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If you are wondering about if Humans are related to the Forrunners then think about this, sort of hard evidence if you will…..

In Halo 1, if you go up to a panel on halo, you can control it and do what u need. Now how the hell did he learn that. In the books, it describes John having a familiarity with the Forrunners interfaces. In Both books The Fall of Reach and First Strike, it mentions numerous times where John feels like he knows the technology somewhat. For those that have read the books know what I’m talking about.

So on that other post, that’s talking about if the Forerunners exist, it has an idea that someone posted, that humans are descendants of the forerunners. I believe in that theory solely because Bungie and the writers of the books deliberately implemented hints and direct comments that support this theory. Now I’m not secluding this to just John, all humans might have it, but John is the only human that interacted with Halo controls directly, at least that we saw in Halo 1.

Comments on this will be interesting, see what you guys think.

  • 04.20.2004 3:44 PM PDT
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Thats a really good point, I haven't read all the books yet, only the flood one, which I wish I had waited to read.

  • 04.20.2004 3:48 PM PDT
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Descendants of Forerunner? Thats a little far-fetched. Heres why he is familiar with Forerunner stuff...

In Fall of Reach, you will remember that the Spartans were deployed to Cote D Azur (or w/e) to rescue the civilians and nuke the city. After the Spartans killed (almost) the two Hunters, they looked at the rock the Covenant were studying, and noticed the symbols looked like Egyptian Hieroglyphics (but not an exact match of couse). Later, it was discovered that the Covenant writing (IDK proper term for it) looked similar to the symbols and writings on the rock the Spartans recovered from Cote d Azur.

Later in The Flood, John comes across a holographic panel to form the Light Bridge on the level Halo. He sees that the markings on the panel were VERY similar to those found on the Rock and looked somewhat similar to Covenant writing. John does not understand what the markings mean, but he instinctively knows which button to push.

Finally, in First Strike, Fred comes across symbols at the bottom of Menachite Mountain. He knows that the symbols on the wall are, once again, VERY similar to the symbols on the Rock they retrieved from Cote d Azur, if not identical.

So you see, Humans are not descendants of the Forerunner. However, there are symbols of the Forerunner on Halo, Reach, AND the planet which Cote d Azur was on. So, the Forerunner were here LONG before us, and probably owned the planets that the Humans do now. However, they left long ago, leaving artifacts of their existence behind.

Does this make sense to any of you? It sure does to me...

  • 04.20.2004 3:57 PM PDT
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Excellent theory, i believe it too. I think it's just a matter of time before artifacts are found on Earth, or maybe they already have been found. It seems a little too coincidental that the forerunners left artifacts on planets which were capable of sustaining human life. And on Reach, which was almost a sure find for humans exploring space.

  • 04.20.2004 3:58 PM PDT
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What about in the Flood when the Master Chief is in the Library? Guilty Spark says that there was like a class 12 suit and that the Master Chief is only using class 2 armor, which might mean that the MJOLNIR suits made by dr.halsey or whoever were based on Forerunner technology. Or I might be wrong cuz I think that in the book it mentioned somewhere that the suits were made from Covenant technology, which was taken from the Forerunners... i'm confused.

  • 04.20.2004 4:15 PM PDT
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I like Zatechz's theory, I've never heard that before. Could be on to something! Just a question for Zero 117: Your theory is good, but how does that explain John and everybody else knowing how the panels work? We know the Forerunner were there before us, but we don't know how the Spartans just instinctively know which buttons to push and toggle.

  • 04.20.2004 4:42 PM PDT
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Your comment that the Forrunners were there LONG before us is one of the bases of my theory. We are their ancestors and we have a familiarity with their technology somewhat. And are you saying that he just knows how to work the panels and what not because he has seen the symbols before? You have to know the meaning behind the symbols to work them, just like a keyboard. If you didn’t know what “ Esc. “ meant then how would you work it? So even though he has seen the symbol, the only one to know what they mean is Cortana because she has the Covie AI translation software. And she just acquired that in FS, which is the third book, and John has been able to work the technology since Halo 1.

