If Achronos won't get rid of member titles, he can at least place them in our Bungie.net profiles. Your title doesn't need to be shown right by your post. Also, if this is implemented then no one would judge you by your title, but by the content of your post.

Any thoughts Achronos?

~Hawk

[Edited on 08.12.2008 4:06 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 4:02 PM PDT

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I agree with you, but I usually don't look up at anybody who is a higher forum rank than I am, but by what you said "The Content of their post"

Although I do like the idea of Forum ranks...

[Edited on 08.12.2008 4:05 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 4:05 PM PDT

Posted by: Chunky_Lover
I agree with you, but I usually don't look up at anybody who is a higher forum rank than I am, but by what you said "The Content of their post"

Although I do like the idea of Forum ranks...

He's saying, "If you don't have anything that distinguishes by sight, it's going to be by what you say."

An interesting suggestion. I don't mind the titles, but it's a force of habit of mine to read any posts that have different color bars first. That's my personal fault though. However, if the member titles are just in their profile (like you suggested), then I guess people can still have something to work for, or just happen to get for being themselves.

Then again, that would turn into the same situation that signatures are in. Nearly forgotten.

[Edited on 08.12.2008 4:09 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 4:07 PM PDT

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actually achronos has said at one point that on average the member titles are a good indication of member behavior.

  • 08.12.2008 4:09 PM PDT
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Don't get me wrong, Hawk, I agree with you totaly. But I just don't think it's going to happen. I mean, it would be good if they were removed, but it's become a norm on Bungie now. It's a bit too late to remove them, in my mind. If Bungie did, people would just argue about what they "were" and how that makes them better even though they aren't that then.

Like I said, I agree with you; I just don't see Achronos doing it.

  • 08.12.2008 4:09 PM PDT

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You have a good point about that, but I still think it's better then having your title showing above your posts. Even if they are forgotten, users are heard, and acknowledged equally.(Excluding forum ninjas, and employees).

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Posted by: CostlyAxis
He's saying, "If you don't have anything that distinguishes by sight, it's going to be by what you say."

An interesting suggestion. I don't mind the titles, but it's a force of habit of mine to read any posts that have different color bars first. That's my personal fault though. However, if the member titles are just in their profile (like you suggested), then I guess people can still have something to work for, or just happen to get for being themselves.

Then again, that would turn into the same situation that signatures are in. Nearly forgotten.

  • 08.12.2008 4:18 PM PDT

I completely agree with the OP.

  • 08.12.2008 4:19 PM PDT
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Titles as a system dont need to be removed, the linear progression does. Needs to be more customisation depending on the category you fall into. It's the only way to give the titles the worth they need to work.

If nothing else, your title is directly proportional to your join date. We decided long ago that join dates being immediately visible was a bad thing, so why is having what is essentially your join date immediately visible a good thing?

[Edited on 08.12.2008 4:21 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 4:20 PM PDT
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A few examples sure. But when have I (and many other members) made myself look superior for being mythic? Infact when have I made myself look superior by being a Webcam MVP?


The fact is it is not the member titles that are the problem. In all societies people will be narsacistic. Some people will always feel superior. If it's not about Member titles, then it will be about being a General. Face it. Some people will always act superior in a equal society.

  • 08.12.2008 4:23 PM PDT

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I think I agree, the people who are looked up to in forums, without giving examples, are sometimes just members. Just because you haven't been banned doesn't mean you are "heroic". There are plenty of things you can do that won't get you banned, and are bad, and vice-versa. In addition, I think members should either, A) be allowed to choose their own titles, but not text because then even if you had "Real Talk" you couldn't impersonate because you would have normal text. B) more titles should be available for doing good things, kind of like... Recon. If you do something that a ninja/employee feels benefits the forums, and B.Net, you can have some title, although I don't know what this would be.
That's just my two cents... actually more like a quarter.

  • 08.12.2008 4:25 PM PDT

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The member title system isn't perfect, nothing is. Pointing out what a few members with elevated titles have done doesn't make the system a failure when there are hundreds of thousands of other members who might or might not act the same way. If it's painfully obvious that most Heroic-Mythic members don't deserve their title then I would be saying otherwise.

