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Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Posted by: Fors Aeterna
I don't really like the way the titles work, but that's also why I want them to stay. They're occasional (and seemingly at random) fluctuations and inconsistencies have almost a puzzle-like quality.

It's kind of like playing a really simple game on a really hard difficulty level-- The game lacks the quality and detail for true degrees of hardness, so it just makes up for that in cheap, stupid little ways that end up frustrating you to a seemingly boundless extent.***

It's all part of the challenge, and it's much better than playing the whole way through on the same difficulty... that can only lead to boredom. Where's the replay value (read: fun) in that?


Obviously it isn't the most loyal analogy, but it sort of gives an idea as to some of the potentially good aspects of something as trivial as member titles.

Besides, there is no way that they are a big enough problem here so as to require their removal.... If someone is stupid enough to rely on something like these titles for an accurate description of character, they should be very good candidates for you to ignore in the first place. ...And don't pretend like you don't already put up with this kind of stuff on the internet, because the Halo 3 ranking system comes immediately to mind.

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Why are your posts always so darn epic? You need to stop making others feel inferior.
*Looks at my precious post above his*

Dammit! I agree with Reptilian Rob.

  • 08.13.2008 2:35 AM PDT
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I respect your opinion, I'm probably just going to disagree with it.

Having attempted to read as much as I can, people are saying that as a whole, many Heroic-Legendary-Mythic members do not deserve the title they have attained. This may well be true, but I feel that detracts from the fact that on average, most of the people with their title deserve it. I can think of a few examples where people of those titles have been more stupid than allowed, but not a huge number.

The trust systems seems to work off post count, number of reports, and warnings and blacklists. Time as a member appears to have an impact but I am inclined to disagree. It only does so directly; having beena member for ages means that you have had much, MUCH more time to post many clever and intelligent things, or that you have been online for so long, you have since matured and so may be considered more 'trustworthy' (for lack of a better word) than someone who has recently joined.
This recent joiner we hypothetically speak of may well be very intelligent, but are also more likely to be someone who has simply created an account to cause trouble.

The other part I'd like to address is the fact that we can't see what causes the changes. I like that. My reasons:

See Halo 3. There are levels in that, 1-50. It is plainly obvious what changes it, and people cleanly miss the point of levels. Many see it as like levels of a computer game - progressing up the way unil you get to 50 then whoop-de-doo, end of the game. But, the system is there to help you reach your true playing level and play against other people who are your level, making the gamplay experience a more interesting one. Had it been up to me, I'd have made your true level invisible, and you only get a rough indication of where you are at.

This would then be like the trust rating we have on Bungie.net. The true workings behind it are invisible to help stop people from seeing it as the type of level I mentioned before (that, however, doesn't seem to have done much - people still see it as a sort of rank. Whether this is intentional is debateable, but it works in that way) and to help stop manipulation (as Achronos has mentioned many times before). This tends to frustrate people, though, as you feel you want to progress through the 'game' but you can't see exactly how well you are doing.

Anyway, a bit of a ramble at the end there. Sincere apologies if I repeated too much of what other people have said.

Edit: Darnit, why do I feel the necessity to join these things at such a late stage all the time?! I am also not in any way trying to compete with Fors, srsly >.>

Edit No.2: Isn't this discussion kinda moot as Achronos alread gave his omnipotent opinion?

[Edited on 08.13.2008 2:44 AM PDT]

  • 08.13.2008 2:39 AM PDT

KEEP IT CLEAN!

there are some stupid people who have heroic member status, but most of the legendary, mythic, and titles beyond have something good to say and contribute well to the forums and the community. There are a lot of people also who are doing things simply to get a higher member status,and while I dont think that is bad, it may lessen the meaning of member titles

  • 08.13.2008 2:39 AM PDT

Posted by: Reiginko
ninjas don't sleep, they

OH WAIT NO THAT JOKE HAS BEEN MADE TWENTY SIX TIMES IN THIS THREAD ALREADY WOOPS

Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Posted by: Fors Aeterna
I don't really like the way the titles work, but that's also why I want them to stay. They're occasional (and seemingly at random) fluctuations and inconsistencies have almost a puzzle-like quality.

It's kind of like playing a really simple game on a really hard difficulty level-- The game lacks the quality and detail for true degrees of hardness, so it just makes up for that in cheap, stupid little ways that end up frustrating you to a seemingly boundless extent.***

It's all part of the challenge, and it's much better than playing the whole way through on the same difficulty... that can only lead to boredom. Where's the replay value (read: fun) in that?


Obviously it isn't the most loyal analogy, but it sort of gives an idea as to some of the potentially good aspects of something as trivial as member titles.

Besides, there is no way that they are a big enough problem here so as to require their removal.... If someone is stupid enough to rely on something like these titles for an accurate description of character, they should be very good candidates for you to ignore in the first place. ...And don't pretend like you don't already put up with this kind of stuff on the internet, because the Halo 3 ranking system comes immediately to mind.

_____________
*** See Galaga.

Why are your posts always so darn epic? You need to stop making others feel inferior.
ur epic

  • 08.13.2008 2:45 AM PDT

KEEP IT CLEAN!

Also, there is a way to get your post count. Just go to search and select forums - author and then type in your bungie.net name. the number of results is your post count. I had a lot more posts then I thought I did.

  • 08.13.2008 2:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Reiginko
ninjas don't sleep, they

OH WAIT NO THAT JOKE HAS BEEN MADE TWENTY SIX TIMES IN THIS THREAD ALREADY WOOPS

Posted by: Diaboy
Edit No.2: Isn't this discussion kinda moot as Achronos alread gave his omnipotent opinion?