But it is possible that the covie’s writing is based off of Forerunner writing. Just like the English language is largely based off Latin. Which would also hint that the forerunners were a big part of the covie’s history from the beginning when the covenant was just developing their modern languages. But what isn’t explained is if their current Caste structure was in place during most of the Covie’s history, meaning that the Grunts were the lowest, then Jackels, then Hunters, then Elites, then Brutes(?) then Prophets. Or as someone else explained that maybe the prophets later conquered other worlds and adapted the Elites, grunts, Jackels, and hunters into their caste system.

  • 04.20.2004 4:44 PM PDT
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r u retarded. U must not have read the books. Because in the book it was a lucky guess. We are in no way related to the forerunner. If u read halo:the fall of reach halo: the flood and halo:first strike u would know. The covenant prophets obtained the forerunner technology ok. They used that to create the covenant. If the forerunners were human I highly doubt that technology would have gone to the covenant. Now read the books before u say some overcomplicated attemp to sound smart of a theory again.

  • 04.20.2004 4:49 PM PDT
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And now I will rip apart your statement that you so whole-heartedly think disproves mine-

In the book it was not a lucky guess, it specifically says that he somehow had a familirarity with the technology. So in fact, you have no idea what you are talking about and YOU need to read the books before you slander others.

Also, the Forerunner technology did not “Go” to the covenant, they discovered it first. After discovering the technology they made their own technology better. That is why they are so proficient at slipspace travel. Actually, the covenant are far from proficient. When cortana analyzes their technology she discovers that the way they are using it is VERY inefficient which leads us to believe that they adapted the technology and do not fully understand it themselves, which is true.

Was that ‘Overcomplicated’ for you enough? Or do you need to read it again just like you need to read the books?

Oh and remember that this is speculation, not fact, so liten up before I call you a silly little boy.


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  • 04.20.2004 4:59 PM PDT
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I enjoy all you're responses and could accept anyone having been proved by Bungie themsleves. I have one of my own: What if the Forerunners seeded Earth as well as Reach and any other planets Forerunner glyphs might apear on, kinda like in that Mission 2 Mars movie. This would mean that the human race may have decended from them (or possibly even engineered by them) and that they also have inherited something on a mental level. Wich would explain there familiarity with the holopanel.

So, what do ya think?

  • 04.20.2004 5:07 PM PDT
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That’s a great theory also. Maybe Humans aren't directly from the Forerunners biology but merely engineered.

I enjoy everyone's responses and theories but not when they are aimed to tear down and slander.

  • 04.20.2004 5:14 PM PDT
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Actually, he really didn't know the meanings of the buttons. If I remember correctly, he pushed it "because it felt right". In a way, he did it out of instinct.

Take, for example, this scenario. You're walking down the street and someone is about to walk right into you. What do you do? What does that person do? If neither of you are a--holes, you INSTINCTIVELY move out of the way. I believe that John really did not know the meanings of the buttons at first, and he pushed the button he did "because it felt right".

It's a matter of evidence and personal opinion really. I believe this is the reason. I could be wrong and I could be right. This explanation, to me, makes sense. I'm not saying other people's theories are wrong at all, but my theory just makes more sense to me.

  • 04.20.2004 5:39 PM PDT
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Awsome theorys everyone, I've been reading alot of theorys from everyone, and I agree with all of them except for the people who say that in no way we are related to the forruners. So with all of the theorys I have read I think that I am ready to make my own. expanding on the theory that the forruners, I think that the forruners did create humans and the diferent covenant species(sorry about my spelling), and if I can remeber correctly in the first book and second book they said that the ring was older then anything they've found before, so that could mean that the flood where experements to get the "species" making perfect and that the rings we will visit will have more and more evolved versons of the flood, I know that this was short but thats my two cents.

  • 04.20.2004 5:58 PM PDT
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Very good theory as well...