But seeing how Achronos knows everything there is to know about the system, which is a privilege we don't have, I'd say he knows if the system is doing it's job or not.

  • 08.12.2008 4:29 PM PDT

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  • 08.12.2008 4:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: permit2kill
If they bother you, CAVX has a fix.

Hiding them does not stop them existing. The titles were supposed to provide an element of worth to accounts, but they don't and they were supposed to provide an incentive to report, but they haven't. Providing them with some worth, such as changing the to the path to personalisation and making the methods of progression (i.e. reporting) more well known would go a long long way to making the system useful.

  • 08.12.2008 4:32 PM PDT
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I say just leave it. But make it so that once some ones get heroic member title you should work to maintain it. Not be good to get then go downhill.

  • 08.12.2008 4:35 PM PDT

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Yes, they don't have to be removed, but maybe the trust system factors need to be changed. Users have brought up that we have no idea on how the trust system works, but isn't it obvious that the two main factors are join date, and number of times you have been warned or blacklisted. Sure there may be other factors, but these are the main ones that for the most part determine your title.

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Posted by: elmicker
Titles as a system dont need to be removed, the linear progression does. Needs to be more customisation depending on the category you fall into. It's the only way to give the titles the worth they need to work.

If nothing else, your title is directly proportional to your join date. We decided long ago that join dates being immediately visible was a bad thing, so why is having what is essentially your join date immediately visible a good thing?

  • 08.12.2008 4:37 PM PDT
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Complaining about the existence of member titles has been more of a problem than member titles existing in the first place.
People just need education. That will stop the "why did I lose my title" threads.
Also, the examples of people posting stupid stuff and being a certain title, trust is gained from a number of sources, not just post quality.
Those people posted incorrectly and will ultimately lose trust when/if they are reported.
Reporting is the key!

  • 08.12.2008 4:46 PM PDT

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The titles stay.

Posted by: hawkeye543
Any thoughts Achronos?


[Edited on 08.12.2008 4:49 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 4:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
The titles stay.

Posted by: hawkeye543Any thoughts Achronos?

well thats that lol

  • 08.12.2008 4:49 PM PDT
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People just need education. That will stop the "why did I lose my title" threads.
Also, the examples of people posting stupid stuff and being a certain title, trust is gained from a number of sources, not just post quality.


The trust system doesn't measure post quality at all.

  • 08.12.2008 4:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: CAVX
The trust system doesn't measure post quality at all.

Yeah, it would be difficult to do that.
BUT
We can report someone who posts something stupid, which affects trust.
So indirectly it does.

  • 08.12.2008 4:51 PM PDT
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Hello.

Honestly, I liked the trust system better when the titles (Heroic Member, Legendary Member, Mythic Member) just came out. It was very hard to be a Mythic Member (one of the few I remember was Reiginko). It was pretty hard to become a Heroic Member, and back then, I was a Member. If we are going to keep the titles, then I would like it if they had the old trust system. Honestly, it is way too easy to become a Heroic Member.

There are a few Legendary and Mythic Members who don't even know why they got the title in the first place.

There might be a reason why the trust system was changed. It was changed on the Valentine's Day site update (the day I got Heroic).

  • 08.12.2008 4:52 PM PDT

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Ouch.
Any possibility of changing some factors of the trust system? It's to focused around join date, and whether you have been blacklisted or not.

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Posted by: Achronos
The titles stay.

Posted by: hawkeye543
Any thoughts Achronos?


[Edited on 08.12.2008 4:54 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 4:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: hawkeye543
Ouch.
Any possibility of changing some factors of the trust system? It's to focused around join date, and whether you have been blacklisted or not.

~Hawk
Posted by: Achronos
The titles stay.

Posted by: hawkeye543
Any thoughts Achronos?

It's starting to become some what obvious that you tried to get a title and couldn't so you tried to get rid of them period by posting this thread. That's just my theory. Just leave it the way it is.

[Edited on 08.12.2008 4:56 PM PDT]

  • 08.12.2008 4:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
The titles stay.

Posted by: hawkeye543
Any thoughts Achronos?

Why? Whats the point of having titles?

  • 08.12.2008 4:58 PM PDT