And you wonder why he doesn't lock some of these...

: P

  • 08.13.2008 2:46 AM PDT

Yes there are a few people with titles that like to spam, and have somehow avoided the banhammer, so far. The vast majority of people do deserve what they have for a title. I say keep them around, they do more good than harm. If anything some people behave just to get a higher title, and I know thats not what the site should be about, but it does help cut down on spam. You do make good points about them but I don't think they weigh enough to make getting rid of them worth it.

  • 08.13.2008 3:56 AM PDT

Maybe I will never be
All the things that I wanna be
But now is not the time to cry
Now's the time to find out why
I think you're the same as me
We see things they'll never see
You and I are gonna live forever

I like my title and I am not losing it because of 3 people.

  • 08.13.2008 4:16 AM PDT

sHoW mE Mii OpOnnEnNT

I find it interesting which side of the arguments people take, and it seems like their titles have nothing to do with it. Which kind of proves your point, but I have seen 3 Mythics who think it would be a good idea to get rid of them, which kind of says something.

  • 08.13.2008 4:27 AM PDT

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I love the titles, it makes me behave.

  • 08.13.2008 4:29 AM PDT

‮‮Awesax

Posted by: Fors Aeterna
Posted by: Diaboy
Edit No.2: Isn't this discussion kinda moot as Achronos alread gave his omnipotent opinion?

And you wonder why he doesn't lock some of these...

: P

It's because he secretly knows that he is wrong but is too stubborn to admit and leaving these threads unlocked is his only output for all the repressed emotions that result.

  • 08.13.2008 5:37 AM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: X Rampancy X
Posted by: Fors Aeterna
Posted by: Diaboy
Edit No.2: Isn't this discussion kinda moot as Achronos alread gave his omnipotent opinion?

And you wonder why he doesn't lock some of these...

: P

It's because he secretly knows that he is wrong but is too stubborn to admit and leaving these threads unlocked is his only output for all the repressed emotions that result.
Or maybe they just forget, lol.

  • 08.13.2008 6:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pakwaii
It's starting to become some what obvious that you tried to get a title and couldn't so you tried to get rid of them period by posting this thread. That's just my theory. Just leave it the way it is.

That's the problem.

Don't make up theories about people, I find your assumptions to be incredibly ignorant.

  • 08.13.2008 6:47 AM PDT

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  • 08.13.2008 6:54 AM PDT
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I like the titles. It feels rewarding and special, at least to me.

  • 08.13.2008 6:58 AM PDT
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the titles stay that is what i say

  • 08.13.2008 6:59 AM PDT
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You think it got what it takes to be..?.


God forbid you send me one of those I was checking for cool gamers and saw you messages too, I will scream to the top of my lungs and smash this damn screen/BlackBerry to pieces! You've been warned -_-

Well, if you want to feel special why not try out CAVX's Top post. My post as well as other script subscribers looks phenomenal in this website. To bad the moderators and the administrators can not see the hawtness......or can they?

  • 08.13.2008 7:19 AM PDT
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I call shotgun - I call 9mm.

When I noticed I had become a heroic member I felt somewhat “trusted”, slightly rewarded for my activities on bungie.net. Surely this is the purpose of these titles.

  • 08.13.2008 7:46 AM PDT

Posted by: Parthath
Truth. Respect++, Intelligence+, [maxed out]

Posted by: Kamatzu
Luv. We all can has it. Togethr.

Another improvement might be to make the titles based on static criteria rather than being relative to other members. It seems like that's most of the reason for titles' quirkiness and the resulting spam.

  • 08.13.2008 7:47 AM PDT

I like the titles. It makes me want improve my posts everyday (as cliché as that sounds...).

[Edited on 08.13.2008 11:39 AM PDT]

  • 08.13.2008 11:36 AM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

1) You haven't been paying attention if you think it takes 1 year to get a title.
2) I've already explained why they aren't pointless.
3) Why in the world do you care what other people on the Internet think of you? Of what worth is their opinion? If someone is judging you based on a meaningless title or your displayed Halo 3 stats or join date or something equally stupid, then they are likely a giant moron and would have made some kind of silly judgement even if the title is there. Why should what that kind of person says matter to anyone?

Posted by: II LeGiT PrO II
What's the point of titles if we just wait one year? I have never heard of a member that's ranked in titles before a year of being on Bnet. Titles are pointless, and they're not fun when people judge you based on what your title is.

  • 08.13.2008 11:55 AM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
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"Respect for ourselves guides our morals; respect for others guides our manners."
-Laurence Sterne

This quote pretty much sums up my views.

  • 08.13.2008 12:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Parthath
Truth. Respect++, Intelligence+, [maxed out]

Posted by: Kamatzu
Luv. We all can has it. Togethr.

It's a reward I enjoy seeing, but it's fleeting and often confusing.

  • 08.13.2008 12:17 PM PDT

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

I’m continually floored by the level of over indulging seriousness in posts like this. Is it that big of a deal to have a bit of fun on a site? Seriously? I’m not flaming anyone, but holy crap everyone needs to just take a breather and let things come and go as they do. The moderators will take care of bad posts and the drunken monkey behind the wheel will sort out other infesting issues. As a member who really just enjoys good, witty conversations with others, I have to ask – Why so serious?

  • 08.13.2008 1:01 PM PDT