I do like the idea of the Flood being an early attempt at making Humans and Covenant. But if you remember from the books, the only way for a Flood combat form to be made is for an infection pod to infest itself into either a Human or a Covenant. Then they turn into combat forms, and later into a Carrier form. So, without Humans or Covenant to infest, the only Flood there would be is the Infections Pods/Spores.

If the Infection Pods/Spores are early attempts at making Humans and Covenant, the Forerunner had a LONG way to go, lol.

  • 04.20.2004 6:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Noslavras
Excellent theory, i believe it too. I think it's just a matter of time before artifacts are found on Earth, or maybe they already have been found. It seems a little too coincidental that the forerunners left artifacts on planets which were capable of sustaining human life. And on Reach, which was almost a sure find for humans exploring space.

artifacts are on earth i think so, i think that the planet is deep with forerunner things, here is my reasoning, look here, the covies didnt glass all of reach becuase there was something forerunner on it, they had to get it first, the covies dont just go and glass earth either, they send ground troups, and fight in space, so since they just dont glass earth, there must be something forerunner on there

  • 04.20.2004 6:37 PM PDT
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A possibility is that when they made the Flood, they didn’t come out right, and the early Forerunners got infected, which created the early different flood forms besides the infectious forms, i.e. combat forms. Forerunners then confined them to Halo because what place is better to put a dangerous specie than somewhere that can destroy them. If this is so, then we could find different species as we play and discover more Halo rings. Or Zero117 could be right and there will be more advanced (maybe nicer but more probably meaner) flood types and flood forms.

Another interesting thought is, more than one Guilty Spark? It makes complete sense to put another one on each halo. Say instead of finding the one we did, we found another, we would just encounter another Guilty Spark. And I believe it has been hinted that 343 Guilty Spark does play a role in Halo 2, maybe he’ll have a brother named 747 Guilty Spark who knows.

  • 04.20.2004 6:39 PM PDT
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i know this from the e3 video, and other videos, there is ground fighting and space fighting, but all of the e3 is on earth, so the covies dont glass it at first

  • 04.20.2004 6:40 PM PDT
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at one point someone describes a mission with a forerunner complex on earth and possibly all of the artifacts may fit together at some forerunner tample and possibly have some major plot effects, this might be true since the foreunner are like everywhere so they might find the homeworld and plus there could be forrunner marking on the covie homeworld thats how they know to keep the artifact on Reach and they also might already have and artifact from there world and the halos might serve for something bigger than just a laser since there are so many

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  • 04.20.2004 6:41 PM PDT
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What I fear about a Flood return is this:

Think of an Elite-Flood Combat Form (An Elite that was infected). Think of what a Brute-Flood Combat Form would be like!! A huge Combat Form that could hit you and throw you 50 feet back...oh the humanity!

  • 04.20.2004 6:42 PM PDT
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it sayed what there purpose was, to stop the flood, when the flood escapes they halos are set off and all smart life is killed

  • 04.20.2004 6:43 PM PDT
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In the first halo I wonder why the hunters weren't infected cuz that would have been awesome like the boss of all flood this enormous beast

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  • 04.20.2004 6:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: ribok126
In the first halo I wonder why the hunters weren't infected cuz that would have been awesome like the boss of all flood this enormous beast


Maybe the Infection Pods couldn't find a hole to infect it! LOL

  • 04.20.2004 6:46 PM PDT
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yes they could, they found a hole in mc armor and he has no holes, they made one, plus the hunters backs arent covered and there are gaps in the armor

  • 04.20.2004 6:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: NightAvenger
yes they could, they found a hole in mc armor and he has no holes, they made one, plus the hunters backs arent covered and there are gaps in the armor


Yeah man...I know...I was kidding.

  • 04.20.2004 6:49 PM PDT
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true there is an enromous hole in there back( good for beating) but I think I was in Keyes there was 2 hunters against a bunch of flood thewy just kept wailing their sheilds guess they couldn't get close enough

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